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PostPosted: Sun Sep 08, 2013 6:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

DudeWhat?? wrote:
1BackInBlackFan wrote:
UP:

1. Troy Polamalu - He is healthy and made some nice plays.
2. Ryan Clark - He battled the whole game despite getting banged up.
3. AFC North went 0 for Week 1.
4. Contained Chris Johnson - They held him to under three yards a carry.
5. Zoltan Mesko - He wasn't bad.

DOWN:

1. Turnovers - Stunning how the game turned on Redman's fumble. The Titans gained a ton of momentum there and the Steelers offense never recovered. Roethlisberger's interception led to the Titans only TD of the game.
2. Injuries - I know DD feels bad but that was just an inexcusable play by him. I'm not sure what he was doing or thinking but now the Steelers are without their Pro-Bowl center for the rest of the year thanks to a careless play. Foote is done too. Allen sprained his ankle and LSH hurt his knee. The injuries just added salt to the wound.
3. Running game - It would be nice if they had one. No run blocking and Redman was a joke back there. It was a disaster right from the beginning.
4. No big plays on defense - Once again they were unable to provide a turnover for the offense. On the crucial fourth down play during the Titans TD drive both Foote and Timmons weren't able to tackle the runner behind the LOS.
5. Down list deja vu - Basically I could have just got an old thread last year and put it up because it's the same stuff over and over again.


We are going to have a long season if the running game continues to fail. It's high time we listen to big ben and give him a big target..Eli got his, Rivers got his....Peyton got two even brady got his (although both gone) .....why not Ben? Im don't with all the excuses made for Todd Haley..he is done. We gotta fix this line..quick.
The steelers have decent wrs, what struggled was protection. Particularly up the middle, which is the worst place for the pressure to come from. It was clear all preseason this was a problem- even when Pouncey was healthy- and the Titans game plan was to expose the interior of the Steelers OL.

That's also why they struggled to run the ball. DeCastro and Foster are better than they've shown so far his year, I have no clue whey they are struggling.

Antonio Brown, Emmanuel Sanders, Cotchery and Markus Wheaton are a reliable core of WRs.

Brown is just a year removed from a 69 catch, 1108 season, Sanders was solid except for a few fumbles last year and he didn't even start all year long, Cotchery is a reliable slot WR and Markus Wheaton has good speed and a good route runner. But not great speed or an elite route runner.

The WRs are fine, once Miller is back in there will be another weapon at TE.

Ben just needs time to find them, he needs the interior of the OL to do a better job
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 08, 2013 6:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I wonder if the Steelers might consider a trade for Evan Royster if their lack of a running game keeps up. I know it's mostly the interior blocking that was horrible and Redman had no where to go but I think Royster can be an upgrade.

In 2011 he started the past two games for the Redskins and went over 100 YDs vs the Vikings and Eagles. This year in the preseason he was the Redskins leading rusher in both preseason games he played in and he's a great fit for the ZBS blocking system.
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 08, 2013 7:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

turtle28 wrote:
I wonder if the Steelers might consider a trade for Evan Royster if their lack of a running game keeps up. I know it's mostly the interior blocking that was horrible and Redman had no where to go but I think Royster can be an upgrade.

In 2011 he started the past two games for the Redskins and went over 100 YDs vs the Vikings and Eagles. This year in the preseason he was the Redskins leading rusher in both preseason games he played in and he's a great fit for the ZBS blocking system.


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PostPosted: Sun Sep 08, 2013 8:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Personally when Bell comes back I'd like to see them cut Redman.
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 08, 2013 8:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

chrisororke wrote:
I'm not even sure what to say.

I tried to politely tell you I was very bearish on the Steelers and I was blasted for overreacting to the Steelers. I do not overreact. I am meticulous and analytical in every decision I make. When I said in April the Pirates would be better than the Steelers was that overreacting? It was an absolutely asinine comment at the time in that in 20 years the Pirates haven't been good.

Well, look at me now

Since the Steelers should've won this game as it is the easiest on the schedule, I will be forced to reduce my prediction to 5-11. Mark it down 43, TOP 10 PICK GUARANTEED. You wanna save that or just tote around "The Steelers won't draft a WR until day three". You know day three is the fourth round and they drafted Wheaton rd 3 and had serious debate to take Shamarko in that spot.

I would say the lone positive is Jarvis Jones. Maybe Troy as well.

I'lll leave you with one last soundbite. Not only will the Browns worst-case scenario go 1-1 with us, they'll finish ahead of us in the division. Wink


Hilarious.

You only show up to act like you are right when you actually arent.

Where were you when you were clearly wrong all those times?

Run away little cluelessoroke...its what you do best and we all welcome your absence.
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 08, 2013 8:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

BlaqOptic wrote:
Jarvis Jones had some energy plays but outside of his level of energy he didn't outplay Worilds. Didn't do so in the pre-season either.ouched. Huge difference between making his own plays and coming untouched.


Yes...he absolutely did.

Not even because Jones was great, but because Worlids was awful
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 08, 2013 9:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

turtle28 wrote:
DudeWhat?? wrote:
1BackInBlackFan wrote:
UP:

1. Troy Polamalu - He is healthy and made some nice plays.
2. Ryan Clark - He battled the whole game despite getting banged up.
3. AFC North went 0 for Week 1.
4. Contained Chris Johnson - They held him to under three yards a carry.
5. Zoltan Mesko - He wasn't bad.

