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PostPosted: Mon Sep 02, 2013 9:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Too hard to say anything at this point.




Agreed.


But I definitely don't like the thought of a guard in the first.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 02, 2013 10:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Love to add Khalil Mack or Anthony Barr.


OLB?? Not sure if serious... Confused


Very serious.

I understand we have a little depth there if Worilds sticks around and if you consider him depth.

We'd have to be in a position to take a rare player to pass on a game changing pass rusher IMO.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 02, 2013 3:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Love to add Khalil Mack or Anthony Barr.


Barr? Not a chance. He'll be top 10 unless he tanks this season
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 02, 2013 3:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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treat88 wrote:
Love to add Khalil Mack or Anthony Barr.


Barr? Not a chance. He'll be top 10 unless he tanks this season


Agreed that is where his current value is.

I don't think that means no chance we might be in a position to pick there tho.

I can see this team breaking either way this season.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 02, 2013 3:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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JustPlainNasty wrote:
I was sharing with you who is talented enough for where I expect us to draft. Most of them aren't and similar talent could be found later at those positions.

I do agree TE is also of interest to me and believe a good option could be had in the 2nd round.

Just because we drafted Olineman doesnt mean we've done a great job or should stop.

We have no depth and 3 of our starters are questionable at best. I have a hard time including Gibert in any discussion about the future of our Oline as I was baffled by the pick when we made it.
I'd say if Gilbert and/or Adams struggle a lot at OT this year, the team should consider taking a LT prospect in round 1, because I believe the team doesn't have a LT on the Roster- it has 3 RTs. Then, the steelers should draft an interior lineman for better depth and develop him as a possible future starter in the mid rounds(3-5).


I think it will be between OT and WR. Sanders is playing for a contract. He will get paid more than the Steelers are willing to give.

Antonio Tiny Richardson T Tenn
Allen Robinson WR PSU
You mean:

Richardson-round 1
Robinson- round 2

I could definitely see that Cool. It would be a solid first two rounds. Then, come back round 3 and take a interior off. lineman, cb, FS, DL or Ilb.

Yes I would also watch Arthur Lynch TE Georgia
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The team needs more depth. Particularly when Kiesel & CLark retire at DL and FS, at NOW at Interior OL and CB


I think the Steelers have the depth as they tend to draft 1 year or two ahead of their expiring contracts. Thomas and the wealth of DE talent we have will be fine.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 02, 2013 3:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Barr is extremely athletic but has little to no pass rush skills, he relies totally on his speed and athleticism and if anyone gets in front of him he's shut down. That being said he'll most likely be top 10. At the moment I have him at 13 I believe, but thats on my board not where I believe he will be selected.
I'm more fond of Kyle Van Noy's all around game.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 02, 2013 4:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

treat88 wrote:
turtle28 wrote:
treat88 wrote:
Love to add Khalil Mack or Anthony Barr.


OLB?? Not sure if serious... Confused


Very serious.

I understand we have a little depth there if Worilds sticks around and if you consider him depth.

We'd have to be in a position to take a rare player to pass on a game changing pass rusher IMO.
Yes, but at the same time you can't look at the entire roster and think that OLB should be selected over a OT, CB or FS.

It's not only that the team has depth at OLB- it has its starting OLBs locked up in Woodley & Jones for at the least the next 4 seasons. On the flip side the future starting LT, FS & CB's are an enigma.

I'm not saying the team shouldn't add some more pass rush next offseason, but I don't think they have to do that in round 1. You can find pass rush specialist in free agency and in the mid rounds of the draft.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 02, 2013 5:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Barr is extremely athletic but has little to no pass rush skills, he relies totally on his speed and athleticism and if anyone gets in front of him he's shut down. That being said he'll most likely be top 10. At the moment I have him at 13 I believe, but thats on my board not where I believe he will be selected.
I'm more fond of Kyle Van Noy's all around game.


Huge fan of Van Noy. He reminds me of the guy Miami took in round 1. I feel we need to address the IOL and my man crush is Gabe Jackson of MS ST. Dude is an all around beast and reminds me of a more mobile Wafford. He is huge at 6'3 335 and I feel he is an upgrade over Foster.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 02, 2013 5:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

turtle28 wrote:
treat88 wrote:
turtle28 wrote:
treat88 wrote:
Love to add Khalil Mack or Anthony Barr.


OLB?? Not sure if serious... Confused


Very serious.

I understand we have a little depth there if Worilds sticks around and if you consider him depth.

We'd have to be in a position to take a rare player to pass on a game changing pass rusher IMO.
Yes, but at the same time you can't look at the entire roster and think that OLB should be selected over a OT, CB or FS.

It's not only that the team has depth at OLB- it has its starting OLBs locked up in Woodley & Jones for at the least the next 4 seasons. On the flip side the future starting LT, FS & CB's are an enigma.

I'm not saying the team shouldn't add some more pass rush next offseason, but I don't think they have to do that in round 1. You can find pass rush specialist in free agency and in the mid rounds of the draft.


If equivalent prospects were available at our pick at OT, CB, FS and OLB then, no, OLB wouldn't be my first choice based on the current roster.

But they don't draft positions, they draft players. I'm not convinced there is an equivalently impactful prospect at those other positions as Barr or Mack might be. Way too early and without knowing our draft spot I'm obviously generalizing, but I'm far more interested in the name than the position.

