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jetskid007


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PostPosted: Thu Sep 05, 2013 12:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

green24 wrote:
The teams recently ranked 32nd by ESPN...

2012: Colts - final record: 11-5*
2011: Bengals - final record: 9-7*
2010: Rams - final record: 7-9
2009: Lions - final record: 2-14
2008: Falcons - final record: 11-5*

A combined record of 40-40. That total is skewed by the Lions, who were the easy choice following an 0-16 season. Three of these teams made the playoffs, including the Falcons who won the NFC South. Just like the 2013 Jets, all five of these teams started a rookie QB.


This was a good find. A lot of times the ESPNs, FOXs, and CBSs of the world develop their power rankings based on statistical analysis and "name" recognition, but with a team like the Jets a lot of their "talent" aren't recognized. What if Ivory/Goodson/Powell turn in stud seasons? What if Stephen Hill takes that 2nd year step? What about Geno, Coples, Richardspn, Davis, Milliner, etc? All these guys are relatively unknown from a broad prospective, but f they Jets' young guys take the leap, the Jets all of a sudden have a talented football team
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 05, 2013 12:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

jetskid007 wrote:
green24 wrote:
The teams recently ranked 32nd by ESPN...

2012: Colts - final record: 11-5*
2011: Bengals - final record: 9-7*
2010: Rams - final record: 7-9
2009: Lions - final record: 2-14
2008: Falcons - final record: 11-5*

A combined record of 40-40. That total is skewed by the Lions, who were the easy choice following an 0-16 season. Three of these teams made the playoffs, including the Falcons who won the NFC South. Just like the 2013 Jets, all five of these teams started a rookie QB.


This was a good find. A lot of times the ESPNs, FOXs, and CBSs of the world develop their power rankings based on statistical analysis and "name" recognition, but with a team like the Jets a lot of their "talent" aren't recognized. What if Ivory/Goodson/Powell turn in stud seasons? What if Stephen Hill takes that 2nd year step? What about Geno, Coples, Richardspn, Davis, Milliner, etc? All these guys are relatively unknown from a broad prospective, but f they Jets' young guys take the leap, the Jets all of a sudden have a talented football team


Yeah, most of them are basing on talents of the past. Just hope we have several dark horse players to save Jets' sorry arse.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 05, 2013 12:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ESPN IS A JOKE. The network has become too big and is more focused on sensationalized journalism over true opinions. The Jets are at worse the 2nd best team in the division.

I predict this for the Jets.

Record , 10 - 6 ( wins division with tiebreaker)
Geno Smith 3200passing yds 22tds, 24 ints, 250 rushing yds
Defense - #1 ranked defense
Defensive player of the year: Muhammed Wilkerson
Stephen Hill - 12TDs
Santoine Holmes gets traded for a 7th round pick
Mark Sanchez won't play another snap for the Jets.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 05, 2013 12:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

famousj wrote:
ESPN IS A JOKE. The network has become too big and is more focused on sensationalized journalism over true opinions. The Jets are at worse the 2nd best team in the division.

I predict this for the Jets.

Record , 10 - 6 ( wins division with tiebreaker)
Geno Smith 3200passing yds 22tds, 24 ints, 250 rushing yds
Defense - #1 ranked defense
Defensive player of the year: Muhammed Wilkerson
Stephen Hill - 12TDs
Santoine Holmes gets traded for a 7th round pick
Mark Sanchez won't play another snap for the Jets.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 05, 2013 1:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Say what you will about Mangini however I remember a game he was miked or some highlight thing and he was calling the exact offensive plays the other team was going to run. The D still let the other team score but he knew what was coming.
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I saw someone in an Urlacher jersey and a Dolphins hat today.

Was it Colin Kaepernick?
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 05, 2013 1:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

green24 wrote:
The teams recently ranked 32nd by ESPN...

2012: Colts - final record: 11-5*
2011: Bengals - final record: 9-7*
2010: Rams - final record: 7-9
2009: Lions - final record: 2-14
2008: Falcons - final record: 11-5*

A combined record of 40-40. That total is skewed by the Lions, who were the easy choice following an 0-16 season. Three of these teams made the playoffs, including the Falcons who won the NFC South. Just like the 2013 Jets, all five of these teams started a rookie QB.


This was a good find. A lot of times the ESPNs, FOXs, and CBSs of the world develop their power rankings based on statistical analysis and "name" recognition, but with a team like the Jets a lot of their "talent" aren't recognized. What if Ivory/Goodson/Powell turn in stud seasons? What if Stephen Hill takes that 2nd year step? What about Geno, Coples, Richardspn, Davis, Milliner, etc? All these guys are relatively unknown from a broad prospective, but f they Jets' young guys take the leap, the Jets all of a sudden have a talented football team
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 05, 2013 3:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

kilahchris wrote:

Rex Ryan is 10x the coach eric mangini was. Better in game manager, better at handling the defense. Rex struggles with offense because of the poor play of Mark Sanchez and tannenbaum's foolish idea of bringing in Tony Sparano to run his gimmick bs plays.



Eric Mangini did not last any time with the Cleveland Browns either. Eric Mangini could never take a 9-7 team to the superbowl, even with Brett Farve.


The most important thing a head coach needs to do, before anything else, is be able to control his team, manage it effectively and build a positive team atmosphere. You can hire a great defensive coordinator, you can hire a great offensive coordinator. There are many head coaches in the NFL, great ones, that don't call plays on offense or defense. I mean, John Harbaugh was hired to be the head coach of the Ravens as the Eagles' special teams coordinator of nearly ten years. But I assure you, they didn't hire him with hopes that they were going to improve their special teams.

