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Brian23


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PostPosted: Sun Sep 15, 2013 10:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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The only good I would list is that the Cowboys and Eagles also lost, so we're only a game out of first place.

Other that, we got completely worked in all phases of the game. I expected to lose this one, but not as badly as we did. No one played what I would call well.

One for the ugly column:
Not one but two personal fouls on Will Montgomery. How the heck does a center get two personal fouls?!
How does a longsnapper commit two penalties on the same play?


I personally thought the calls were sketchy but we only saw [inappropriate/removed] replay.


The hold was legitimate. The personal foul was admittedly sketchy.


I think the assumption was that when the dude fell and Sundburg was tripping over him, they thought he took a shot at his face? A kick or whatever?
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 15, 2013 10:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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How have Morris and Helu looked great? The issue has been them not getting going.
other than Morris' fumble, he's looked good, and Helu has, but we need to get them both the ball more.

I agree about- needing to get them the ball more.

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Also, not sure where our stretch plays and bootlegs have gone. I think that's the biggest issue. One of two things is happening, either the Shanahan's are coaching scared or Robert has made the decision that he's not gonna run anymore. They are not moving the pocket, they are not running our offense, and its killing them. Morris is a big guy, but using him as a downhill runner is killing his greatest asset.
I doubt it's Griffin. I think they aren't wanting to run it because they don't want to put him in space too much with out a blocker in front of him, but the few times they've run the zone stretch plays and bootlegs off of it, it's worked.

That gets to my game planning problems

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I just don't know which it is. Has Griffin decided he doesn't want to move or has the coaching staff decided he needs to remain in the pocket? Our OL isn't designed to be a drop back team which is the most infuriating part.
If Griffin is dictating that he won't run them, than we have a much larger problem than the Shanahan's deciding he shouldn't be running them. I really think it's the Shanahan's decision.
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 15, 2013 11:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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L Fletcher played like his age plus 5 years .. awful. just awful..What a waste of our limited cap space..
I say again too-- RG3 should not be on the field .. Might be oK by week 5 but certainly not yet.. Whimpy call by coach S to play him .


I hate this mentality. RG3 ABSOLUTELY should be on the field! He hasn't played great by any means, but he is coming back from a big injury, the only way for him to get back to normal is through game REPS. At this point it is more mental than anything/getting his timing back with his WR's. His accuracy was at times not where it should be today, but lets not forget he was playing at Lambeau field in the rain...not exactly a great environment to play in when you are trying to get your confidence/timing back.

Despite the fact that he's still overcoming the mental aspect of his injury, and had some accuracy/timing issues to start the season, he has still thrown for 649 yards (4th best in NFL) and 5 TD's (5th best in NFL) so far this season. Given the circumstances he is in with this injury, I am not worried about his play at all, and am actually impressed with what he has done this early in his comeback from the injury. People need to temper their expectations with RG3. Just because he's been in the media all offseason, and he has had all sorts of hype for the "all in for game 1" slogan, doesn't mean he is going to be back to 2012 RG3 right away...it will take time, but so far he is progressing well..

I do hope the Redskins work some more bootlegs and such just to get him moving around a little bit and throwing on the run some more in the coming weeks. I think that will help keep the DE's/OLB's honest even if RG3 doesn't take off and run instead of pass on those plays.

I'm not too worried right now. It's still early, and we played the new Eagles scheme, and the Packers...two very challenging offenses to go against, so I think our D will look a little better in the coming weeks...the Lions could also be tough this week, but I think it won't be nearly as bad as going against the Pack at Lambeau.

If the secondary doesn't improve in the coming weeks, I will start to worry, but with a couple rookies back there, and a revolving door at the other Safety spot so far, it's hard to get a real grasp for what they are capable of yet.

I have been pleasantly surprised with our WR/TE play. Garcon is an absolute beast, and should really help us out a lot if he can stay healthy. Reed has really surprised me, he looks like he could be a real threat at TE for us. The only glaring play that stuck out to me as terrible is the 4th down play to Morgan. He broke his route off early, so he didn't even get to the first down mark, and he wasn't able to catch a ball that was thrown directly at him, and tipped the ball way up in the air for an easy interception. Can't have those kinda errors in critical situations.

