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DudeWhat??
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| big_palooka wrote: | | TheKillerNacho wrote: | | reckless123 wrote: | | domepatrol91 wrote: | | vikingsrule wrote: | | Does Smith's play alone, not the others around him, warrant him starting? ... Has Smith truly won the job or he is starting by default? |
Did Kaepernick earn the job or did he get his chance based on an Alex Smith injury? What about Tom Brady?
I don't think he'll turn out like either of them, I think he'll flop, but the point remains. Not all guys who get a chance to start earn it, and just because they haven't earned it didn't mean they can't make the most of it or they shouldn't get that opportunity. |
Geno isnt ready. At this point in time, does he give you the best chance to win or are you starting him because you drafted him relatively high?
Kaepernick despite not playing had a year of experience. Geno needs to sit for a year. Tom Brady the same as well. They were more ready. And who were the other back ups on their respected teams? |
This, to be honest.
Kaepernick wasn't ready to start when he first entered the league, and I see the same kind of potential from him as Geno. Hopefully for the Jets, they don't mess up his development or confidence by starting him this early. |
Geno isn't on the same planet as Kaepernick mentally. |
What? how do you figure that? His mechanics and football knowledge is probably more advanced coming out...both QB's ran exciting fast paced Offenses coming out of school.
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| domepatrol91 wrote: | | vikingsrule wrote: | | Does Smith's play alone, not the others around him, warrant him starting? ... Has Smith truly won the job or he is starting by default? |
Did Kaepernick earn the job or did he get his chance based on an Alex Smith injury? What about Tom Brady?
I don't think he'll turn out like either of them, I think he'll flop, but the point remains. Not all guys who get a chance to start earn it, and just because they haven't earned it didn't mean they can't make the most of it or they shouldn't get that opportunity. |
Comparing the two doesn't really work. Look at what Kaepernick had to work with when he came into starting position. One of the best RB's in the game, the best TE in the game, a fringe top 10 WR who became better with Kaep throwing to him, and one of the most dominant 49er defenses in franchise history.
What does Geno Smith have? Nothing. Nothing at all. That roster is pretty much devoid of any big names and any talent. No skill position players are top 10 on the ENTIRE TEAM. That's bad. Even Jacksonville has MJD.
The point is, Geno Smith is being thrown into a dumpster fire of a situation if he starts now. It's not at all like Kaepernick. Beyond that I think Kaepernick is a better player anyway. He has elite speed from 0-60yds and can outrun even some RB's in the league. I've really never seen anything like it. He reminds me of a better version of the college Vince Young. |
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green24
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Rex, Idzik, and Mornhinweg are all in favor of Geno starting, regardless of whether or not Sanchez is healthy.
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Love how any Jets news and we get flamed as if things for us are gonna be worst in the league ...
Geno has all of 1 real preseason game ... he did make some rookie mistakes but he is a rookie, and he flashed some real talent and physical ability that the stat line won't show. Also doesn't show a couple drops by receivers.
Hell Andrew luck came out and threw 3 Picks in his first regular season game and people didn't kill him over it.
Geno has the talent and we have a better OC then last year and in general are better then we were the middle of last year with all the injuries we had.
Hope Geno lights it up to prove all of you naysayers wrong |
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reckless123
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| big_palooka wrote: | | TheKillerNacho wrote: | | reckless123 wrote: | | domepatrol91 wrote: | | vikingsrule wrote: | | Does Smith's play alone, not the others around him, warrant him starting? ... Has Smith truly won the job or he is starting by default? |
Did Kaepernick earn the job or did he get his chance based on an Alex Smith injury? What about Tom Brady?
I don't think he'll turn out like either of them, I think he'll flop, but the point remains. Not all guys who get a chance to start earn it, and just because they haven't earned it didn't mean they can't make the most of it or they shouldn't get that opportunity. |
Geno isnt ready. At this point in time, does he give you the best chance to win or are you starting him because you drafted him relatively high?
Kaepernick despite not playing had a year of experience. Geno needs to sit for a year. Tom Brady the same as well. They were more ready. And who were the other back ups on their respected teams? |
This, to be honest.
Kaepernick wasn't ready to start when he first entered the league, and I see the same kind of potential from him as Geno. Hopefully for the Jets, they don't mess up his development or confidence by starting him this early. |
Geno isn't on the same planet as Kaepernick mentally. |
Geno is more pro-ready than Kaep was when he was drafted. Thats said Geno needs to sit. Hes not in the same situation.
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Geno will be fine. He'll learn from his mistakes and at least become a great game manager type. We just need our ground game to help take some of the pressure of him.
