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PostPosted: Mon Sep 09, 2013 3:03 pm    Post subject: Week 1 - All 22 Observations Reply with quote

So, for all you fellow nerds that have bought NFL Gamepass/Rewind this year, post your viewings from the game.

Mine to follow ...
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Oh I'm going to like this. I'll review later tonight.
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Good thread! I'll contribute after the Giants game. Got a few papers to write.
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I'm really looking forward to reading these!

Thanx guys! Very Happy
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 09, 2013 4:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

1st Quarter Notes:

10.20 left in the 1st - you can see DRC is new to the scheme. He is supposed to be in the deep 3rd on the left hand side, but before the play you can see Chris Harris frantically telling him where to go. However, DRC jumps on the flat when it is already covered by Shaun Philips. Chris Harris was supposed to be in the middle of the field, but he was smart enough to see DRC was out of position and trailed Jacoby Jones to save a TD.

On the Ravens 2nd drive, we actually played a little 3-4 in our base. Sly at NT, Unrein and Jackson at DE, Irving and Philips at OLB. Sly and Jackson got pancaked on the 1st play we tried it ...

Nice swim move by Robert Ayers on that play where Flacco threw across his body. Both him and Wolfe won at the LOS to force Flacco to move right.

Tony Carter has to be braver than to play 10 yards off Torrey Smith at the 12 yard line. Assume it wasn't a scheme thing because we were playing tight across the board other than Carter.

Clady struggling with Suggs early. The latter isn't doing anything fancy - just fantastic hand usage. Hits Manning with 5.40 left in the 1st. We left Beadles 1v1 vs Ngata on that play; don't think that will happen too many times for the rest of the game.

Ronnie Hillman missed a great chance for a big run the play after. Here is a shot of him before him making a decision on where to run the ball. Where do you think he should be going? Inside, right?



Instead, Hillman goes outside and gets bottled up. Look what happened after he did that too ... Look at the hole because of the cut block by Franklin.



2.33 left in the 1st shows why Robert Ayers can't be blocked 1v1 in the run game by a move TE. He stood Dickson up, drove him back 3 yards and straight into Bernard Pierce to stop the play at the LOS. Big win for Kevin Vickerson too, who drove the Center in the backfield.

Nice instincts by Nate Irving on that attempted WR screen at the end of the 1st. Blew the play up.

What a read by Ihanacho to close out the Quarter. The Ravens run a PA tossplay to the right, and bring Jacoby Jones under the formation. Ihenacho sees Jones and sprints right to him before Flacco has even looked at Jones. We were in the perfect zone coverage for the play, so we had a man in the flat anyway, but that is some read by Ihenacho. I wonder if the Ravens saw this and attempted a fake of this later in the game.

We played a ton of single high Safety in that 1st Quarter. Rahim Moore was at least 15-20 yards off the LOS every play.
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Nice stuff lomax. TD made a career on just that play. It may take some time for Hillman to pick his hole. TD seemed to do it instinctively. Quick as Hillman is, two steps and he's through the line at top speed.

Looks like Vasquez gets to the 2nd level in a hurry.
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2nd Quarter notes:

With Ravens facing 3rd and 17 to start the quarter, we were in a 4-1-6 look with 3 Safeties (Adams the extra Safety). What was interesting was that Ihenacho was the one who came down around the LOS rather than Adams (who did this last year). Ihenacho actually lined up over a Ravens WR and jammed him, then passing him onto Carter who was behind him. This was the play where Adams made a nice play on the ball to breakup the pass to Ed Dickson. Another nice move by Ayers to split Osemele and McKinnie.

WOW - our 1st play on Offense is a run play, and 20 yards away from the action Demaryius pancakes Lardarius Webb. Man, Webb looked like a child on that play. Shame we left Julius Thomas 1v1 vs Suggs who a well blocked play for a 2 yard gain.

Manny Ramirez whiffs the play after on Ngata, who stops the run at the LOS. We used Julius Thomas as a FB out of the pistol on this play and he totally missed Daryl Smith.

