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PostPosted: Wed Sep 18, 2013 12:18 pm    Post subject: Duane Brown Injury Reply with quote

I know it's only turf toe, but for a LT that's big. Especially with Baltimore (Suggs and Dumervil), Seattle (Bryant, Clemons, Avril), and San Fran (Smith bros) in the upcoming 3 weeks.

I like Ryan Harris, but if he's forced into action or even a less than 100% Brown, we could be in trouble.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 18, 2013 2:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Agreed, especially with a brutal stretch but DB is a gamer and will play through it just like he did Sunday. Didn't we all mention that an injury to DB amongst the most damaging to our season? Of course, it could be worse as Denver just lost Clady for the season.

Side note - I sure hope Foster has remembered how to catch the dang ball as we HAVE to re-incorporate those swing passes and screens into the gameplan to slow down and escape the pass rush. If Foster isn't catching the ball, the gap between him and a healthy Tate narrows even further...
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 20, 2013 2:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Apollo Stallion wrote:
If Foster isn't catching the ball, the gap between him and a healthy Tate narrows even further...


I'd say the gap is not even there if Foster continues to drop the ball as he's been doing. In watching the last two games, it's clear that Foster is the better RZ runner, but Tate is the better overall runner. For anyone choosing to refute this, gimme so examples of when Foster has proven to be the better runner this season.

If we see another week of Tate just slashing through defenses and Foster slipping and sliding to three yards a pop, I'd advocate that Tate start and Foster hold his breath until we get into the 20s. The time to cater to egos making a lot of money has to be done, this team needs its best players on the field, even if it means someone will be all pouty on the sidelines.
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 20, 2013 2:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Probably a better fit here with the Tate discussion. Tate is effective because of what Foster is doing and Foster will be more effective because of what Tate is doing. You have to fill in the blanks on what hasn't happened if Tate were out there 75% of the time (fumbles, sacks, injuries). Teams are always trying to elevate players to their point of ineffectiveness instead of understanding that the smaller doses are what makes them effective. We'll see that this week as the Ravens passing game worked with Boldin as the boring old stable consistent vet, with Torrey Smith as sexy deep threat. Get rid of Boldin and all you have to do is make sure Smith doesn't get behind your safeties and the passing game won't move the chains.

I'm hoping the Texans are sitting around working on a few plays with BOTH in the backfield to unleash vs. the Seahawks and 49ers. You don't want to overuse it, as you want both fresh, but how effective would play action be THROWING when everyone is trying to figure out whether Foster or Tate is getting the carry. What better way to beat the pistol than with our Double Barrelled Shotgun (copyright Apollo Stallion 2013)!

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Three of the AFC South backups - Ben Tate, Ahmad Bradshaw and Shonn Green - could very well start for many NFL teams.

True. Another reason why the AFC South have the best RB collection as a whole. BTW, nice Watt sig.


It's funny, I view it quite differently. The way I see it, all three are ONLY effective as "change of pace" backs rather than lead backs. Shonn Green was a bruising straight ahead power back who was a beast in the 2009 postseason specifically because he only touched the ball 100 times in the regular season, opponents were gameplanning against the underrated Thomas Jones who racked up 350 touches, and he was going up against beaten down and smallish lines. In 2010 he's still effective but less so with LT taking on 275 touches and Green with 185. In 2010 they reverse roles with Green getting the 300 touches and hes just a generic runner running into a pile and getting his QB killed with poor protection skill. By 11 & 12 he's a below average runner racking up 60 yards a game on 15 token carries. Bradshaw was the same but opposite as he was effective when Jacobs was beating up linemen in the first half, then Bradshaw elusiveness could be effective, but once they started counting on him to be the lead back, he was always hurt and lost the burst that made him effective.

I know everyone thinks Tate will be some beast for someone else next year, but I think he'll just be just like all the failed Alabama backs that just don't work without the ying to their yang. Tate is perfectly cast in a change of pace role as he is a physical runner who can help wear down defenses when used early and take advantage of worn down defenses late. If you hand the ball to him 25 times a game over the course of the season, I highly doubt he'll stay healthy and he'll almost certainly lose the power and burst that makes his 10 carries actually effective. The way I see it, it makes sense for your lead back to occasionally avoid the extra hit and take the 6 yard gain and go out of bounds so he can be effective over the long haul, but it is important to have the punishing straight ahead back that is going to fight for every yard and use fresh legs to punish tacklers who would rather do an arm tackle or push a runner out of bounds.

"Committees" don't work as your lead back needs to get enough carries to develop that feel for where the holes are and take a few chances that may lead to a few carries with no gain, but also will develop that feel that helps him exploit holes for long gains. Clearly we saw the converse danger last year of overusing a single back as all those hits are going to wear down your back late in the season when theoretically the running game is most needed. Personally, I think the current Foster/Tate split works perfectly and Foster is just going to have to find his "zen" and be okay that a certain group of fans are going to point at Tate's ypc and think he's the better back. People forget how effective a very similar Derrick Ward was in Arian's breakout season, but Ward was totally ineffective when Tampa paid him a fortune to be a lead back.

I do think there are situations where switching roles may make some sense, like the Jets did with Green late in 09. The players and fans would hate it and coaches would be afraid to try it because it would be interpreted as "overlooking" an opponent, but I think an argument can made to even cycle in Cierre Wood during our soft November stretch Arizona, Oak, Jacks. I remember when Foster got benched for a half vs. Oak a few years ago, Ward killed it in the first half and Foster was fresh and on fire in the 2nd. The Texans have worn down the past two season's late, so I think they need to be proactive this year and take measures to cycle in some games where the bench players get some time. Of course, this will also require not having to win every game on the final play.

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PostPosted: Mon Sep 23, 2013 12:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

EliteTexan80 wrote:
The time to cater to egos making a lot of money has to be done, this team needs its best players on the field, even if it means someone will be all pouty on the sidelines.

Very well said!!!!!!!
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