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Pollard was signed to a one year deal in part, to help give a tougher identity to a near historically bad defense from last year. Two games in, it seems to have worked. He's not a long-term solution though. We all know that.

The hit looked clean to me and I thought he was celebrating the pass breakup (since it was a game-deciding play and all) and not necessarily celebrating hurting a player. But I guess we all see what we want to see.

Having said all that, what an amazing catch by Andre. How he can hang onto that with one guy draped all over him and another flying out of nowhere to try to knock it loose is beyond me. He does not get the props he deserves in the league because he happens to play on a team that's been wildly successful running the ball the last three years as well. Too bad because outside of Calvin, there aren't many WRs I'd rather have.
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Having said all that, what an amazing catch by Andre. How he can hang onto that with one guy draped all over him and another flying out of nowhere to try to knock it loose is beyond me. He does not get the props he deserves in the league because he happens to play on a team that's been wildly successful running the ball the last three years as well. Too bad because outside of Calvin, there aren't many WRs I'd rather have.


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Pollard was signed to a one year deal in part, to help give a tougher identity to a near historically bad defense from last year. Two games in, it seems to have worked. He's not a long-term solution though. We all know that.

The hit looked clean to me and I thought he was celebrating the pass breakup (since it was a game-deciding play and all) and not necessarily celebrating hurting a player. But I guess we all see what we want to see.

Having said all that, what an amazing catch by Andre. How he can hang onto that with one guy draped all over him and another flying out of nowhere to try to knock it loose is beyond me. He does not get the props he deserves in the league because he happens to play on a team that's been wildly successful running the ball the last three years as well. Too bad because outside of Calvin, there aren't many WRs I'd rather have.


Okay, now that you have at least acknowledged AJ's greatness, I will rescind the following component of my rant. In hindsight, I may have opened myself up to some surveillance by the NSA by threatening someone with a deadly Rascal Flatts Roll. Yep, rage got the best of me there...

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I have no interest in some watered down warm fuzzy millennial drum circle jerk version this rivalry as if someone had bravely spoken up years ago about the insidious sucking stench coming out of Nashville we may have never had to endure a band like Rascal Flatts. Come to think of it, as penance for the acts of Pollard and Cooper, I think webby ought to enable a feature that forces a max volume "Life is a Highway" pop up sounder to play each time Titanrick and his minions enter their forum as a constant reminder of the mindless mediocrity their team exudes from their arena league quality town.

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Pollard was signed to a one year deal in part, to help give a tougher identity to a near historically bad defense from last year. Two games in, it seems to have worked. He's not a long-term solution though. We all know that.

The hit looked clean to me and I thought he was celebrating the pass breakup (since it was a game-deciding play and all) and not necessarily celebrating hurting a player. But I guess we all see what we want to see.

Having said all that, what an amazing catch by Andre. How he can hang onto that with one guy draped all over him and another flying out of nowhere to try to knock it loose is beyond me. He does not get the props he deserves in the league because he happens to play on a team that's been wildly successful running the ball the last three years as well. Too bad because outside of Calvin, there aren't many WRs I'd rather have.



Don't listen to Apollo, sometimes he doesn't think straight Wink

I too think Pollards hit was clean (and Aj is by far my favorite player, look at my damn s/n) and I also think he was celebrating the ball being knocked out. Dres head hit the ground causing him to become unconscious. Not Pollard. Pollard barely hit him. Dirty player, but played clean yesterday.

Now that linemen who went after JJ was b/s and better be fined.
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Now that linemen who went after JJ was b/s and better be fined.
He will be and it will be deserved. With any luck he'll be suspended for a game so he can give up his starting job and never get it back. Laughing
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My problem was Pollard celebrating after hitting an injured player. Pollard is a clown for that. Rolling Eyes


This is my only take on it, to be honest. I didn't LIKE the hit - one thing the vids and pics don't show is Pollard raising his forearms to make contact with AJs head. Not illegal, not TOO dirty...but pretty malicious intent, if you were to ask me. But, hey...this ain't hopscotch, it's football.

What REALLY drew my ire was the dancing and showboating on the sideline when AJ was on the ground. It was clear that AJ wasn't getting back up, and does Pollard show a modicum of class? Does he try to restrain himself and his joy over injuring another player, a player who still completed the play and just set his team up for a win?