Rex Ryan needs to show he can do these things, or he's not going to last. Being a fantastic defensive mind is a tremendous bonus to what should be the administrative principles of being a head coach, something he hasn't shown consistency in being able to do.

Rex Ryan has coached the team to two straight AFC Championship games, taking what he inherited and sculpting the league's best defense and the league's best running game. But our teams under him have also been undisciplined, tend to not show up on game day with the same intensity week to week, and he quite obviously lost control over his locker room when things weren't going well. Our best moments under him were very talented teams coached to get that talent maximized, but lacked the fundamentals.

Rex Ryan also got his hands on the personnel decision making and that's pretty much the reason we find ourselves where we are. And that includes the decision to hire Tony Sparano. The types of players we were targeting changed dramatically, a lot of money was being thrown around, and the long term plan we were going with was squashed in favor of spending to win now. It's all well and good if you can do that without sacrificing the future, but we couldn't. Mangini, for better or for worse, was about a certain kind of football player and was not going to go after players like Santonio Holmes. Rex Ryan couldn't care less about that kind of thing because he thought he could handle it - and he couldn't. He needs to learn from that.

The media is making it out like John Idzik can't wait to rid himself of Rex Ryan, and if Rex Ryan can't learn what it takes to actually be a successful head coach than that sentiment is probably right. But if Rex can improve on his flaws and become a better head coach, Idzik and his stripping Rex of all that power could actually be his saving grace.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 05, 2013 3:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ESPN has a sports science on the butt fumble...

http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=9637420&ex_cid=espnapi_public
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 05, 2013 3:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rex Ryan will remain with us after this year. Ryan could not care about what offense Jets are running so it should not be problem for Idzik since Jets have Marty as OC.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 05, 2013 4:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I understand how it's an offensive driven league, but why does a coach like Payton get off the hook for not coaching defense? Is it purely because offense>defense? Or is it Jets hatred.

Heck, Kubiak and McCarthy(borderline SUCKED) weren't looking pretty until they brought in Philips and Capers, respectively.

Rex now now has a competent OC to lean on while he tries to get the defense back to #1.

Wish people and the media wouldn't have tunnel vision when it came to the Jets and would look at other teams and just think about the situation for 2 seconds. But then again being the underdog is good for us.

#hailceasar
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 05, 2013 4:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

jetsfan4life51 wrote:
I understand how it's an offensive driven league, but why does a coach like Payton get off the hook for not coaching defense? Is it purely because offense>defense? Or is it Jets hatred.

Heck, Kubiak and McCarthy(borderline SUCKED) weren't looking pretty until they brought in Philips and Capers, respectively.

Rex now now has a competent OC to lean on while he tries to get the defense back to #1.

Wish people and the media wouldn't have tunnel vision when it came to the Jets and would look at other teams and just think about the situation for 2 seconds. But then again being the underdog is good for us.

#hailceasar


Excellent point. Rex just needs to not sound like such an idiot in the post game and maybe the beat writers will stop some. I really hope Rex coaches his [inappropriate/removed] off this year. I think if we prove Geno to be the guy this year, were in a very good position next offseason.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 05, 2013 4:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

famousj wrote:
ESPN IS A JOKE. The network has become too big and is more focused on sensationalized journalism over true opinions. The Jets are at worse the 2nd best team in the division.

I predict this for the Jets.

Record , 10 - 6 ( wins division with tiebreaker)
Geno Smith 3200passing yds 22tds, 24 ints, 250 rushing yds
Defense - #1 ranked defense
Defensive player of the year: Muhammed Wilkerson
Stephen Hill - 12TDs
Santoine Holmes gets traded for a 7th round pick
Mark Sanchez won't play another snap for the Jets.


Dude if Geno turns the ball over 24 times IDC how good you think our defense is, were winning 6 games. Hope your win totally is right, but not with those numbers Geno puts up.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 05, 2013 4:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

jetsfan4life51 wrote:
I understand how it's an offensive driven league, but why does a coach like Payton get off the hook for not coaching defense? Is it purely because offense>defense? Or is it Jets hatred.


I get what you're saying but a consistently strong offense is what a consistent contender is built around. The idea is that you should be able to compete or get into the playoffs every year because you should be able to compete in most games if your team is consistently capable of scoring points. And then from there, getting into the playoffs you've got a shot to win it all, and if you keep making it eventually you'll go all the way. It's the way the Colts won their Super Bowl with Peyton. Keep building around him, he'll get you to the playoffs, and if you keep making the playoffs every year eventually things will fall into place.

But that's why we've got to develop Geno the right way and hope Morhinweg shows he can be here to stay. Because we need to start putting that together. Ideally, if we can build around Geno successfully and get a consistently good offense while Rex Ryan improves as a head coach and continues to work magic defensively we would be in great shape. That's the goal, anyway.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 05, 2013 6:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rex's future with the team Ibeleive will be greatly tied to what we see out of Geno this year. If Smith looks promising, and it looks like the Jets have the right guy in Morninwheg to develop him, I think he'll be signed to an extension. If Geno is a disappointment, it may be that Idzik would want to replace him with a coach from an offensive background to see if he can get more out of the kid, or possibly someone else the Jets could potentially draft.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 05, 2013 7:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

famousj wrote:
ESPN IS A JOKE. The network has become too big and is more focused on sensationalized journalism over true opinions. The Jets are at worse the 2nd best team in the division.

I predict this for the Jets.

Record , 10 - 6 ( wins division with tiebreaker)
Geno Smith 3200passing yds 22tds, 24 ints, 250 rushing yds
Defense - #1 ranked defense
Defensive player of the year: Muhammed Wilkerson
Stephen Hill - 12TDs
Santoine Holmes gets traded for a 7th round pick
Mark Sanchez won't play another snap for the Jets.


You have to be trolling.
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