12.57 left in the 2nd - We are in a 3-4 again. This time, Vickerson is at NT with Wolfe and Knighton at DE. The Ravens are in a 2 WR, 1 TE, 1 FB, 1 RB set so Ihenacho was in the box until right at the last minute where he dropped deep. Shaun Philips blows up Dickson to make a play on the zone stretch play to his side.

The Ravens are running at Philips every time he is in our base formation, and it is always on the strong side of the formation. Again, Dickson can't get Philips off the LOS but it is Vickerson who drives Michael Oher into the backfield to stop Rice for a 1 yard gain. Vickerson is having a heck of a game in run Defense. Back to a 4-3 base this time.

Interesting we used a bracket coverage on Torrey Smith with DRC over the top, and Ihenacho underneath. Well disguised too, as Ihenacho was lined up outside the DE as if he was coming on the blitz. Again, we played a 4-1-6 with Adams coming in. This time Adams was in the box, and we played single high Safety again. Really nice stunt by Philips and Wolfe with the former forcing Flacco to throw early. Some catch that, Chris Harris ...

Go here for a breakdown of our 1st touchdown. Zane Beadles got beat badly too, resulting in Manning take a hit before he got the throw off. Zane having a rough game so far.

Got away with one with 8.30 left in the 2nd. DRC got beaten quick by Torrey Smith at the LOS when we were in a Cover 1. Flacco looked the other way and the ball was incomplete, but Smith had a TD if he looked his way.

Virgil Green in for a rare snap with 8 mins left, and he gives us a QB hit.

Flacco's pocket presence has been awful in this half. He keeps scrambling when he has a pretty clean interior pocket to step into. Look no further than Ayers' sack with 5.40 left in the 2nd for proof of this.

3rd and long, and there are 4 safeties, with both Ihenacho and Adams in the box and Bruton lining up over the TE. Just before the snap, Adams drops deep to create a Cover 2 man under Defense. I mentioned all offseason how I was excited to see Jammer in this Defense, but it is clear that despite him not playing, we are going with these Defense on 3rd and long. Interestingly, Ihenacho appears to be the one playing the LB/S tweener role. He was in man coverage on Dallas Clark on this play.

I think Peyton Manning and Dallas Clark went to 'whine at the official' school together.

Kayvon Webster getting a lot of work in the Ravens 2 minute drill with Chris Harris out of the game. Lost his footing one time, but you can see his smooth hips even in limited work. DRC missed Torrey Smith when trying to jam him in Cover 2 giving him an easy 20 yard reception.

Good half of Football that. Really impressed with Vickerson, Vasquez and Franklin in the trenches. Unrein has played a LOT, clearly ahead of Sly. Not quite as impressed with DRC as everyone else. I think he is playing well, but we are doing a lot to take Smith out of the game, and DRC has been beat a couple of times by Smith.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 09, 2013 7:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

3rd Quarter Notes:

Dumervil's sack at the start of the 3rd is on both Julius and Orlando. Julius didn't take enough of an inside angle, and Orlando should have known the double team was Dumervil, not Ngata.

Beadles beat by Canty the play after. Forced the check down to Moreno.

Fair play to Manning for giving Caldwell a chance on the TD, because he hadn't separated when Manning threw it. Jimmy Smith just tried playing the ball too early, and slowed down enough for a great throw to make it to Caldwell.

Paris Lenon in at MLB early in the 3rd, with Trevathan making way. Trevathan back in the next play in our Nickel.

9.01 left in the 3rd and take a look at the beating Ngata puts on Beadles. I have no idea why we are leaving him 1v1 vs Ngata, who hits Manning after the completion to Hillman.

Loved that Ball run with 7.45 left in the 3rd. Nice pull from Beadles, and great block by Ramirez to spring a good run.

That stop on 3rd and 2 was awesome. Great win by Wolfe upfront to make the tackle, but there was a bunch of our guys who their battles. WW actually put Leach on his backside. Some feat in a 3rd and short.

Nice rugby tackle by Knowshon on the blitzing Ravens Safety ... Called for holding.

He's no worse than Tamme, but Julius isn't good enough to be blocking DE 1v1 in the run game.

Beadles beaten by Canty for a sack. Hasn't been his game.

