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PostPosted: Mon Sep 09, 2013 4:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Shane Vereen will miss "at least four weeks," a source tells @kguregian.


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So, there goes 1/3 of the viable receiving options with one player.

What's left?

Amendola - Looked fantastic. Maybe even better than Welker. Let's hope his "groin" is ok.

Edelman - Played well for the most part... He knows the system and is the only veteran receiver out there.

Thompkins - Looked more raw than a living cow. Not on the same page as Brady. Brady no like!

Boyce, Dobson, and Slater - All of these guys are apparently worse options right now than Thompkins, which is very scary...

So next week versus the Jets, they're going to wheel out Amendola, Edelman, Thompkins, Slater, and [Boyce/Dobson].

Is this supposed to strike fear?

Imagine facing the Ravens last year with this receiving corp. Imagine facing any half-way decent secondary that's not missing its best two players. Just play tight coverage on Amendola and Edelman and eliminate the short routes. BAM! You've shut down the passing game. Brady will throw to a clueless Thompkins for an incompletion/INT.

Couple these facts with Ridley turning the ball over a few times a game because there's no one else, and you got one of the worst offenses in Patriot history.

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Will Blount be the #2 back or Bolden?
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 09, 2013 6:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Will Blount be the #2 back or Bolden?


Blount. Bolden is hurt, apparently, so unless he gets better this week.
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Couple these facts with Ridley turning the ball over a few times a game because there's no one else, and you got one of the worst offenses in Patriot history.


Yes. One of the worst offenses in franchise history.

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mcmurtry86 wrote:
Dalton wrote:


Couple these facts with Ridley turning the ball over a few times a game because there's no one else, and you got one of the worst offenses in Patriot history.


Yes. One of the worst offenses in franchise history.

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That still gained 431 yards on offense. Also love how KT had one bad game and everyone's ready to write him off.
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Thompkins was targeted 14 times.
Only 4 catches, but Brady clearly sees something in him and is likely to continue to throw in his direction.
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Where's McMurtry citing early Kevin Faulk?

Ridley's first fumble wasn't inexcusable. He got caught in an awkward position with a huge hit. The second one was awful, but flukey.

I get that he's had fumbling issues for awhile, but for anyone to suggest he isn't a large part of any gameplan, regardless of Vereen or not, is silly. He's going to get touches andchances.


Vereen is more valuable as a RB than Ridley is vs the Jets.
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Tzimisce wrote:
Thompkins was targeted 14 times.
Only 4 catches, but Brady clearly sees something in him and is likely to continue to throw in his direction.
It's the same thing we saw with Lloyd. It seems that the "throw the ball to a covered WR where only he can make a play on it" has become a staple of the offense. I don't understand why on 3rd and 10 last year, they were so willing to throw it at Lloyd and hope he made an acrobatic catch, considering how rarely he did.
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Sciz wrote:
Tzimisce wrote:
Thompkins was targeted 14 times.
Only 4 catches, but Brady clearly sees something in him and is likely to continue to throw in his direction.
It's the same thing we saw with Lloyd. It seems that the "throw the ball to a covered WR where only he can make a play on it" has become a staple of the offense. I don't understand why on 3rd and 10 last year, they were so willing to throw it at Lloyd and hope he made an acrobatic catch, considering how rarely he did.
Timing issues like they had with Thompkins can be ironed out. He's got all the tools to be an asset to this offense. It wasn't as if he was running the wrong routes. Just didn't quite have a handle on the little things a WR needs to be able to do.
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Troy Brown wrote:
Where's McMurtry citing early Kevin Faulk?


Faulk is an interesting case. The (few) posters around here who actually saw his early career might remember him as a fumble prone player but I don't know that that was really the case. His worst season (2000), he had 6 fumbles on 259 carries. He was "cured" of his fumbles in the Belichick era (supposedly) but put the ball on the ground 3 times in just 84 touches in 2005. Conversely, he only fumbled once in 2002 (123 touches).

I think his 2003 season is probably indicative of his "true" self - he fumbled 4 times on 241 touches (once every 60.25 carries). That's pretty much in line with his career average (once every 63.08 touches).