It isn't as if Pollard could look up at the biggest screen in the NFL and see that AJ did in fact come down, two feet in bounds, ball in hand. Anyone who was in the stadium watched that over and over as AJ was being tended to. In fact, one of the loudest crowd reactions of the day was Kubiak throwing the flag on that play, even louder than 20 seconds before Kubs threw the flag, when AJ got up and jogged off the field under his own power.

But, no...despite knowing the hit was for nothing, and knowing that despite the hit, AJ still finished the play, Pollard was bouncing around and dancing like he did something. That's just bush league, period. I love me some Pollard too, had a beer with the guy when he was in Houston - just a great, down to Earth guy off the field. Soft spoken, chill, funny guy. But that right there made me wish pretty ill of him.

Eventually, karma is going to catch up to him. And it ain't gonna be pretty.
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The hit looked clean to me and I thought he was celebrating the pass breakup (since it was a game-deciding play and all) and not necessarily celebrating hurting a player. But I guess we all see what we want to see.


I'm not sure. Again, you said it - we will see what we want to see. What I saw was AJ on the ground, the big screen showing two feet in bounds and ball firmly in AJs hand...and Pollard doing his little bo peep dance the whole time. They must have shown the replay of the play 20+ times in the five minutes that AJ was down, and it was clearly a catch; nobody could refute that after watching it once. Yet, there was Pollard...dancing it up with Jerry Gray, high fiving Verner the whole time.

Had he stopped at some point, I wouldn't be ranting. That's the thing - he didn't.
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Derek Newton was AWFUL in the first half. Guy can not pass protect at all.
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EliteTexan80 wrote:
Texansfan713 wrote:
My problem was Pollard celebrating after hitting an injured player. Pollard is a clown for that. Rolling Eyes


This is my only take on it, to be honest. I didn't LIKE the hit - one thing the vids and pics don't show is Pollard raising his forearms to make contact with AJs head. Not illegal, not TOO dirty...but pretty malicious intent, if you were to ask me. But, hey...this ain't hopscotch, it's football.

What REALLY drew my ire was the dancing and showboating on the sideline when AJ was on the ground. It was clear that AJ wasn't getting back up, and does Pollard show a modicum of class? Does he try to restrain himself and his joy over injuring another player, a player who still completed the play and just set his team up for a win?

It isn't as if Pollard could look up at the biggest screen in the NFL and see that AJ did in fact come down, two feet in bounds, ball in hand. Anyone who was in the stadium watched that over and over as AJ was being tended to. In fact, one of the loudest crowd reactions of the day was Kubiak throwing the flag on that play, even louder than 20 seconds before Kubs threw the flag, when AJ got up and jogged off the field under his own power.

But, no...despite knowing the hit was for nothing, and knowing that despite the hit, AJ still finished the play, Pollard was bouncing around and dancing like he did something. That's just bush league, period. I love me some Pollard too, had a beer with the guy when he was in Houston - just a great, down to Earth guy off the field. Soft spoken, chill, funny guy. But that right there made me wish pretty ill of him.

Eventually, karma is going to catch up to him. And it ain't gonna be pretty.


If that is what happened then it is illegal. Look at the rule that Apollo Posted on the previous page. A forearm to the head of a defenseless receiver is definitely a penalty.

Personally haven't seen a good angle to tell either way. At this point we'd get no benefit from it anyway so I'm not gonna waste my time trying to find one, but if you are correct then he will be fined.
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mse326 wrote:
EliteTexan80 wrote:
Texansfan713 wrote:
My problem was Pollard celebrating after hitting an injured player. Pollard is a clown for that. Rolling Eyes


This is my only take on it, to be honest. I didn't LIKE the hit - one thing the vids and pics don't show is Pollard raising his forearms to make contact with AJs head. Not illegal, not TOO dirty...but pretty malicious intent, if you were to ask me. But, hey...this ain't hopscotch, it's football.

What REALLY drew my ire was the dancing and showboating on the sideline when AJ was on the ground. It was clear that AJ wasn't getting back up, and does Pollard show a modicum of class? Does he try to restrain himself and his joy over injuring another player, a player who still completed the play and just set his team up for a win?