I'd absolutely grab a more talented player at a position of lesser need than pass on talent and try to fill holes with premium picks. Hopefully the need and talent match up, but if it doesn't I stockpile talent early and fill those holes later.

Add in that I think both Woodley and Jones have a lot to prove before being annointed 4 year starters and maybe my take is a little more clear.
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The only question I have on Woodley is his weight and discipline. If he's motivated, he is one of the best. Even fat Woodley can dominate, as we saw in the first half of 2011. He started slow, but played into shape and just made plays. I would also point out that the exact things being said about Woodley were being said about Suggs a few years back. He is a building block on defense, which is why the coaches have been lax with him. Of course, being overweight has probably contributed to his injuries.

As for Jones, even if he has to prove a lot still, he was a 1st round draft pick. The reality is he will be starting next year unless Worilds plays out of his mind. The team will give him a few seasons regardless before replacing him. A 1st round OLB next year would shock me unless a truly rare talent was sitting there and they think Jones has position flexibility.

Reality of the business is draft picks have to be spread out. If they lose Sanders, that's a position of need. A replacement/compliment for Miller is necessary. Ike Taylor is also ancient. 2nd round picks manning OT are also easier to let walk than 1st round guys. They have two 1st rounds on the IOL.

I think S, CB, TE and WR are the likely positions they look at in R1. Maybe ILB, as well.
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Need will = talent at the CB & OT position for the Steelers if they are picking in the 10-32 range (which I fully expect this season)

Need will = talent at the FS & ILB position if the Steelers are picking in the 20-32 range (which is possible)
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The only question I have on Woodley is his weight and discipline. If he's motivated, he is one of the best. Even fat Woodley can dominate, as we saw in the first half of 2011. He started slow, but played into shape and just made plays. I would also point out that the exact things being said about Woodley were being said about Suggs a few years back. He is a building block on defense, which is why the coaches have been lax with him. Of course, being overweight has probably contributed to his injuries.

As for Jones, even if he has to prove a lot still, he was a 1st round draft pick. The reality is he will be starting next year unless Worilds plays out of his mind. The team will give him a few seasons regardless before replacing him. A 1st round OLB next year would shock me unless a truly rare talent was sitting there and they think Jones has position flexibility.

Reality of the business is draft picks have to be spread out. If they lose Sanders, that's a position of need. A replacement/compliment for Miller is necessary. Ike Taylor is also ancient. 2nd round picks manning OT are also easier to let walk than 1st round guys. They have two 1st rounds on the IOL.

I think S, CB, TE and WR are the likely positions they look at in R1. Maybe ILB, as well.
I expect Woodley to have a season like he had in 09 & 10. He just looks more focused and ready.

I expect Jones and Worilds to combine to be solid at the other OLB position and show they team they have something to continue to develop there for the future- meaning OLB won't be high on the teams radar.

I expect Gilbert and Adams to play "ok" at OT, but not great and if there is a LT who's clearly the best player on the board- the Steelers will take them.

CB screams as a high need, I really do think the team could take it round 1 and if I had to guess today- I'd say that's be the 1st round selection.

The only way I see the team taking a WR round 1 is if Wheaton bombs- which I don't see happening and Sanders leaves- which I don't see happening. The only possibility the team would take wr round 1 with Sanders returning is if Marquise Lee or Sammy Watkins were available when they pick.

I think TE is a need, but I don't see it happening in round 1. A great TE prospect can be found in round 2, a good TE prospect can be found in the mid rounds.

Given the other needs this team has, I don't see the reasoning behind over drafting on a position like TE- which a good prospect could be found later than round 1.
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Outside Linebackers/ pass-rushers for 3-4 prospects had me drooling even before our recently draft. That's not to say I "wish" we didn't draft Jarvis Jones (okay I did, but I never liked him at OLB though) and it isn't out of question.

Van Noy is a prospect to look at hard.

There are some pretty good wide receiving prospects this year and I'm looking up this Rutgers kid (forgot his name but he's supposed to be next D. Thomas of Denver Broncos) at 6'5" and has street feet (really agile) when its said and done I expect us to take a BPA on offensive side. Likely a weapon. I just pray its not a guard or running back lol
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JustPlainNasty wrote:
Barr is extremely athletic but has little to no pass rush skills, he relies totally on his speed and athleticism and if anyone gets in front of him he's shut down. That being said he'll most likely be top 10. At the moment I have him at 13 I believe, but thats on my board not where I believe he will be selected.
I'm more fond of Kyle Van Noy's all around game.


of course, agr3eed on all points

last year was Barr's first season playing defense, ever. He was a RB. His technique is nonexistent, he's living on athleticism until he learns how to play the position. that's why I think he'll go so early.

that, and his ridiculously long frame. Watched him live, I swore I was watching Jason Taylor
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Yes, but at the same time you can't look at the entire roster and think that OLB should be selected over a OT, CB or FS.


sure you can.

1. Adams has a substantially higher ceiling than any LT we've had other than Marvel Smith, and Gilbert is better than Colon.

2. OLB is the most important position on our defense, so if "the right guy" is there, then definitely. Of course, the FO and coaching staff thinks JJones is "the right guy", so I'll be amazed if we go OLB

3. CB is a position of desperate need. We have no depth, and we are hurting. That said, I'm fairly confident we'll draft another 5-technique

4. FS may or may not be a position of need depending on how Robert Golden progresses. I still think Curtis Brown should get moved there.
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