DOWN:

1. Turnovers - Stunning how the game turned on Redman's fumble. The Titans gained a ton of momentum there and the Steelers offense never recovered. Roethlisberger's interception led to the Titans only TD of the game.
2. Injuries - I know DD feels bad but that was just an inexcusable play by him. I'm not sure what he was doing or thinking but now the Steelers are without their Pro-Bowl center for the rest of the year thanks to a careless play. Foote is done too. Allen sprained his ankle and LSH hurt his knee. The injuries just added salt to the wound.
3. Running game - It would be nice if they had one. No run blocking and Redman was a joke back there. It was a disaster right from the beginning.
4. No big plays on defense - Once again they were unable to provide a turnover for the offense. On the crucial fourth down play during the Titans TD drive both Foote and Timmons weren't able to tackle the runner behind the LOS.
5. Down list deja vu - Basically I could have just got an old thread last year and put it up because it's the same stuff over and over again.


We are going to have a long season if the running game continues to fail. It's high time we listen to big ben and give him a big target..Eli got his, Rivers got his....Peyton got two even brady got his (although both gone) .....why not Ben? Im don't with all the excuses made for Todd Haley..he is done. We gotta fix this line..quick.
The steelers have decent wrs, what struggled was protection. Particularly up the middle, which is the worst place for the pressure to come from. It was clear all preseason this was a problem- even when Pouncey was healthy- and the Titans game plan was to expose the interior of the Steelers OL.

That's also why they struggled to run the ball. DeCastro and Foster are better than they've shown so far his year, I have no clue whey they are struggling.

Antonio Brown, Emmanuel Sanders, Cotchery and Markus Wheaton are a reliable core of WRs.

Brown is just a year removed from a 69 catch, 1108 season, Sanders was solid except for a few fumbles last year and he didn't even start all year long, Cotchery is a reliable slot WR and Markus Wheaton has good speed and a good route runner. But not great speed or an elite route runner.

The WRs are fine, once Miller is back in there will be another weapon at TE.

Ben just needs time to find them, he needs the interior of the OL to do a better job



I agree...but you have to understand my frame of mind..I don't want a reliable core of WRs...I want A dominating core of WRs... Brown is great..in Denver he is a great 2nd WR...here he is an all star..i want size and speed and playmaking ability even when the line does suck..I don't want to fix our problems and wait for other short comings to appear..i want to dominate. We do have to fix this line though..pronto. and Pouncey getting injured again..some people just have that bug..its time to get him some competiton at center. I know he has grea ability..but so did Ki jana Cater.
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 08, 2013 10:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

In Denver, Brown is the 4th WR.
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 08, 2013 11:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

armsteeld wrote:
In Denver, Brown is the 4th WR.


Is there a point to this? The Broncos have a WR situation few teams have.

Brown IMO isnt a true number 1, but he is a quality 2.

Thats the problem though, we dont have a true 1. And without Heath or a running game, its even worse.
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 08, 2013 11:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

So did Pouncey sleep with DD wife or something, that was the worse play I've seen in years.
Also looks like Foote is out, Jarvis Jones needs to be moved to the middle cause he doesn't look like he will make it on the outside. He could be a less athletic Chad Brown.
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 08, 2013 11:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You don't really need a mythical #1 WR if you have a group of guys who can get the job done. With Heath, Sanders, Brown, Wheaton, and Cotchery I think they can have that. Ben spreads the ball out well and always has. Haley's system has to allow that, though.
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 08, 2013 11:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Eifert sure would look good catching passes right about now.
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 08, 2013 11:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

CKSteeler wrote:
You don't really need a mythical #1 WR if you have a group of guys who can get the job done. With Heath, Sanders, Brown, Wheaton, and Cotchery I think they can have that. Ben spreads the ball out well and always has. Haley's system has to allow that, though.


I agree they dont NEED one....but it doesnt mean it wouldnt be very helpful...especially with Heath out and our OLine as bad as it is.

Our WR corps is capable, but we still lack the offensive talent to make teams fear us in any aspect of the game. Ben scrambling and making plays? Sure, but no one fears our running game or any of our WRs. Thats what we lost with Wallace.
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 08, 2013 11:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Speaking of Wallace, he's already pouting in Miami. After the game he tolds reporters he didn't want to talk to reporters, and to ask the coach about the gamplan because he didn't draw it up. That's after a win. I don't think he's going to deal with the pressure of his contract well.

I think the offense needs to maximize what it does best. When I look at the talent, it is so poorly suited for Haley's scheme almost across the board. And the funny thing is, it's not as if people haven't been pointing this out all off-season.
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armsteeld wrote:
turtle28 wrote:
I wonder if the Steelers might consider a trade for Evan Royster if their lack of a running game keeps up. I know it's mostly the interior blocking that was horrible and Redman had no where to go but I think Royster can be an upgrade.

In 2011 he started the past two games for the Redskins and went over 100 YDs vs the Vikings and Eagles. This year in the preseason he was the Redskins leading rusher in both preseason games he played in and he's a great fit for the ZBS blocking system.


Dude is trash!
In 2011 he ran for 132 yds vs the Vikings and 113 yds vs the Eagles in back to back weeks.
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