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-highlights/0ap2000000244320/Packers-pick-off-RG-III
(As you can see he needs to get further down the field before he makes that break, and obviously has to catch the ball in this situation)

Seemed like the O-line did better in the second half at picking up the blitz. Mike McCarthy stated at half that the Packers weren't going to slow down in the 2nd half since they saw the Redskins almost come back last week against the Eagles, and it was evident in todays game, since they Pack were still sending the blitz and playing hard on D, so I was happy to see the line play better in the 2nd half.

I think the biggest thing for this coming week is that we need to start fast on offense and get into a rhythm early in the game. Will keep our D off the field, and not have so many plays run against them, which is a big part of the problem.
BOOM! Excellent post! Very Happy Cool

Yes, RG3 has gotten a majority of his yards in garbage time, considering everything, our passing game keeps looking better.

I still think a major problem were having is not doing 4 things on offense and you mentioned 1 of them- the boot legs.

We need to have a heavy dose of zone stretch plays with Morris and Helu early in in games, and we need to run bootlegs off of that. I'd also like to see more screens run to Garçon, Moss, Robinson, Helu, and Reed with Morgan, Paulsen, Paul, Young and our athletic OL clearing to way for them. It gets the ball out of rg3's hands quick and into our playmakers hands fast, with blockers out there for them. Garçon almost broke one today- I believe...

For the defense, I expect them to do nothing but improve. Fletcher and Riley aren't good vs the pass- we know this- and have discussed it at nausea this offseason. This is where we really, really miss Keenan Robinson! Sad

Orakpo is also coming off a major injury where he missed 15 games last year, he's looked good- not great- so far this season, he's only going to improve.

The secondary should only improve. I don't expect Wilson and Hall to be quite this bad vs the Qbs not named Aaron Rodgers. Our rookies- Amerson and Rambo are only going to improve. I did see Rambo make a couple of good open field tackles this game, if he had missed one of them Cobb would have scored. Rambo led us in tackling with 8 tackles (not good to have your FS leading the team in tackles) and Amerson added 6- tied for 2nd
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 16, 2013 3:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Actually think Reed lead in tackles (not solo, but as a whole) at 9, than Rambo at 8, and Wilson and Hall following up with like 6 and 5 I think.

London had 2, and only 1 solo tackle. People are calling for Barnett on twitter but if the Coaches are afraid to do anything with Griffin, I doubt they'd have the stones to do anything like benching London or severely limiting his snaps.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 16, 2013 8:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Brian23 wrote:
Actually think Reed lead in tackles (not solo, but as a whole) at 9, than Rambo at 8, and Wilson and Hall following up with like 6 and 5 I think.
you're right. Not bad from Reed, he didn't even play the first quarter.

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London had 2, and only 1 solo tackle. People are calling for Barnett on twitter but if the Coaches are afraid to do anything with Griffin, I doubt they'd have the stones to do anything like benching London or severely limiting his snaps.
Barnett isn't better than London.

The problem with London, is the same problem we'd have with Barnett vs the Packers.

When a team throws the ball 42 times in a game, it takes your ILB our of the game as run stuffers. It's why I said we should have blitzed them more, or zone blitzed with them and drop one of the front 4/5.

How can anyone expect Fletch to have 10 tackles or more in a game when they don't run the ball at him.

It's pretty clear Fletch has lost a step and we already knew he wasn't very good in pass coverage, and nether is Barnett.

My proposal wouldn't be for Barnett to see more playing time, it'd be for Kiel to see more playing time in obvious passing situations. For what it's worth, Kiel is the best pass defending ILB we have- which we all know isn't saying much.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 16, 2013 11:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

If your time of possession at half is around 10 minutes, you can't win, unless you have a monster defense (not our case).

At halftime we were down 26-7 and 24-0.

So, what does that mean? No offense, simply.

The fact is that last year Kyle S. has won the lottery with the read option. This year he must put down a good and rich gameplan.