He was a small (albeit compact) guy who played a lot of his snaps in the northeast. When he was being used as a more regular runner (and getting hit by more LB's and big DL than he did as a 3rd down specialist type later on), he fumbled a bit more. I don't know that he ever really changed or "cured" himself (in the way Tiki Barber seemed to). He had one fluky bad year and a couple -at the very end of his career - that were maybe a bit fluky low (2 total fumbles in 2007-2009).

Taking him off of being a full time kick returner also helped. I don't have the stats but IIRC a couple of those fumbles in 2000 were on kickoff returns.

The thing is, as it pertains to Ridley, fumbles are a part of the game. We saw Green-Ellis fumble 3 times last year with the Bengals after never fumbling with the Pats. It's a fluky stat and reading too much into a guy's numbers over one or two seasons isn't really a great way of predicting future outcomes. Corey Dillon fumbled 5 times (360 touches) in his brilliant 2004 campaign but nobody would have suggested benching him or that he was "fumble prone." That's why it made sense to stick with Ridley after his first fumble. A guy who carries the ball 250 times a year is going to fumble a few. But that 2nd fumble was so egregiously bad and sloppy that he deserved to be benched.

People bash Ridley because his fumbles have come at really bad times but I wouldn't call him fumble-prone (yet). He does get sloppy with his handling at times though and I think that's a very valid concern. Along with his uselessness (relatively) in the pass game, I think there's a lot of justification for the reduction of his workload. But suggesting he's such a bad fumbler that he needs to be completely benched or buried behind Blount (9 fumbles in just 456 career touches) is a bit much.
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Sciz wrote:
Tzimisce wrote:
Thompkins was targeted 14 times.
Only 4 catches, but Brady clearly sees something in him and is likely to continue to throw in his direction.
It's the same thing we saw with Lloyd. It seems that the "throw the ball to a covered WR where only he can make a play on it" has become a staple of the offense. I don't understand why on 3rd and 10 last year, they were so willing to throw it at Lloyd and hope he made an acrobatic catch, considering how rarely he did.


A lot of this missed connections were good plays by BUF and a few bad decisions/throws by Brady. Brady had no where to go a few times and just threw it towards Thompkins, there were a few bad throws to him, and there were a couple of screens to Thompkins where he had a man on top of him by the time the ball got to him. There was also one screen to Thompkins that was thrown into the ground
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rabbisson wrote:
Washington can do the role pretty similarly, I think. The gameplan shouldn't be very different.

Washington becomes a fantasy sleeper now, though.


You dealing Washington PED's on the side? Because the guy I saw in camp looked about as explosive as 2010 Kevin Faulk. Throw in his injury and I'd be very skeptical of Washington's ability to produce much. He might fill the literal hole in the lineup and run some of the same routes, but based on his pre-season performance, I really don't think we can expect him to provide much big play ability.
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Dalton wrote:
So, there goes 1/3 of the viable receiving options with one player.

What's left?

Amendola - Looked fantastic. Maybe even better than Welker. Let's hope his "groin" is ok.

Edelman - Played well for the most part... He knows the system and is the only veteran receiver out there.

Thompkins - Looked more raw than a living cow. Not on the same page as Brady. Brady no like!

Boyce, Dobson, and Slater - All of these guys are apparently worse options right now than Thompkins, which is very scary...

So next week versus the Jets, they're going to wheel out Amendola, Edelman, Thompkins, Slater, and [Boyce/Dobson].

Is this supposed to strike fear?

Imagine facing the Ravens last year with this receiving corp. Imagine facing any half-way decent secondary that's not missing its best two players. Just play tight coverage on Amendola and Edelman and eliminate the short routes. BAM! You've shut down the passing game. Brady will throw to a clueless Thompkins for an incompletion/INT.

Couple these facts with Ridley turning the ball over a few times a game because there's no one else, and you got one of the worst offenses in Patriot history.

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You're right, we should just forfeit to the Jets because we're gonna lose anyways and might as well not risk injuring anyone else.
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