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PostPosted: Tue Dec 17, 2013 4:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Nonsense. For all the changes in culture and clothing and language, people want to succeed, and will follow people who are successful. Coughlin has plenty of respect. He just doesn’t have any talent.

How about the man who built this rancid roster? Maybe Jerry Reese, more than anyone, should shoulder this collapse. Coughlin coaches the players he’s given, and Reese gave them to him. To use Parcells’ culinary metaphor, someone has to buy and cook the groceries. Reese served a rotten broth, and it only adds to the rancid smell wafting from MetLife, which is officially dead.

Just don’t kill Coughlin for it.

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Reese hasnt done a bad job drafting at all, its more bad fortune.
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reckless123 wrote:
Reese hasnt done a bad job drafting at all, its more bad fortune.


yeah, not sure i'm buying that. outside of Chad Jones what's been the bad fortune exactly?
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http://mbd.scout.com/mb.aspx?s=64&f=1867&t=12056143
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 18, 2013 1:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for everything Tom but don't let the door hit you on the way out.

http://www.giants101.com/2013/12/17/new-york-giants-tom-coughlin-still-believes-in-kevin-gilbride-and-his-offensive-system/
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GmenSeattle wrote:
Thanks for everything Tom but don't let the door hit you on the way out.

http://www.giants101.com/2013/12/17/new-york-giants-tom-coughlin-still-believes-in-kevin-gilbride-and-his-offensive-system/


yep.

There are ways of being successful without having the right personnel. Its call adaptation or making the offense suitable to the personnel.

Coughlin has to go if Gilbride doesnt.
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Drafting the right people is only half of it. What do you do when your coaches refuse to develop anyone you draft, instead waiting for our old players to turn to dust and put these inexperienced guys out there with no preparation? It's setting yourself up to fail.
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 18, 2013 3:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Who has Eli been attempting to throw to on his interceptions:

RUEBEN RANDLE 8
HAKEEM NICKS 7
VICTOR CRUZ 4
LOUIS MURPHY JR. 2
DAVID WILSON 1
BRANDON MYERS 1
BRANDON JACOBS 1
DA’REL SCOTT 1

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reckless123 wrote:
http://mbd.scout.com/mb.aspx?s=64&f=1867&t=12056143


after reading it in its entirety, i'm not sure what this thread has to do with your assertion regarding "bad fortune" as you called it.
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dkebones wrote:
reckless123 wrote:
http://mbd.scout.com/mb.aspx?s=64&f=1867&t=12056143


after reading it in its entirety, i'm not sure what this thread has to do with your assertion regarding "bad fortune" as you called it.


The point is that, Jerry has not been as bad as people thought. Not every team hits on its day 3 picks.
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GmenSeattle wrote:
Thanks for everything Tom but don't let the door hit you on the way out.

http://www.giants101.com/2013/12/17/new-york-giants-tom-coughlin-still-believes-in-kevin-gilbride-and-his-offensive-system/


So depressing.

Lets hope they all get fired. We need a change and if Coughlin refuses to adapt, then sack him.
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reckless123 wrote:
dkebones wrote:
reckless123 wrote:
http://mbd.scout.com/mb.aspx?s=64&f=1867&t=12056143


after reading it in its entirety, i'm not sure what this thread has to do with your assertion regarding "bad fortune" as you called it.


The point is that, Jerry has not been as bad as people thought. Not every team hits on its day 3 picks.


??? that's not what "bad fortune" has any connotation to. Again, Chad Jones, to me, would qualify for bad fortune (for everyone involved), but i can't pick out any other guy in 6 years that falls in that category.

what you are trying to describe as bad fortune, i would actually argue is called "not being good at your job." the thread you reference doesn't do anything except show some guys opinions about good and bad draft picks since 2007. and only compares that "data" (used in the loosest sense of the word) against one other GM.

i have no problem with you making an argument that JR hasn't been as bad as some claim him to be, but honestly the way you framed it i was expecting some sort of statistical analysis. that's actually why i ended up reading the entire thread you referenced because i kept waiting for that analysis to pop up. Laughing

so to that end, i think its a great conversation re: Reese, but I think we all need a deeper discussion than black and white "this guy is good, this guy is bad" conversation.
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GiantAl wrote:
GmenSeattle wrote:
Thanks for everything Tom but don't let the door hit you on the way out.

http://www.giants101.com/2013/12/17/new-york-giants-tom-coughlin-still-believes-in-kevin-gilbride-and-his-offensive-system/


So depressing.