Several rushes by Morris have negative gain. Is it that defenses know how to stop him or is it poor execution? Or is it that without the read option our running game is far less effective?

Where are the easy, short passes? Screens, slants. We need them.

I said it before the preseason: my prediciton is we do not go beyond 8-8 this year.

It is not that we lost one more game than we expected. It is that we start playing only when the game is already lost.
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this is what I wrote on the Extremeskins board.

The Good

Kerrigan, Garson, we also saw the Butler finally get some of his swagger back. I think we can expect a solid season at least from him.

The Bad
Shoot me, ridicule me or whatever, number 10 should not be starting if the coaching staff refuses to let him use his legs. He certainly should not be starting if his speed is just ordinary right now because of the injury/knee brace. In both games Cousins would have had a better showing, at least he can run the bootleg play, even the RO a couple of times a game. RGIII for the most part goes to his first read because, he incapable read his 2nd and 3rd options, anyone watching football for a while will tell you that. Combine that his escapepability has very much been erased one has to come to a conclusion he should not be in there.

Robinson, son you want to be an NFL receiver, you got to grow up and be a man. You got to fight for the ball, you got to make the tough catches.

For my money Davis looks very ordinary, hell right now I would be starting Reed. Fred if you can't catch balls hitting you in the hands, sorry dude you are sitting and the rook takes over.

The defense is a huge mess. If I were Mike I would seriously think to give Haslett his walking papers and hire the best 4-3 defensive coach available right now. I know the 4-3 is not as good for getting turnovers but as we stand right now we have some studs in the Dline that are made for the the 4-3. Rak, Kerrigan, Cofield are made for this type of D. We were consistently in the top 10 with this alignment on Defense, we didn't give consistently 30 points a game either. Right now we are not getting better we are getting worse.

Special Teams. Let me rephrase this...What special teams? Rocca is the worse punter in the league, especially with the Eagles, he contributed us loosing that game. Thompson, please kid, watch some film and learn when to field the ball, let it bounce, and if you are afraid to take it up field sit your a-- down. Totally worthless.

Secondary, especially Merriweather. He is our best safety by a mile but if I was Mike I would be seriously thinking cutting his a-- after what he did yesterday. Hurt himself, hurt his team and hurt the reputation of our team which to me is worse than anything. I felt so bad when the Packer fans were actually applauding him standing up. Class act for a non-class guy. The rest of our secondary, what can you say. Did these guys forget how to tackle? Did these guys, leave their manhood in the locker room at the start of the game. I know we have two rookies, but man who taught these guys how to play? Another part of the blame needs to go to Morris, he was a head coach? Are you kidding me Morris? What have you done with those guys?

The "meh" the world is not falling.

I am not sure its not. This coaching staff it appears doesn't have the balls to unleash RGIII for fear he might get hurt. I get it he is the franchise QB but in such a case sit him down and start Cousins, nope no balls for that either. Haslett is lost on how to improve this D, we need a major electroshock to get things moving the right way. Honestly I say fire this dude and go back to a 4-3. Isn't Morris a 4-3 specialist? if yes make him the defensive coordinator.

The opportunity is there because lets face it the rest of the division sucks. Giants are looking terrible right now with the same record as us and their defense trying hard to mirror ours. The Eagles we all said it without a D they are not going anywhere. In fact it shows how bad they were where we came within a missed FG, safety and an extra point to tie them up. Again if Cousins starts that game we win it hands down. The boys will be the boys, they needed SIX turnovers to barely beat the Giants.
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The good news is we have 4-5 defensive players to cut when Jarvis and Jackson return after the bye. Hall is deadwood for one .
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 16, 2013 8:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

We won't go to the 4-3 mid season. Really?

Firing the defensive coordinator is going to magically make our defense better?

We don't have a SLB, we can't play the 4-3 and also we have a starring RDE who's never played in the 4-3, he'd probably be fine as a UT, but still he's been in a 3-4 D as a DE for 7 seasons and he's playing in the 3-4 in his 8th season now.

