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REDandPEWTER


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PostPosted: Sun Sep 22, 2013 4:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

A new coach would love our situation. Tampa would be an attractive landing spot with our talent. Especially if we're in position to draft bridge water.
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 22, 2013 5:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

REDandPEWTER wrote:
A new coach would love our situation. Tampa would be an attractive landing spot with our talent. Especially if we're in position to draft bridge water.
At this point, I'm not even asking for an elite talent at QB. Yeah it sucks to see that the Panthers and Falcons got to use a top 5 pick to get their franchise guy but hell I would be content with a QB caliber of a Tannehill.

I can see TB going 0-5 with the next to Arizona and Philly. Freeman gets traded mid-season we start Glennon and finish 4-12.
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 22, 2013 5:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Greg Schiano is modern day.......



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PostPosted: Sun Sep 22, 2013 5:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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This coaching staff is just not in touch with the players or the game.

The defense is just a mess. Zone almost every play, completely wasting the best man to man cover corner in the league. Stupid stunts that never work, yet we run them every play. Corners playing 15 yards off the receivers. Like, usually I give coaches the benefit of the doubt since they are professional coaches and I'm nobody, but this is so blatant that it is just alarming. Our defense is still doing alright despite all this, which is a testament to how talented they are.

The offense is atrocious, but I think that is more due to Freeman simply not being anything near an NFL caliber quarterback.


This is spot on.
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 22, 2013 5:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Today also made me realize how thin we are at WR...after Jackson and Williams we have no one. We have SOO many needs

1)QB
2)TE
3)C(Please get rid of Zuttah, he is such a bad center)
4)WR
5)DE
6)DT(we are thin here)
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 22, 2013 11:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Zimmerman from Cinci and A new quarterback, and I'm a happy man.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 23, 2013 11:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I was down in AC for my buddy's bachelor party so I completely missed the game. Looks like I picked a good one to miss.

3 weeks in and it seems like the season is already over. Unreal.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 23, 2013 1:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

What a dissapointing game. This is first time i am concerned about this team. I tought Bucs would simply be too hungry and desperate to lose this game. How wrong i was. One field goal...

This team didn't look hungry enought. That is the most concerning thing for me, not the loss.

This team needs to do some cleaning next offseason. I am not talking about Schiano or Dominik, but players. If this team in fact has given up after two games, its not coaching. Bucs players are not in position to give up on any coach.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 23, 2013 1:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

DaRealdeal wrote:
I was down in AC for my buddy's bachelor party so I completely missed the game. Looks like I picked a good one to miss.

3 weeks in and it seems like the season is already over. Unreal.


lol, sort of embarrassing but I was up all night Saturday (went to bed around 11am Sunday morning) and managed to sleep through the Bucs game. First time I've missed a Bucs game in idk, how long.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 23, 2013 1:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ramblinbuc wrote:
Zimmerman from Cinci and A new quarterback, and I'm a happy man.

PLUS 1. I am done with this staff this qb and this gm... Get me an Hell what is Todd Collins slis Todd Collins doing these days
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Bucs00 wrote:
What a dissapointing game. This is first time i am concerned about this team. I tought Bucs would simply be too hungry and desperate to lose this game. How wrong i was. One field goal...

This team didn't look hungry enought. That is the most concerning thing for me, not the loss.

This team needs to do some cleaning next offseason. I am not talking about Schiano or Dominik, but players. If this team in fact has given up after two games, its not coaching. Bucs players are not in position to give up on any coach.


The team looked plenty hungry until it became a blowout. I also think part of it was the fact that Freeman was still in at QB through the 2nd half, they knew that they weren't going to win with him under center.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 23, 2013 3:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

yeah we need to get a real coach...not these "unknowns"

Raheem-DB coach promoted to Head coach and was way too young
Shiano-College coach that still tries to run everything like its the NCAA


forget all that mess. get us an NFL coach that has been in the league and has experience. I still regret us letting Gruden go. He may have always got QB's that were way too old but at least we were a competitive team under him..
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 23, 2013 4:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

5nick5 wrote:

The team looked plenty hungry until it became a blowout. I also think part of it was the fact that Freeman was still in at QB through the 2nd half, they knew that they weren't going to win with him under center.