3rd down and Manning is flanked by Virgil and Julius in the backfield. Great block by Virgil on the blitzing LB. Clady was beat by Dumervil who got under and around Ryan, forcing Manning to be flushed out of the pocket.

Mike Adams has been in on every single 3rd and 5+ situation. I love the versatility Ihenacho brings us on 3rd down. He has played LB, Deep Safety and CB so far this game. He is going to have a big year for this Defense.

Ayers has had his way with McKinnie on 3rd down. Impressed.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 10, 2013 2:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Great stuff, Lomax! Keep it coming.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 10, 2013 3:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Great Analysis!

Really appreciate it.
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Watching through parts of the game now. I've see two instances during Baltimore's 2-minute drill at the end of the first half where Rahim Moore lost his footing while reacting and trying to break on a ball.

1.) With 1:33 left, Rahim sees Dallas Clark running a delayed curl route and makes a break to the ball, but slips and falls, settling for an ankle tackle and 5 yard gain.
2.) The final play of the drive where Dallas Clark drags along the goalline from right to left with Danny Trevathan in coverage, Rahim reads the play and tries to break on the ball, but slips to his knees as Clark luckily drops the pass. If Moore stays on his feet he likely would have been in position to disrupt the catch had Clark not whiffed.

Glad to see Rahim is seeing these plays in front of him, just wish he could get some cleats that will allow him to go after the ball. The slick grass may have prevented Moore from making an impact play and kill the field goal drive before halftime.
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So guys, lomax, just a few questions.

How did Ramirez fare? Does he have the lateral movement necessary and does he recognize his responsibilities.

A not fair question. How do you think we'll do against the Giants pass rush?
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AKRNA wrote:
So guys, lomax, just a few questions.

How did Ramirez fare? Does he have the lateral movement necessary and does he recognize his responsibilities.

A not fair question. How do you think we'll do against the Giants pass rush?


AKRNA, I just rewatched the game focusing on Ramirez. Here are some notes I took:

hibdib31 wrote:
Good Play

(1; 11:58] Engages Ngata off the snap along with Vasquez. Moves to second level, engages ILB#51 and drives him 5+ yards allowing Moreno to gain 7 yards.
(1; 6:46) Engages Ngata off the snap and drives him along the line of scrimmage creating a cut-back lane for Moreno.
(1; 3:51) Ramirez one-on-one with Canty in pass-pro. Totally neutralized Canty's rush with a little help from Beadles.
(2; 13:35) Adjusts protection for Peyton. Engages DT#97 and neutralizes pass rush with no push on the pocket.
(2; 6:03) Doubles DT#97 with Beadles and breaks off to engages ILB#56 who comes up on the PA, then reengages DT#97 as ILB#56 drops back. Good recognition.
(2; 5:57) Picks up DT#96 as he swims inside on Vasquez who drops to double Dumervil. Keeps DT#96 at the LOS for no push allowing Peyton to stay in the pocket.
(3; 13:09) Pushes Cody out down LOS and engages crashing ILB#51 giving Hillman times to cut back and gain 7 yards.
(3; 8:58] After double with Vasquez, neutralizes DT#96 pass rush moves allowing no pressure. (Beadles needed help on Ngata badly)
(3; 8:30) Ramirez recognizes a stunting Suggs and pushes him by Peyton while he completes a quick pass.
(3; 7:45) Pushes Canty out of the play creating a hole for a pulling Beadles to lead the way on a 9-yard ball run.
(3; 7:13) Pushes Cody into ground as Vasquez pulls behind to lead the way on Ball run to the left.
(3; 1:11) Good job one-on-one against Ngata is pass-pro (looked tired)
(4; 14:00) Engages and turns Cody out of play allowing Beadles to pull behind an lead Moreno to 7-yard run up the middle.
(4; 10:28] Engages double on Ngata with Bealdes and gets to ILB#56 at next level on run play.
(4; 4:42) Picks up blitzing ILB#59 who has a running head start.