You're right about RG3, which is why I said it sucked even more he got hurt vs Seattle because he'd be rehabbing most of the offseason instead of working on reading defenses and getting to his second and third reads.

Last year he didn't check the ball down very often to his 2nd or 3rd Wrs, he would run instead.
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If we go to a 43 we lose at least 2, maybe 3, of our best players at this point.

We're not a 43 team anymore, accept it.
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If we go to a 43 we lose at least 2, maybe 3, of our best players at this point.

We're not a 43 team anymore, accept it.
which ones?

The only guy I can think of is Bowen.

Orakpo and Kerrigan can play DE

Cofield was a 4-3 DE before coming here

Perry Riley is our WLB & Kiel

Fletcher & Barnett MLB

The problem is we don't have a SLB
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If we go to a 43 we lose at least 2, maybe 3, of our best players at this point.

We're not a 43 team anymore, accept it.
which ones?

The only guy I can think of is Bowen.

Orakpo and Kerrigan can play DE

Cofield was a 4-3 DE before coming here

Perry Riley is our WLB & Kiel

Fletcher & Barnett MLB

The problem is we don't have a SLB


Bowen and Carricker have never played, or played poorly, in a 43. Those 2 ends, when they're playing, are great. Riley was also drafted becuase of his skills in a 34, I'm not so sure how he can translate to a 43. I also see him as the strongisde more than a weakside.

Also, the idea that Orakpo and Kerrigan are going to play any better in a 43 is ridiculous. Also, Cofield is playing like a beast in our 34, his chance at being better in a 43 is very unlikely. He was also a DT, not a DE in a 43.
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If we go to a 43 we lose at least 2, maybe 3, of our best players at this point.

We're not a 43 team anymore, accept it.
which ones?

The only guy I can think of is Bowen.

Orakpo and Kerrigan can play DE

Cofield was a 4-3 DE before coming here

Perry Riley is our WLB & Kiel

Fletcher & Barnett MLB

The problem is we don't have a SLB


Bowen and Carricker have never played, or played poorly, in a 43. Those 2 ends, when they're playing, are great. Riley was also drafted becuase of his skills in a 34, I'm not so sure how he can translate to a 43. I also see him as the strongisde more than a weakside.
I wasn't counting Carriker as he's been a non factor for so long now.

I agree about Bowen.

Riley played in a 4-3 in college, I think he's scheme diverse, possibly he is a better fit at SLB because he excels vs the run.

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Also, the idea that Orakpo and Kerrigan are going to play any better in a 43 is ridiculous. Also, Cofield is playing like a beast in our 34, his chance at being better in a 43 is very unlikely. He was also a DT, not a DE in a 43.
I'm not saying we should play a 4-3, just wondering which guys you thought couldn't make that transition.

Cofield is just a beast, no matter the scheme. Oops, my bad, I mistyped- I meant 4-3 DT, not DE...

Kerrigan and Orakpo are scheme diverse like Cofield, Golston, Riley, Jenkins, Baker, Jackson, Tapp, Fletcher, Barnett and Keil. they'd be the same in either scheme.
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People just say we need to go to a 43 because Rak and Kerrigan would be so much better, that's my argument on them. There's no precedent that they'll be better in a 43 at this point.

We also have no idea how guys like Jenkins or Robinson will be able to translate to a 43 in the NFL so that means 2 wasted draft picks.
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I'm gonna do the "must happen"


- we need to blitz more and press man to man.

- need to start merling

-need to sign a ss or fs ....barcarri rambo sucks and is a late round pick...kerry rhodes I would love.


- need to start burnett or kahl over london who is done.


- rg3 needs to gain confidence so I would love kirk I'm on the kirk bandwagon since last yesr and would lofe for him to start . But rg3- needs to stay he needs to learn how to be a much better pocket passer.


- this fred davis vs reed talk. ..griffin even last year couldn't connect with fred......idk if reed makes him more comfortable but if we went that direction than davis can be traded even tho I say no.


- we need to run the ball more......hankerson needs to stay as starter



- dhall is sucking again ..
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