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PostPosted: Thu Sep 05, 2013 11:56 am    Post subject: Roethlisberger secretly "terrible, compared to Freeman Reply with quote

ESPN's/Grantland's "Bad Quarter League, 2013" details the worst QB's on a weekly basis to make fun of them. This year someone new took over named Andrew Sharp. He took some digs at Roethlisberger and Rivers, but mainly Ben.

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Ben Roethlisberger and Philip Rivers. We have to mention them somewhere, because one or both of these guys is going to fall off a cliff soon. As it stands, Roethlisberger is the worst good quarterback of all time. He's constantly playing with a broken foot or cracked ribs or something else that gives him the benefit of the doubt, but still. He's the king of throwing for 110 yards, one interception, and no touchdowns and still somehow getting the win. If he spent the past decade with the Panthers, he'd have maybe one playoff win and nobody would blink an eye. Because again, he's not actually that good.

Rivers, on the other hand, is just good enough to make any bad Chargers team competitive, but never quite good enough to actually win anything meaningful. Kind of like Jay Cutler. It's a special class of bad quarterback.

This year? Both guys are older and beaten down from years of taking too many hits. Both guys have less weapons than ever. Both play for teams that seem destined to go 6-10 or 7-9. I'm just saying At some point these guys will go from secretly terrible good quarterbacks to just plain old bad quarterbacks. Could this be that year?

Josh Freeman. Freeman's career arc is a dead-on simulation of what Roethlisberger's career would have been like if he'd wound up on any team but the Steelers
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http://www.grantland.com/blog/the-triangle/post/_/id/73199/bad-quarterback-league-2013-spread-your-wings-and-fly

It's amazing to me that this stuff still gets printed anywhere. I've mostly learned to ignore it at this point, but this was more extreme than the typical criticism. Eli Manning is generally ranked ahead of Roethlisberger by most pundits despite being statistically inferior and far more inconsistent than Roethlisberger has ever been.

Grantland of course has run another article today giving the Steelers plenty of respect, and they are still a dark horse pick by many pundits who realize this isn't a team that stays down long.

I would love one season where Roethlisberger stays healthy 16 games and puts up monster numbers. It's unlikely to happen with Tomlin and as the team is currently constructed. He doesn't have a great offensive mind behind him. His organization has a fascination with bulky/fat RB's along with a revolving door at WR. The OL has only just now been rebuilt, and the results haven't been seen on the field yet. The offense is expected to compliment the defense.

If he played for another organization, particularly one with an offensive mind behind it such as Green Bay/New Orleans or even the Pats who have built around Brady, his career would be viewed far differently.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 05, 2013 12:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If winning means having terrible stats, then I don't want good stats.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 05, 2013 12:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I cannot stand it when people use counterfactual history! This guy spits out a random stat line for Ben, saying that he is the king of winning games with bad stats. Stating that Ben would be more like Freeman if he had not being playing for the Steelers.

He provides no data/evidence to back up any of his claims, and is merely speaking out of his ...
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 05, 2013 12:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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21.5completions 33.7attempts 63.8comp% 270.36yards  8YPA 1.63TDs/game .7Ints/game 96.0 rating


This is what Ben's per game numbers are from 2009-2012. This is arguably with the worst offensive cast (including OCs) among the top couple tiers of quarterbacks, and including the games he was limited from injury but had to play anyway.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 05, 2013 1:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

'garbage.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 05, 2013 1:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Andrew isn't too Sharp is he?

They should give that left-handed QB who is looking for a job a call and send the three time Super Bowl appearing QB packing because clearly Ben isn't that good. Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 05, 2013 1:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The fact that we're even dignifying this with a discussion is almost as stupid as the person that wrote the article.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 05, 2013 4:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just remember Ben's most important stat. 2 Super Bowl wins, 3 Super Bowl appearances. Championships trump any statistic.

This isn't baseball where stats really do tell the story. Football is about getting it done; getting it done through injuries, bad weather, bad calls, being faced with adversity and that's exactly what Ben does.

Nerds behind the computer can talk all day long about Fantasy Football and stats, stats, stats. But when you go out on the field everything changes and it's just about getting it done. Plus on top of that Roethlisbergers stats are not bad at all. Let these nerds say what they want, its not like this guy has much credibility or anything.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 05, 2013 4:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 05, 2013 5:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This was clearly a site grab. There's no other explanation for it. All you have to do is go back 1 whole season and his numbers vs his games played were phenomenal. Although he had his terrible moments after his injury.

The worst good quarterback (or however he put it) doesn't go 26-8 97.0 with out .....you know.....actually being good.

I'd love to see a statue like Brady behind our line.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 05, 2013 5:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's all for hits on their website. I mean, what a horrible article to have anyway every week, who approves this crap?

I can guarantee you, if the Redskins had drafted Ben Roethlisberger in 2004 instead of Sean Taylor, they would have won at least one Super Bowl in the last 9 years.

Most of Washington's problems dating back 20 years till they drafted RG3 revolved around the lack of an even above average qb.

Clinton Portis and Big Ben would have been sick together.
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 13, 2013 9:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Clearly, the writer of the article has no football savy what so ever. Ben has made plays that only a hand full of quarterbacks could ever make. Like his throw in Superbowl 43 to Santonio Holmes. That last drive alone was one for the ages. With what at the time was perceived as a very weak OL. You can argue that with a solid offensive line Ben could have won even more and padded his stats, but that's not really how he is built. He moves and extends the play. Nobody in history has done that better than him. This writer is most likely a mouth breather that sits behind his computer with his big gulp making no sense of what he says or who he is. 110 yard game? Yeah, probably making a clutch throw for a touchdown to win the game too. Ben was made for Pittsburgh. Anybody that has been a fan for a long time like me remembers life after Bradshaw through the 80's and the Kordell years. Those were terrible quarterbacks. Ben has helped get this team to 3 Superbowls and won 2. It wasn't just the defence. Anyone that thinks that does not know football. The article was pure garbage from a mental midget.
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 13, 2013 10:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cut Ben tomorrow! Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 14, 2013 1:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Josh Freeman that makes below-average decisions and still can't show up despite having some weapons in Tampa? Our entire offense sans Ben completely underwhelmed last year and Ben had an MVP-like season prior to his injury.

I fail to see what the defense has to do with Ben's play? The basis of this article is completely off-base. Ben's numbers show nothing to support an argument of such a theory. If our offense was dynamic and had Pro Bowlers on the line with top-tier WR / TE and a good run game; then this makes sense. However, this article speaks solely on how he's compared to Josh Freeman.. except Ben has superior statistics.

Ben's career completion percentage is 63 to Freemans' 58
Ben's career TD : INT ratio is nearly 2:1 (192 TD 109 INT)
Freeman's is nearly 1:! (79 TD 64 INT)
Not to mention... Ben has a YPA of 7.9 while Freeman's is 6.9

I fail to see how they're comparable.
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