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PostPosted: Thu Aug 29, 2013 7:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Raiiiiidersssss wrote:
big_palooka wrote:
Silver&Black88 wrote:
wizardg wrote:
TP's talent level is Jordanic. Some don't have the vision to see that his athleticsm makes his teammates better, as they say in basketball. TP makes his line and his recievers and his backs appea to be better.


Wow. Just wow. I don't even.


Right.... it's this over inflated nonsense that gets under my skin.

Why in the hell can't we just see the guy play and take it day by day. The Pryor fans are just like the Tebow fans. They just keep beating you over the head w/ their outlandish opinions until you want to puke.


I'm wondering what's going to happen if Pryor plays like he did against the Saints (who have one of the worst defenses in the NFL). Seahawks have one of the best. What if his stat line is like 7/18 90 yards and 3 picks?


Simple, it gets excused. It'll be someone's fault, not his. If Flynn did it however, he'd probably have a hit on him.
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 29, 2013 8:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Baggabonez wrote:
Raiiiiidersssss wrote:
big_palooka wrote:
Silver&Black88 wrote:
wizardg wrote:
TP's talent level is Jordanic. Some don't have the vision to see that his athleticsm makes his teammates better, as they say in basketball. TP makes his line and his recievers and his backs appea to be better.


Wow. Just wow. I don't even.


Right.... it's this over inflated nonsense that gets under my skin.

Why in the hell can't we just see the guy play and take it day by day. The Pryor fans are just like the Tebow fans. They just keep beating you over the head w/ their outlandish opinions until you want to puke.


I'm wondering what's going to happen if Pryor plays like he did against the Saints (who have one of the worst defenses in the NFL). Seahawks have one of the best. What if his stat line is like 7/18 90 yards and 3 picks?


Go directly to the apologist handbook:

WR have got to work harder to get open.
The OL has to maintain their blocks better.
Blame the playcalling.
Blame lack of support from the organization.
Blame the defense that will be on the field FOREVER with all the 3 and outs we'll see.
Blame injuries.
Cite the margin of loss as a moral victory
Cite how excited you were

or the best "go to" he just needs more time, another season, etc. etc.


This.

And add that Jordan was cut by his high school basketball team and couldn't win w/ out Scottie Pippen.
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 29, 2013 12:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

big_palooka wrote:
This.

And add that Jordan was cut by his high school basketball team and couldn't win w/ out Scottie Pippen.


Except Jordan was never cut by his high school basketball team. He played JV as a sophomore because the varsity team had 12 seniors.
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 01, 2013 3:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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dmac505 wrote:
JTagg7754 wrote:
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I will start to call Dennis Allen, Dennis the menace if he decides to roll with Flynn.

Don't count Flynn out yet though. He is "one of Reggie's guys."


Someone's out to hurt feelings.

This is the crap I was expecting. Pryor was easily the better QB last night, no question but do we all forget Flynn was easily the better QB the first two games?? My god, talk about selective memory.


I try to stay out of these debates, but gotta chime in.
First off props for giving Pryor credit in last nights game. Goes to show you can look at it objectively and not just a 'hater'.
I will say though I disagree that Flynn was easily better the first two games. Against NO both were brutal, I don't know if I can claim one was easily better then the other. They both sucked.
Against Dallas I may be wrong but I remember thinking all Flynn did was check down. More so than Campbell did when he was here, with how bad our team is that will not win games, heck it won't even make us competitive. TP moved the ball well that game, and if it wernt for that brutal int I'd say he outplayed Flynn. Obviously he threw it so is give that game to Flynn. But when you look at all games TP deserves to start against Seattle to see what he can do.

Our D is going to give up points this year. We are gonna play from behind a lot. Flynn is a good game manager, can play with a lead. Unfortunately we need a QB who can make plays.

I'm not crowning anyone the starter but I think we need to give the next start to TP


I've never been a "hater" it's just what some special people around here loved to say b/c that's what they felt was the case even though I said time and time and time again, I was not. I always give credit when it's due. I just don't fly off the handle like some. Not everything about his performance was perfect and he still makes stupid decisions but it was a good performance. It was 1 half, in a preseason game, I'm not going to act like he's a HoFer just yet like I've seen some do. He did do well though.