Fair enought. I was so pissed off during the game that i don't remember all the details.
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Calibucsfan wrote:
yeah we need to get a real coach...not these "unknowns"

Raheem-DB coach promoted to Head coach and was way too young
Shiano-College coach that still tries to run everything like its the NCAA


forget all that mess. get us an NFL coach that has been in the league and has experience. I still regret us letting Gruden go. He may have always got QB's that were way too old but at least we were a competitive team under him..

I guess you would say that college coaches David Shaw and Kevin Sumlin are also unknowns with no experience? While Sumlin has never been in the NFL his offenses could really be something in the NFL. He would be a bit of an unknown compared to Shaw who has coached in the NFL.

Shaw has coached with the Eagles, Raiders, and Ravens and been a Quality Control, QB coach and WR coach. He knows how the NFL works and is a well respected leader who developed Andrew Luck and though offensive minded, fields a great defense on a regular basis. Though it is a 3-4 I do think we have the personnel for it if he chose to implement it in Tampa. McCoy and Clayborn would be the DEs and Spence could add 10 lbs and be the NT. Watson would be the rush LB and Foster and David would be the middles with Casillas on the other side. The question for me is if he would come to the NFL after apparently re-uping his contract with Stanford last year. My gut leads me to thinking he will stay in college but with the team we have already assembled and a potential franchise QB of his choice, it might be too tempting to pass up.

Jay Gruden or Pete Carmichael are other names that are currently in the NFL but I dont know if Im sold on them. Someone wanna explain your reasoning for either of those guys to help convince me? And please say more than they are currently in the NFL.
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Lil' Shorty wrote:
Calibucsfan wrote:
yeah we need to get a real coach...not these "unknowns"

Raheem-DB coach promoted to Head coach and was way too young
Shiano-College coach that still tries to run everything like its the NCAA


forget all that mess. get us an NFL coach that has been in the league and has experience. I still regret us letting Gruden go. He may have always got QB's that were way too old but at least we were a competitive team under him..

I guess you would say that college coaches David Shaw and Kevin Sumlin are also unknowns with no experience? While Sumlin has never been in the NFL his offenses could really be something in the NFL. He would be a bit of an unknown compared to Shaw who has coached in the NFL.

Shaw has coached with the Eagles, Raiders, and Ravens and been a Quality Control, QB coach and WR coach. He knows how the NFL works and is a well respected leader who developed Andrew Luck and though offensive minded, fields a great defense on a regular basis. Though it is a 3-4 I do think we have the personnel for it if he chose to implement it in Tampa. McCoy and Clayborn would be the DEs and Spence could add 10 lbs and be the NT. Watson would be the rush LB and Foster and David would be the middles with Casillas on the other side. The question for me is if he would come to the NFL after apparently re-uping his contract with Stanford last year. My gut leads me to thinking he will stay in college but with the team we have already assembled and a potential franchise QB of his choice, it might be too tempting to pass up.

Jay Gruden or Pete Carmichael are other names that are currently in the NFL but I dont know if Im sold on them. Someone wanna explain your reasoning for either of those guys to help convince me? And please say more than they are currently in the NFL.



I like Jay Gruden so I'll lobby for his candidacy. First, Jay played the position of QB in Div I and arena league later became a very successful head coach in the Arena League. Yeah, I know the arena league, big deal right? The one good thing about the arena league I find it makes a QB have to read progressions quickly.

Later, he was on Jon's staff here in Tampa as an offensive assistant. So at least, the Glazers have somewhat a familiarity with him. However, the most important attribute I believe is that he has a proven track record of developing and implementing an offense for a rookie QB. I like Andy Dalton, but I would hardly classify him as elite. Gruden has been OC for Dalton's entire career and architect of the offense. I would assume Marvin gives him a lot of autonomy creating and implementing the offense. If there is a coaching change, I want a guy who has proven the ability to develop a young QB. Keep in mind, Dalton wasn't that highly thought of coming out of TCU because he lasted till the second round. I believe Gruden would be an excellent choice.
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