It isn't as if Pollard could look up at the biggest screen in the NFL and see that AJ did in fact come down, two feet in bounds, ball in hand. Anyone who was in the stadium watched that over and over as AJ was being tended to. In fact, one of the loudest crowd reactions of the day was Kubiak throwing the flag on that play, even louder than 20 seconds before Kubs threw the flag, when AJ got up and jogged off the field under his own power.

But, no...despite knowing the hit was for nothing, and knowing that despite the hit, AJ still finished the play, Pollard was bouncing around and dancing like he did something. That's just bush league, period. I love me some Pollard too, had a beer with the guy when he was in Houston - just a great, down to Earth guy off the field. Soft spoken, chill, funny guy. But that right there made me wish pretty ill of him.

Eventually, karma is going to catch up to him. And it ain't gonna be pretty.


If that is what happened then it is illegal. Look at the rule that Apollo Posted on the previous page. A forearm to the head of a defenseless receiver is definitely a penalty.

Personally haven't seen a good angle to tell either way. At this point we'd get no benefit from it anyway so I'm not gonna waste my time trying to find one, but if you are correct then he will be fined.


THANK YOU. I really wish people would actually take the time to read the dang rule before proclaiming it was a "clean hit." Specific rules outlawing this hit and the Cooper hit were BOTH passed in direct response to dangerous incidents that damage the NFL product by giving 2nd and 3rd rate players an opportunity to take players like AJ, Cushing, Watt (or Kendall Wright) out. It was a clear and obvious violation of at least two of the primary components of the rule:

1) AJ was clearly attempting to catch a pass, did not have time to protect himself, and clearly had not become a runner.
2) Pollard clearly hit AJ in the head/neck area with at minimum his shoulder and elbow/forearm.


It's not really complicated - don't nail defenseless players in the head (with anything - not just the helmet) - don't hit players in the knees when they aren't looking. In college, Pollard's hit = automatic ejection + 1/2 game suspension for "targeting" the head/neck of a defenseless player. The two plays the Titans aimed at our stars literally could be in the manual next to these rules as examples of exactly what they are trying to eliminate.

The fact that Cooper didn't succeed in ending Watt's season while Slausen did with Cushing, doesn't lesson the need for immediate swift punishment or you are just rewarding teams like the Titans for choosing to employ goons or coach dirty tactics. Given the "bountygate" exposure, I think it ought to be like baseball, where the coach is ejected and/or fined as regardless of whether Munch/Matthews ordered "the hit" on JJ, they ought to be forced to be the ones to be accountable for players who act this way. We all know Antonio Smith is prone to "losing it" and I wouldn't have a problem with Wade having to shell out a few bones for failing to harness "good Antonio" and help further eliminate those moments where Antonio takes matters into his own hands.

It is absolutely amazing that some people are trying to blame "the ground" for the concussion. I sat on jury duty for a case where a guy sucker punched another guy who was engaged in a bar fight with someone else. The head specialist explained that "the ground" is often the problem in fights because the bodies natural defenses to keeping the head from slamming into it are incapacitated by the original hit with the ground serving as a much harder and broader second punch often to the highly vulnerable rear part of the head (second only to the temple). It is practically exactly what happened here with Pollard nailing AJ in the side of the head while he was engaged with Verner. The bodies autonomic reflex system ordinarily would tense the neck muscles upon impact to prevent the ground hit (try falling on your face without your arms coming out), but the forearm to the temple disabled this system. It's also pathetic with what we know that anyone would deem there to be such a thing as a "minor" concussion aka "just a little brain damage." The NFL just settled for $765 million over past failure to protect players, I'm quite certain they are not going to let the Pollards, Meriweathers, and Goldson's be the impetus behind the next $1 billion suit.