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| reckless123 wrote: | | big_palooka wrote: | | TheKillerNacho wrote: | | reckless123 wrote: | | domepatrol91 wrote: | | vikingsrule wrote: | | Does Smith's play alone, not the others around him, warrant him starting? ... Has Smith truly won the job or he is starting by default? |
Did Kaepernick earn the job or did he get his chance based on an Alex Smith injury? What about Tom Brady?
I don't think he'll turn out like either of them, I think he'll flop, but the point remains. Not all guys who get a chance to start earn it, and just because they haven't earned it didn't mean they can't make the most of it or they shouldn't get that opportunity. |
Geno isnt ready. At this point in time, does he give you the best chance to win or are you starting him because you drafted him relatively high?
Kaepernick despite not playing had a year of experience. Geno needs to sit for a year. Tom Brady the same as well. They were more ready. And who were the other back ups on their respected teams? |
This, to be honest.
Kaepernick wasn't ready to start when he first entered the league, and I see the same kind of potential from him as Geno. Hopefully for the Jets, they don't mess up his development or confidence by starting him this early. |
Geno isn't on the same planet as Kaepernick mentally. |
Geno is more pro-ready than Kaep was when he was drafted. Thats said Geno needs to sit. Hes not in the same situation. |
I'm not convinced that sitting players typically helps their development more, rather that just making their career stats look better later on and not dragging the team record down for a year or two. The Jets don't really have a good QB that is going to take them this year. I think what really matters is whether the Jets OL can hold together enough for Geno to not take a beating. Harder to learn when you're being smashed into the dirt non-stop like David Carr.
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| Bobikus wrote: | | reckless123 wrote: | | big_palooka wrote: | | TheKillerNacho wrote: | | reckless123 wrote: | | domepatrol91 wrote: | | vikingsrule wrote: | | Does Smith's play alone, not the others around him, warrant him starting? ... Has Smith truly won the job or he is starting by default? |
Did Kaepernick earn the job or did he get his chance based on an Alex Smith injury? What about Tom Brady?
I don't think he'll turn out like either of them, I think he'll flop, but the point remains. Not all guys who get a chance to start earn it, and just because they haven't earned it didn't mean they can't make the most of it or they shouldn't get that opportunity. |
Geno isnt ready. At this point in time, does he give you the best chance to win or are you starting him because you drafted him relatively high?
Kaepernick despite not playing had a year of experience. Geno needs to sit for a year. Tom Brady the same as well. They were more ready. And who were the other back ups on their respected teams? |
This, to be honest.
Kaepernick wasn't ready to start when he first entered the league, and I see the same kind of potential from him as Geno. Hopefully for the Jets, they don't mess up his development or confidence by starting him this early. |
Geno isn't on the same planet as Kaepernick mentally. |
Geno is more pro-ready than Kaep was when he was drafted. Thats said Geno needs to sit. Hes not in the same situation. |
I'm not convinced that sitting players typically helps their development more, rather that just making their career stats look better later on and not dragging the team record down for a year or two. The Jets don't really have a good QB that is going to take them this year. I think what really matters is whether the Jets OL can hold together enough for Geno to not take a beating. Harder to learn when you're being smashed into the dirt non-stop like David Carr. |
The difference between Kaepernick and Geno is that one is being handled by Jim Harbaugh and the other Rex Ryan. Jim Harbaugh is the smartest man in football. Rex Ryan has failed to put together an offensive staff.
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vikingsrule
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^ Its unfair to compare the two. Kaepernick was able to sit for a year and a half, Smith is being forced to start immediately. As you stated, Harbaugh has a history of success with QBs going back to the University of San Diego. What does Ryan and the Jets staff know about Qbs.
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| vikingsrule wrote: | | ^ Its unfair to compare the two. Kaepernick was able to sit for a year and a half, Smith is being forced to start immediately. As you stated, Harbaugh has a history of success with QBs going back to the University of San Diego. What does Ryan and the Jets staff know about Qbs. |
Marty Mornhinweg and David Lee have a lot of experience with QBs. |
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| green24 wrote: | | vikingsrule wrote: | | ^ Its unfair to compare the two. Kaepernick was able to sit for a year and a half, Smith is being forced to start immediately. As you stated, Harbaugh has a history of success with QBs going back to the University of San Diego. What does Ryan and the Jets staff know about Qbs. |
Marty Mornhinweg and David Lee have a lot of experience with QBs. |
Sure he does. Though I always wonder how much was it really about Mornhinweg and not the surrounding coaches and talent around him. He is probably best known for coaching stints in San Francisco and Philadelphia. Both those teams were mostly established with QBs or head coaches in place known for having success with QBs. His stint with the Lions was a mess.
I guess I am not too fond of Mornhinweg but will see.
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