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Who should start next week?
Weeden
78%
 78%  [ 26 ]
Campbell
12%
 12%  [ 4 ]
Hornby (since no poll is complete with out him)
9%
 9%  [ 3 ]
Total Votes : 33

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PostPosted: Sun Sep 08, 2013 8:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Dropkick_pride wrote:
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bruceb wrote:
Entropy wrote:
bruceb wrote:
roger murdock wrote:
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His third interception was 100% his fault.


It hit Cameron in the hands. How is that 100% on Weeden? It wasn't perfect placement, but it was catchable.


Way high, way way way behind, fast. The only way Cameron catches that is if he breaks his route completely to compensate for his horrible throw. Cameron flailing his arm and barely tipping the ball with his back arm doesnt count as hitting a receiver in the hands in my book. Cameron has a ridiclous catch radius and Weeden found a spot outside of it.


Agree. Uncatchable ball.


Disagree, easily catchable --as was evidenced several times in several games today alone.


Not. You never played WR and/or do not understand simple physics. Your apologist for Weeden role is becoming annoying.


Not quite "uncatachable" But definitely NOT "easily catchable" either.

It was a poorly thrown ball. I don't see how anyone can debate that.


Poorly thrown balls are not caught routinely in most games.

That is what I'm basing my opinion on. On what are you basing your opinion that a ball that hits a receiver in the hands is poorly thrown?


Basing my opinion what actually happened. The ball has too hot, high, and behind. Everyone saw this, I don't know how you can could not have.

Was it "catchable"? Sure, it's Possible. But that does not mean it was a good thrown ball, nor does it make "easily catchable" as you previously stated.


Everyone knows that balls like that are caught by NFL receivers rather often. You said that they're not. I asked you why you said that.

You said that they are 'too hot, high, and behind'...yet I said that similar balls are still caught rather often by NFL receivers.

Everyone knows this, I don't know how you could not have.


Where did I say balls throw high and behind were not catchable?


when you used the word 'too'


Wrong.

I said that is was a poor pass based on it being that it was too hot, high, and behind the arget.

I did not say it was "uncatachable." Rather I specifically said it was indeed "possible" to catch it.

Bt again, possible does not make it an "easily catchable" pass you you stated.

Bt again, ignore the facts and your mistake to try and make your point.


No, I'm not mistaken. I bolded where you said 'too'.

I think you used the wrong word by mistake.

And, unless you disagree that similar passes are caught rather often by NFL receivers, you would also agree that the pass was 'easily catchable'--because that is clearly what that would mean.


You have a completely different definition of what is a good pass and what is an easily catchable ball....
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 08, 2013 8:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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The fact that you said it was an "easily catchable" pass which is wrong, and the fact that I never said it was not catchable, rather I said it that it was possible.

You are either assuming more than I have wrote, or you are lumping me in with other posters opinions.


You said it was 'too hot'.

Too hot for what? To be caught? To be easily caught?

If either is the case, why are so many similar passes caught in so many games?
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 08, 2013 8:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dropkick_pride wrote:
Entropy wrote:
Dropkick_pride wrote:
Entropy wrote:
Dropkick_pride wrote:
Entropy wrote:
Dropkick_pride wrote:
Entropy wrote:
Dropkick_pride wrote:
bruceb wrote:
Entropy wrote:
bruceb wrote:
roger murdock wrote:
ditchdigger wrote:
roger murdock wrote:
His third interception was 100% his fault.


It hit Cameron in the hands. How is that 100% on Weeden? It wasn't perfect placement, but it was catchable.


Way high, way way way behind, fast. The only way Cameron catches that is if he breaks his route completely to compensate for his horrible throw. Cameron flailing his arm and barely tipping the ball with his back arm doesnt count as hitting a receiver in the hands in my book. Cameron has a ridiclous catch radius and Weeden found a spot outside of it.


Agree. Uncatchable ball.


Disagree, easily catchable --as was evidenced several times in several games today alone.


Not. You never played WR and/or do not understand simple physics. Your apologist for Weeden role is becoming annoying.