Think about it this way Texan fans, if Pollard lays that forearm shiver on Hopkins, your #1 draft pick is likely out for the season or maybe his career with another concussion so close to his last one (see Javid Best, Ryan Swope, etc). I understand why Titans fans would support a goon like Pollard being brought in to "toughen up" their defense, but when they cross the line, there has to be consequences and sadly the only way to get a player like Pollard to learn is to start costing him game checks which will assuredly get his attention since nobody is ever willing to bring him in for anything more than a 1 or 2 year deal.
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Add Warmack to the list of Titans needing to be taught a lesson later this season. Honestly, he didn't say that much to warrant the headline, but after your no talent Center tries to take out Watt's knee and you get beat for 2 sacks, you might want to stay away from providing further bulletin board material. Watt's not just "another guy", he's the defensive MVP and if he puts up 2 sacks per week vs. chumps like you who accept getting beat a few times a game, he'll be the 2-time defensive MVP padding his resume next time you see him. Seriously, you would think a team coached by 2 of the 11 Guards in the Hall of Fame would be able to impart a bit more wisdom on the Titans interior lineman than they have presented in their tenure.

http://blog.chron.com/ultimatetexans/2013/09/is-texans-j-j-watt-just-another-guy-titans-rookie-warmack-says-yes/
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Add Warmack to the list of Titans needing to be taught a lesson later this season. Honestly, he didn't say that much to warrant the headline, but after your no talent Center tries to take out Watt's knee and you get beat for 2 sacks, you might want to stay away from providing further bulletin board material. Watt's not just "another guy", he's the defensive MVP and if he puts up 2 sacks per week vs. chumps like you who accept getting beat a few times a game, he'll be the 2-time defensive MVP padding his resume next time you see him. Seriously, you would think a team coached by 2 of the 11 Guards in the Hall of Fame would be able to impart a bit more wisdom on the Titans interior lineman than they have presented in their tenure.

http://blog.chron.com/ultimatetexans/2013/09/is-texans-j-j-watt-just-another-guy-titans-rookie-warmack-says-yes/

Oh man, the moment I saw this this morning I KNEW you'd get your panties in a bunch over it. This is too good. Laughing

All he's saying is you can't let yourself get spooked by a name, no matter how big, because at the end of the day they're both players in the NFL who have to go out and do their job. That's it. Did you expect him to fangirl around and ask for his autograph? Kiss the very ground he walks on, perhaps?

I can guarantee you that this will not be anything approaching bulletin-board material for anybody but you and your rabid hate-complex.
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Apollo Stallion wrote:
Add Warmack to the list of Titans needing to be taught a lesson later this season. Honestly, he didn't say that much to warrant the headline, but after your no talent Center tries to take out Watt's knee and you get beat for 2 sacks, you might want to stay away from providing further bulletin board material. Watt's not just "another guy", he's the defensive MVP and if he puts up 2 sacks per week vs. chumps like you who accept getting beat a few times a game, he'll be the 2-time defensive MVP padding his resume next time you see him. Seriously, you would think a team coached by 2 of the 11 Guards in the Hall of Fame would be able to impart a bit more wisdom on the Titans interior lineman than they have presented in their tenure.

http://blog.chron.com/ultimatetexans/2013/09/is-texans-j-j-watt-just-another-guy-titans-rookie-warmack-says-yes/

Oh man, the moment I saw this this morning I KNEW you'd get your panties in a bunch over it. This is too good. Laughing

All he's saying is you can't let yourself get spooked by a name, no matter how big, because at the end of the day they're both players in the NFL who have to go out and do their job. That's it. Did you expect him to fangirl around and ask for his autograph? Kiss the very ground he walks on, perhaps?

I can guarantee you that this will not be anything approaching bulletin-board material for anybody but you and your rabid hate-complex.


Good to know I now occupy head space. I agree it's pretty tame stuff, but still ill advised to even let the letters JJ cross your lips as a rookie.

FWIW - I haven't even mentioned that silly little dance Kendall, CJ, and Britt did after the TD which may have been the most embarassing thing your Titans did all day.

http://www.titansonline.com/media-center/videos/Jake-Locker-To-Kendall-Wright-For-6-yard-TD/6adf111c-ff62-4408-aad8-3c3de6c9ca03

Seriously, I think Baylor needs to rethink lifting that ban on on campus dancing after this hideous display of Urkel / Carlton quality moves from Wright. Munch and Matthews need to sit Wright down and show him some footage of Billy "White Shoes" or Ernest Givens celebrations from the Oilers days. 15 yard penalty wasn't nearly enough...
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I would have loved to see Apollo on the Chappelle's Show Skit: Playa Haters Ball.
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Pollard fined $42K
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