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PostPosted: Mon Sep 30, 2013 12:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Gmen4ev wrote:
ESKY008 wrote:
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ok. id like to no why were even mentioning Clowney or Barr at all. our offensive line is absolutly horrendous. Eli is getting creamed nearly every play and Will Beatty and our guard play was getting blown up off the snap almost every damn play. Jake Matthews anyone?????


Because guys like Eric Fisher and Luke Joeckel (Pugh as well) have had little to no impact on their respective teams. Where guys like Ezekiel Ansah and Star Lotulelei are making their presence known.

I've never been a fan of drafting offensive linemen in the top 2 rounds mainly because they seem to always have depth well into the 6th.


I'm all for Matthews. Fisher joeckel is one way to look at it. But long, Thomas is another. I think we are better off trying to do a rams/redskins deal with someone wanting a QB or Clowney. Targeting Mosely Lewan a little later


While guys like Thomas and Kalil are great players they really dont help their team like a guy like Ray Lewis/Demarcus Ware. One great lineman does not make a good line, I'd personally rather have five good late round linemen than one great linemen.

Our best best imo would be to draft the best defensive lineman/linebacker early and leaving our line to the later rounds. Where the guys may not be great, but they'll be average to good.


That sounds good in theory, but we have seen it in practise. We have a lot of second, 3rd, 4th, 5th and 6th round guys on our roster and look where that got us.


x100. you can't create a strategic plan around drafting "boom-or-bust" type players in the mid and late rounds and expect to backfill your offensive line with quality talent that way. especially when teams don't often let their talented linemen hit free agency and when they do our general manager whiffs... **coughBaascough**
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 30, 2013 12:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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x100. you can't create a strategic plan around drafting "boom-or-bust" type players in the mid and late rounds and expect to backfill your offensive line with quality talent that way. especially when teams don't often let their talented linemen hit free agency and when they do our general manager whiffs... **coughBaascough**


I'm just worried we'll keep drafting guys like Pugh, honestly I should give him more time to develop given that hes a rookie. But I can't see him developing when our line gives him no time to actually develop.

But for now I see no Thomas's/Kalil's in the draft now, but I do see a Von Miller or a JJ Watt.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 30, 2013 1:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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x100. you can't create a strategic plan around drafting "boom-or-bust" type players in the mid and late rounds and expect to backfill your offensive line with quality talent that way. especially when teams don't often let their talented linemen hit free agency and when they do our general manager whiffs... **coughBaascough**


I'm just worried we'll keep drafting guys like Pugh, honestly I should give him more time to develop given that hes a rookie. But I can't see him developing when our line gives him no time to actually develop.

But for now I see no Thomas's/Kalil's in the draft now, but I do see a Von Miller or a JJ Watt.


if this is an Anthony Barr comment, that's risky IMO versus somebody like Jake Matthews. the biggest risk in my mind isn't even about the kid himself, but rather the fact that he doesn't seem to have a position in this defense. 4-3 SLB? not so sure...
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 30, 2013 2:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think Matthews is a pretty safe bet. Clowney and Lewan worry me for some reason.
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if we have a top 5 pick it needs to be barr or clowney...there game changers
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I've been a huge fan of Barr since last year. That is what worries me though, because I am notoriously bad (to myself at least) in evaluating lbs. only thing I've ever gotten right really was loving Kuechly and not being high on teo the yer Kuechly was drafted
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dkebones wrote:
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dkebones wrote:


x100. you can't create a strategic plan around drafting "boom-or-bust" type players in the mid and late rounds and expect to backfill your offensive line with quality talent that way. especially when teams don't often let their talented linemen hit free agency and when they do our general manager whiffs... **coughBaascough**


I'm just worried we'll keep drafting guys like Pugh, honestly I should give him more time to develop given that hes a rookie. But I can't see him developing when our line gives him no time to actually develop.

But for now I see no Thomas's/Kalil's in the draft now, but I do see a Von Miller or a JJ Watt.


if this is an Anthony Barr comment, that's risky IMO versus somebody like Jake Matthews. the biggest risk in my mind isn't even about the kid himself, but rather the fact that he doesn't seem to have a position in this defense. 4-3 SLB? not so sure...

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