Not quite "uncatachable" But definitely NOT "easily catchable" either.

It was a poorly thrown ball. I don't see how anyone can debate that.


Poorly thrown balls are not caught routinely in most games.

That is what I'm basing my opinion on. On what are you basing your opinion that a ball that hits a receiver in the hands is poorly thrown?


Basing my opinion what actually happened. The ball has too hot, high, and behind. Everyone saw this, I don't know how you can could not have.

Was it "catchable"? Sure, it's Possible. But that does not mean it was a good thrown ball, nor does it make "easily catchable" as you previously stated.


Everyone knows that balls like that are caught by NFL receivers rather often. You said that they're not. I asked you why you said that.

You said that they are 'too hot, high, and behind'...yet I said that similar balls are still caught rather often by NFL receivers.

Everyone knows this, I don't know how you could not have.


Where did I say balls throw high and behind were not catchable?


when you used the word 'too'


Wrong.

I said that is was a poor pass based on it being that it was too hot, high, and behind the arget.

I did not say it was "uncatachable." Rather I specifically said it was indeed "possible" to catch it.

Bt again, possible does not make it an "easily catchable" pass you you stated.

Bt again, ignore the facts and your mistake to try and make your point.


No, I'm not mistaken. I bolded where you said 'too'.

I think you used the wrong word by mistake.

And, unless you disagree that similar passes are caught rather often by NFL receivers, you would also agree that the pass was 'easily catchable'--because that is clearly what that would mean.


You have a completely different definition of what is a good pass and what is an easily catchable ball....


Ok, what do you say the difference is between a good pass and an easily catchable one?
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 08, 2013 8:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Seeing this back and fourth is almost as painful as watching the game was today. it was a bad pass. not only was it behind Cameron, but it was thrown hard, like all Weeden passes are, which makes it quite possibly the most difficult of passes to catch. We would have been better off had he not gotten his hands on it at all, but he made a nice attempt to make a big play.
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 08, 2013 9:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Seeing this back and fourth is almost as painful as watching the game was today. it was a bad pass. not only was it behind Cameron, but it was thrown hard, like all Weeden passes are, which makes it quite possibly the most difficult of passes to catch. We would have been better off had he not gotten his hands on it at all, but he made a nice attempt to make a big play.


Ok, then there are a lot of 'bad passes' caught in the NFL today.
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Dibs on the "is it hoyer time?" Thread
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 08, 2013 9:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Entropy wrote:
H2ThaIzzo wrote:
Seeing this back and fourth is almost as painful as watching the game was today. it was a bad pass. not only was it behind Cameron, but it was thrown hard, like all Weeden passes are, which makes it quite possibly the most difficult of passes to catch. We would have been better off had he not gotten his hands on it at all, but he made a nice attempt to make a big play.


Ok, then there are a lot of 'bad passes' caught in the NFL today.


At least you've now admitted it was a bad pass. Weeden locates that ball in a better spot and Cameron makes the expected play.

You have watched baseball, I assume? An error isn't recorded every single time a players glove gets to the ball but the play isn't made. There are certain times where a play is just that difficult to make that the guy isn't recorded as botching the play. This is one of those times.

It wasn't a difficult throw to make. Its funny that you've spent the last couple of hours debating that an NFL receiver should be able most times to make that catch, When I think the top 32 NFL QB's should throw a pass much better than that one was thrown.
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 08, 2013 9:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Entropy wrote:
Dropkick_pride wrote:
Entropy wrote:
Dropkick_pride wrote:
Entropy wrote:
Dropkick_pride wrote:
Entropy wrote:
Dropkick_pride wrote:
bruceb wrote:
Entropy wrote:
bruceb wrote:
roger murdock wrote:
ditchdigger wrote:
roger murdock wrote:
His third interception was 100% his fault.


It hit Cameron in the hands. How is that 100% on Weeden? It wasn't perfect placement, but it was catchable.