Both were brutal against NO but Flynn legitimately had absolutely no time at all to even do anything. The line was atrocious. But he made smart decisions, didn't try to force anything, held onto the football when he was getting knocked into December, and never turned it over. After taking a beating all game, he lead a perfect two minute drill for a score. He held his composure. That was extremely impressive. I think he was easily better w/o question last week.

My guess is Pryor will start next week. Only reason being, you rarely start your starters in week 4 of the preseason. I don't think anyone deserves anything after one half of playing well when the inconsistencies and issues are still present. Flynn has outplayed him almost the entire off-season. He still deserves to start. I look at the entire picture, not just a portion.


Man i don't know how you could not start Pryor. Outside of the fact that he's actually exciting to watch, i think Pryor makes us a competitive team. He might not win a ton of games this year but i think A. he'll win more than flynn, and B. generally keep our games closer than flynn.

A lot of other factors in favor of Pryor. For starters, our offensive line is a nightmare for pocket passers. Pryor can move and create time to get rid of the ball, Flynn just sits in the collapsing pocket and gets sacked.

Pryor is also able to make plays by himself, whether its by running the ball or scrambling until someone can get open. It's pretty common knowledge that our offense is lacking weapons and imo flynn needs those weapons to play well. Pryor seems much more capable of making things happen without them.

Plus, imo the fact that he can run adds a huge dimension to our offense. We don't have great recievers and it allows defenses to play run heavy on us (which pretty much stops our run). The fact that defenses now have to deal with someone outside of McFadden, a QB that can not only run but take it to the house when he does, is only gonna open things up for the rest of our offense.

IMO if Dennis the Menace starts Flynn long enough to knock us out of playoff contention that will be the end of his career in Oakland, especially if Pryor wins a few once he sees the field. I can't see anyway Flynn starts/stays healthy for an entire season.
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I'm with you attack!!
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 04, 2013 9:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

attack_in_s/b wrote:

Man i don't know how you could not start Pryor.


B/c he wasn't very good in games. It's really that simple.

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Outside of the fact that he's actually exciting to watch, i think Pryor makes us a competitive team. He might not win a ton of games this year but i think A. he'll win more than flynn, and B. generally keep our games closer than flynn.


You think a guy who takes more chances and isn't very good will keep us in more games than a guy who is known to be smart w/ the football?

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A lot of other factors in favor of Pryor. For starters, our offensive line is a nightmare for pocket passers. Pryor can move and create time to get rid of the ball, Flynn just sits in the collapsing pocket and gets sacked.


Half the time Flynn didn't even have time to move the rushers got there so fast. Essentially though, you're right.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 04, 2013 5:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

[quote="JTagg7754"]
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A lot of other factors in favor of Pryor. For starters, our offensive line is a nightmare for pocket passers. Pryor can move and create time to get rid of the ball, Flynn just sits in the collapsing pocket and gets sacked.


Half the time Flynn didn't even have time to move the rushers got there so fast. Essentially though, you're right.


In a Vince Young/Tebow-esque offense blitzing creates the running lanes required for Pryor to be successful. If opponents blitz Pryor he will find some marginal success. However, if a "contained" pass rush is deployed Pryor will be forced to make reads from the pocket. Hopefully, he will not stand in the pocket patting the ball waiting to be sacked the way his predecessor did. My question is how many games in will it be before a "contained" pass rush is deployed? For VY it wasn't until year 2.
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[quote="Baggabonez"]
JTagg7754 wrote:
attack_in_s/b wrote:

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A lot of other factors in favor of Pryor. For starters, our offensive line is a nightmare for pocket passers. Pryor can move and create time to get rid of the ball, Flynn just sits in the collapsing pocket and gets sacked.


Half the time Flynn didn't even have time to move the rushers got there so fast. Essentially though, you're right.


In a Vince Young/Tebow-esque offense blitzing creates the running lanes required for Pryor to be successful. If opponents blitz Pryor he will find some marginal success. However, if a "contained" pass rush is deployed Pryor will be forced to make reads from the pocket. Hopefully, he will not stand in the pocket patting the ball waiting to be sacked the way his predecessor did. My question is how many games in will it be before a "contained" pass rush is deployed? For VY it wasn't until year 2.