Bad Play

(1; 13:05) Defense shifts leaving no direct blocking assignment. Moves to second level, but is indecisive and doesn't block either ILB allowing the tackle for a short gain.
(1; 5:05) Ngata shifts over to Ramirez's left shoulder. At the snap Ngata moves along the line with the run, standing Ramirez up with his left hand keeping his right arm free to make the tackle on Hillman.
(2; 14:16) Has to make a reach block on Ngata and is easily swam, surrendering a tackle for loss.
(3; 4:02) Beadles beaten badly by Canty swim move, Ramirez availble to help, but doesn't engage anyone as Canty runs down Peyton for a sack.
(4; 9:46) Reach block on DT#96 who gets a good punch and swims Ramirez to inside. Luckily it was a strech run to the right and Ball had cleared the LOS for a 7-yard run.
(4; 9:02) Lost at the LOS against DT#96 on 3rd-and-1 opening no hole.
(4; 5:29) Didn't disengage DT#96 on double team, allowing ILB#56 to knife past Ramirez to stop run for short gain.


Notes:
Q1
Pass plays, Ramirez seems to double team with Vasquez frequently leaving Beadles one on one (Ngata beats Beadles a couple times)
Baltimore not blitzing up the middle. Mainly facing DT's in pass-pro.
Q2
1st drive of 2Q, Ngata gets a rest and Ramirez is having no troulbe in pass protection.
Should begin helping Beadles instead of Vasquez. Beadles gone worked by Canty on first TD pass, Peyton smacked by Canty.
Doubles Canty with Beadles and Vasquez does better job on Ngata, though he still gets a push with pass rush.
Q3
Baltimore mainly rushing with front 4 only, trying to play coverage against Peyton. Ramirez mainly doubling DTs with either Guard.
Baltimore finally brings a blitz and is beaten with a quick throw to Welker for a short TD.
Double A-gap blitz with LB and S on goalline fade to Decker (drop), Ramirez and Beadles shift and pinch LB and S into unblocked Cody for Peyton to get the pass out quick.


Overall, I would say Ramirez did a good job. He recognized his responsibilities and only made wrong decisions a couple times. Baltimore mostly rolled out a nickle defense with 2 defensive tackles and kept the linebackers in coverage, rarely sending blitzes up the middle. This allowed Ramirez to engage is frequent double teams with one of the guards. Sometimes he chose the wrong double, but most of the time there was zero pressure up the middle in Peyton's face. This attributed to Peyton's historic performance by allowing Peyton to stand tall and dissect the defense.
In the run game, Ramirez was effective, especially when reach blocking to allow a guard to pull in behind and lead block. However, in obvious running-situations (i.e. 4th quarter drives) the Ravens shut down any interior runs.

As for the Giants, I will watch their game tomorrow and see how their interior defensive line played and what scheme differences they might employ to pressure Peyton in the middle.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 11, 2013 2:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Absolutely great stuff hibdib! I appreciate it. ALOT!

Sounds like he's still got some recognition problems, but if last year was any indication he'll improve rapidly.

Thanks again!
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 11, 2013 3:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fantastic stuff hibdib31!

hibdib31 wrote:
Glad to see Rahim is seeing these plays in front of him, just wish he could get some cleats that will allow him to go after the ball. The slick grass may have prevented Moore from making an impact play and kill the field goal drive before halftime.


We played a lot of single high Safety in the 1st half, so I am pretty sure Rahim was told to keep everything in front of him at all costs. He was playing 15-20 yards off the LOS and still get straight into his backpedal at the snap.

AKRNA wrote:
So guys, lomax, just a few questions.

How did Ramirez fare? Does he have the lateral movement necessary and does he recognize his responsibilities.

A not fair question. How do you think we'll do against the Giants pass rush?


It seems your question has been answered a lot more thoroughly, but I think he played well. Like you say, his lack of lateral agility hurts him in space 1v1, but how often do you find yourself in that situation as a Center? Ramirez is very strong; probably as strong as any Center in the league, and I think his Football IQ is underrated.

He is a safe bet for a couple of bad plays a game, but we could do a hell of a lot worse than Ramirez at Center (he had one REALLY bad snap in Shotgun).

Vasquez is a STUD by the way.
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