Way high, way way way behind, fast. The only way Cameron catches that is if he breaks his route completely to compensate for his horrible throw. Cameron flailing his arm and barely tipping the ball with his back arm doesnt count as hitting a receiver in the hands in my book. Cameron has a ridiclous catch radius and Weeden found a spot outside of it.


Agree. Uncatchable ball.


Disagree, easily catchable --as was evidenced several times in several games today alone.


Not. You never played WR and/or do not understand simple physics. Your apologist for Weeden role is becoming annoying.


Not quite "uncatachable" But definitely NOT "easily catchable" either.

It was a poorly thrown ball. I don't see how anyone can debate that.


Poorly thrown balls are not caught routinely in most games.

That is what I'm basing my opinion on. On what are you basing your opinion that a ball that hits a receiver in the hands is poorly thrown?


Basing my opinion what actually happened. The ball has too hot, high, and behind. Everyone saw this, I don't know how you can could not have.

Was it "catchable"? Sure, it's Possible. But that does not mean it was a good thrown ball, nor does it make "easily catchable" as you previously stated.


Everyone knows that balls like that are caught by NFL receivers rather often. You said that they're not. I asked you why you said that.

You said that they are 'too hot, high, and behind'...yet I said that similar balls are still caught rather often by NFL receivers.

Everyone knows this, I don't know how you could not have.


Where did I say balls throw high and behind were not catchable?


when you used the word 'too'


Wrong.

I said that is was a poor pass based on it being that it was too hot, high, and behind the arget.

I did not say it was "uncatachable." Rather I specifically said it was indeed "possible" to catch it.

Bt again, possible does not make it an "easily catchable" pass you you stated.

Bt again, ignore the facts and your mistake to try and make your point.


No, I'm not mistaken. I bolded where you said 'too'.

I think you used the wrong word by mistake.

And, unless you disagree that similar passes are caught rather often by NFL receivers, you would also agree that the pass was 'easily catchable'--because that is clearly what that would mean.


Actually, you said "easily catchable" which discredits you completely.
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 08, 2013 9:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

H2ThaIzzo wrote:
Entropy wrote:
H2ThaIzzo wrote:
Seeing this back and fourth is almost as painful as watching the game was today. it was a bad pass. not only was it behind Cameron, but it was thrown hard, like all Weeden passes are, which makes it quite possibly the most difficult of passes to catch. We would have been better off had he not gotten his hands on it at all, but he made a nice attempt to make a big play.


Ok, then there are a lot of 'bad passes' caught in the NFL today.


At least you've now admitted it was a bad pass. Weeden locates that ball in a better spot and Cameron makes the expected play.

You have watched baseball, I assume? An error isn't recorded every single time a players glove gets to the ball but the play isn't made. There are certain times where a play is just that difficult to make that the guy isn't recorded as botching the play. This is one of those times.

It wasn't a difficult throw to make. Its funny that you've spent the last couple of hours debating that an NFL receiver should be able most times to make that catch, When I think the top 32 NFL QB's should throw a pass much better than that one was thrown.


At least I admitted what? That that pass is caught often? Well, if that's true, how is that a 'bad pass'?

If a pass is unable to be caught by most NFL receivers, there would be no disputing that it was a bad pass.

I have typed several times now that I believe that pass to be similar to the passes that are caught rather often by NFL receivers. Neither you nor anyone has disputed that.

And all QBs throw passes like that. That was what I said, that was the point--that is what you and others are ignoring to justify blind hatred of Weeden.

Also, where was the defender on that play? Go back and look, the ball should have been thrown slightly behind--or it wasn't going anywhere anyway.

Please don't respond unless you have something to add that hasn't been said already--like you disagree that similar passes are caught rather often.
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 08, 2013 9:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

bruceb wrote:
Entropy wrote:
Dropkick_pride wrote:
Entropy wrote:
Dropkick_pride wrote:
Entropy wrote:
Dropkick_pride wrote:
Entropy wrote:
Dropkick_pride wrote:
bruceb wrote:
Entropy wrote:
bruceb wrote:
roger murdock wrote:
ditchdigger wrote:
roger murdock wrote:
His third interception was 100% his fault.