Lets hope they all get fired. We need a change and if Coughlin refuses to adapt, then sack him.


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dkebones wrote:
reckless123 wrote:
dkebones wrote:
reckless123 wrote:
http://mbd.scout.com/mb.aspx?s=64&f=1867&t=12056143


after reading it in its entirety, i'm not sure what this thread has to do with your assertion regarding "bad fortune" as you called it.


The point is that, Jerry has not been as bad as people thought. Not every team hits on its day 3 picks.


??? that's not what "bad fortune" has any connotation to. Again, Chad Jones, to me, would qualify for bad fortune (for everyone involved), but i can't pick out any other guy in 6 years that falls in that category.

what you are trying to describe as bad fortune, i would actually argue is called "not being good at your job." the thread you reference doesn't do anything except show some guys opinions about good and bad draft picks since 2007. and only compares that "data" (used in the loosest sense of the word) against one other GM.

i have no problem with you making an argument that JR hasn't been as bad as some claim him to be, but honestly the way you framed it i was expecting some sort of statistical analysis. that's actually why i ended up reading the entire thread you referenced because i kept waiting for that analysis to pop up. Laughing

so to that end, i think its a great conversation re: Reese, but I think we all need a deeper discussion than black and white "this guy is good, this guy is bad" conversation.


Hes hasnt had as much bad fortune as i thought but he has had other guys who have gotten banged up. Sintim, Austin, Beckum (he wasnt really good anyway but he was starting to show something prior to ACL).
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reckless123 wrote:
dkebones wrote:
reckless123 wrote:
dkebones wrote:
reckless123 wrote:
http://mbd.scout.com/mb.aspx?s=64&f=1867&t=12056143


after reading it in its entirety, i'm not sure what this thread has to do with your assertion regarding "bad fortune" as you called it.


The point is that, Jerry has not been as bad as people thought. Not every team hits on its day 3 picks.


??? that's not what "bad fortune" has any connotation to. Again, Chad Jones, to me, would qualify for bad fortune (for everyone involved), but i can't pick out any other guy in 6 years that falls in that category.

what you are trying to describe as bad fortune, i would actually argue is called "not being good at your job." the thread you reference doesn't do anything except show some guys opinions about good and bad draft picks since 2007. and only compares that "data" (used in the loosest sense of the word) against one other GM.

i have no problem with you making an argument that JR hasn't been as bad as some claim him to be, but honestly the way you framed it i was expecting some sort of statistical analysis. that's actually why i ended up reading the entire thread you referenced because i kept waiting for that analysis to pop up. Laughing

so to that end, i think its a great conversation re: Reese, but I think we all need a deeper discussion than black and white "this guy is good, this guy is bad" conversation.


Hes hasnt had as much bad fortune as i thought but he has had other guys who have gotten banged up. Sintim, Austin, Beckum (he wasnt really good anyway but he was starting to show something prior to ACL).


but to pull a point from the thread regarding scouting, you can make an argument that those picks weren't good for other reasons.

Sintim, as much I liked the guy and wanted the pick to work out, never projected to a 4-3 defense. Austin had red flags all over him, so whether the injury was the predominant reason he has busted or its just that he doesn't have the attitude or desire to play football, hard to say, but i'll argue that you better be damn sure about the guy you're picking in the second round when he has that many questions surrounding him. Beckum was equal parts not developed/utilized correctly and equal part couldn't stay healthy to instill any confidence.

to me all these things add up to either bad decisions, or trying to fit square pegs into round holes (eg, Beckum being pass-catching tight end that the offense had no idea how to utilize).
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