It hit Cameron in the hands. How is that 100% on Weeden? It wasn't perfect placement, but it was catchable.


Way high, way way way behind, fast. The only way Cameron catches that is if he breaks his route completely to compensate for his horrible throw. Cameron flailing his arm and barely tipping the ball with his back arm doesnt count as hitting a receiver in the hands in my book. Cameron has a ridiclous catch radius and Weeden found a spot outside of it.


Agree. Uncatchable ball.


Disagree, easily catchable --as was evidenced several times in several games today alone.


Not. You never played WR and/or do not understand simple physics. Your apologist for Weeden role is becoming annoying.


Not quite "uncatachable" But definitely NOT "easily catchable" either.

It was a poorly thrown ball. I don't see how anyone can debate that.


Poorly thrown balls are not caught routinely in most games.

That is what I'm basing my opinion on. On what are you basing your opinion that a ball that hits a receiver in the hands is poorly thrown?


Basing my opinion what actually happened. The ball has too hot, high, and behind. Everyone saw this, I don't know how you can could not have.

Was it "catchable"? Sure, it's Possible. But that does not mean it was a good thrown ball, nor does it make "easily catchable" as you previously stated.


Everyone knows that balls like that are caught by NFL receivers rather often. You said that they're not. I asked you why you said that.

You said that they are 'too hot, high, and behind'...yet I said that similar balls are still caught rather often by NFL receivers.

Everyone knows this, I don't know how you could not have.


Where did I say balls throw high and behind were not catchable?


when you used the word 'too'


Wrong.

I said that is was a poor pass based on it being that it was too hot, high, and behind the arget.

I did not say it was "uncatachable." Rather I specifically said it was indeed "possible" to catch it.

Bt again, possible does not make it an "easily catchable" pass you you stated.

Bt again, ignore the facts and your mistake to try and make your point.


No, I'm not mistaken. I bolded where you said 'too'.

I think you used the wrong word by mistake.

And, unless you disagree that similar passes are caught rather often by NFL receivers, you would also agree that the pass was 'easily catchable'--because that is clearly what that would mean.


Actually, you said "easily catchable" which discredits you completely.


Yes, that ball is easily catchable--as in 'it is caught rather often by NFL receivers'

It seems like some of your are saying to yourself 'hey, I couldn't catch that ball, so I shouldn't expect anyone else to' or some nonsense like that.
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 08, 2013 9:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Entropy wrote:
H2ThaIzzo wrote:
Entropy wrote:
H2ThaIzzo wrote:
Seeing this back and fourth is almost as painful as watching the game was today. it was a bad pass. not only was it behind Cameron, but it was thrown hard, like all Weeden passes are, which makes it quite possibly the most difficult of passes to catch. We would have been better off had he not gotten his hands on it at all, but he made a nice attempt to make a big play.


Ok, then there are a lot of 'bad passes' caught in the NFL today.


At least you've now admitted it was a bad pass. Weeden locates that ball in a better spot and Cameron makes the expected play.

You have watched baseball, I assume? An error isn't recorded every single time a players glove gets to the ball but the play isn't made. There are certain times where a play is just that difficult to make that the guy isn't recorded as botching the play. This is one of those times.

It wasn't a difficult throw to make. Its funny that you've spent the last couple of hours debating that an NFL receiver should be able most times to make that catch, When I think the top 32 NFL QB's should throw a pass much better than that one was thrown.


At least I admitted what? That that pass is caught often? Well, if that's true, how is that a 'bad pass'?

If a pass is unable to be caught by most NFL receivers, there would be no disputing that it was a bad pass.

I have typed several times now that I believe that pass to be similar to the passes that are caught rather often by NFL receivers. Neither you nor anyone has disputed that.

And all QBs throw passes like that. That was what I said, that was the point--that is what you and others are ignoring to justify blind hatred of Weeden.

Also, where was the defender on that play? Go back and look, the ball should have been thrown slightly behind--or it wasn't going anywhere anyway.

Please don't respond unless you have something to add that hasn't been said already--like you disagree that similar passes are caught rather often.


The pass was uncatchable unless the receiver had fingers 12"+ long and lots of stickum on 'em. Let it go, Entropy.
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 08, 2013 9:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Entropy wrote:
H2ThaIzzo wrote:
Entropy wrote:
H2ThaIzzo wrote:
Seeing this back and fourth is almost as painful as watching the game was today. it was a bad pass. not only was it behind Cameron, but it was thrown hard, like all Weeden passes are, which makes it quite possibly the most difficult of passes to catch. We would have been better off had he not gotten his hands on it at all, but he made a nice attempt to make a big play.


Ok, then there are a lot of 'bad passes' caught in the NFL today.


At least you've now admitted it was a bad pass. Weeden locates that ball in a better spot and Cameron makes the expected play.

You have watched baseball, I assume? An error isn't recorded every single time a players glove gets to the ball but the play isn't made. There are certain times where a play is just that difficult to make that the guy isn't recorded as botching the play. This is one of those times.

It wasn't a difficult throw to make. Its funny that you've spent the last couple of hours debating that an NFL receiver should be able most times to make that catch, When I think the top 32 NFL QB's should throw a pass much better than that one was thrown.


At least I admitted what? That that pass is caught often? Well, if that's true, how is that a 'bad pass'?

If a pass is unable to be caught by most NFL receivers, there would be no disputing that it was a bad pass.

I have typed several times now that I believe that pass to be similar to the passes that are caught rather often by NFL receivers. Neither you nor anyone has disputed that.

And all QBs throw passes like that. That was what I said, that was the point--that is what you and others are ignoring to justify blind hatred of Weeden.

Also, where was the defender on that play? Go back and look, the ball should have been thrown slightly behind--or it wasn't going anywhere anyway.

Please don't respond unless you have something to add that hasn't been said already--like you disagree that similar passes are caught rather often.


lol. when all else fails, lets fall back to the "hatred of Weeden" argument. If you read my initial post in regards to his performance, I was actually pretty fair towards him.

The difference between you and the rest of us is you're trying to turn opinions into facts, and you're getting your panties in a bunch when we don't agree with you. It's actually rather amusing.

Oh, Calvin Johnson dropped a routine ball today that would have been a touchdown. Receivers just can't do that right? They should cut his [inappropriate/removed].
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Your blind and absolute defense of weeden's inaccurate pass completely discredits your opinion on this. Frankly, I find it laughable and sad at the same time.
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H2ThaIzzo wrote:
Entropy wrote:
H2ThaIzzo wrote:
Seeing this back and fourth is almost as painful as watching the game was today. it was a bad pass. not only was it behind Cameron, but it was thrown hard, like all Weeden passes are, which makes it quite possibly the most difficult of passes to catch. We would have been better off had he not gotten his hands on it at all, but he made a nice attempt to make a big play.


Ok, then there are a lot of 'bad passes' caught in the NFL today.


At least you've now admitted it was a bad pass. Weeden locates that ball in a better spot and Cameron makes the expected play.

You have watched baseball, I assume? An error isn't recorded every single time a players glove gets to the ball but the play isn't made. There are certain times where a play is just that difficult to make that the guy isn't recorded as botching the play. This is one of those times.

It wasn't a difficult throw to make. Its funny that you've spent the last couple of hours debating that an NFL receiver should be able most times to make that catch, When I think the top 32 NFL QB's should throw a pass much better than that one was thrown.


Oh, and it's funny that you spent several hours thinking of how to argue that Weeden's pass was bad, but didn't dispute that the pass should have been caught.
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Dropkick_pride wrote:
Your blind and absolute defense of weeden's inaccurate pass completely discredits your opinion on this. Frankly, I find it laughable and sad at the same time.


Ok, that's your opinion.

Do you have anything to back it up?

Aren't similar passes caught rather often?

Are 'bad passes' caught rather often? Or wouldn't it make more sense to say that a real 'bad pass' is one that is rarely or never caught?

hmmmm????
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