Week #2 against the Jags. Gus Bradley came from SEA. Fortunatley I do not think they have enough talent to pull it off. DEN will try but Del Rio wont be able to help himself from diverging from the gameplan. I think WASH has the best first shot at shutting him down.
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I like that Flynn is getting reps as holder - nice to have a QB holding, ats trick play potential
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I think Flynn may be a good QB coach for someone.
He'll be auditioning for the rest of this season.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 03, 2013 4:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

JTagg7754 wrote:
Raiiiiidersssss wrote:
big_palooka wrote:
Silver&Black88 wrote:
wizardg wrote:
TP's talent level is Jordanic. Some don't have the vision to see that his athleticsm makes his teammates better, as they say in basketball. TP makes his line and his recievers and his backs appea to be better.


Wow. Just wow. I don't even.


Right.... it's this over inflated nonsense that gets under my skin.

Why in the hell can't we just see the guy play and take it day by day. The Pryor fans are just like the Tebow fans. They just keep beating you over the head w/ their outlandish opinions until you want to puke.


I'm wondering what's going to happen if Pryor plays like he did against the Saints (who have one of the worst defenses in the NFL).
Seahawks have one of the best. What if his stat line is like 7/18 90 yards and 3 picks?


Simple, it gets excused. It'll be someone's fault, not his. If Flynn did it however, he'd probably have a hit on him.


Saints defense has been one of the very very best in the NFL thru four games. not even close to fair to call them one of the worst defenses in the NFL
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Since digging up posts from the past, here's another gem from one our posters

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You think a guy who takes more chances and isn't very good will keep us in more games than a guy who is known to be smart w/ the football?


Smart with the football? What would even give you that idea? He only started twice in his NFL career and turned the ball over in both games...and behold first start for us and more turnovers. Just another claim of yours that holds no weight, that you just make up.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 03, 2013 6:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Burgesskills wrote:
Since digging up posts from the past, here's another gem from one our posters

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You think a guy who takes more chances and isn't very good will keep us in more games than a guy who is known to be smart w/ the football?


Smart with the football? What would even give you that idea? He only started twice in his NFL career and turned the ball over in both games...and behold first start for us and more turnovers. Just another claim of yours that holds no weight, that you just make up.
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raidr4life wrote:
Burgesskills wrote:
Since digging up posts from the past, here's another gem from one our posters

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You think a guy who takes more chances and isn't very good will keep us in more games than a guy who is known to be smart w/ the football?


Smart with the football? What would even give you that idea? He only started twice in his NFL career and turned the ball over in both games...and behold first start for us and more turnovers. Just another claim of yours that holds no weight, that you just make up.
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LOL The intellect I deal w/ sometimes......

In Flynn's two starts prior to Washington's, he was averaging an INT every 41 attempts. Now I know these are skewed but since you two are trying your hardest to give me crap, Brady's is 48, Manning's is 38, and Big Ben's in 35. If you wish, go do some more.

I stand by what I said and thank you two for proving yourselves, again. Make up stuff?? LOL. The laughs are good here. Back to not responding to you two.
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JTagg7754 wrote:
raidr4life wrote:
Burgesskills wrote:
Since digging up posts from the past, here's another gem from one our posters

Quote:


You think a guy who takes more chances and isn't very good will keep us in more games than a guy who is known to be smart w/ the football?


Smart with the football? What would even give you that idea? He only started twice in his NFL career and turned the ball over in both games...and behold first start for us and more turnovers. Just another claim of yours that holds no weight, that you just make up.
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LOL The intellect I deal w/ sometimes......

In Flynn's two starts prior to Washington's, he was averaging an INT every 41 attempts. Now I know these are skewed but since you two are trying your hardest to give me crap, Brady's is 48, Manning's is 38, and Big Ben's in 35. If you wish, go do some more.

I stand by what I said and thank you two for proving yourselves, again. Make up stuff?? LOL. The laughs are good here. Back to not responding to you two.


OT

Tagg..

There is someone on RFN, named Geronimo, who is doing a PERFECT JTagg impersonation. I mean the exact same points are being stated, OSU fan background, etc etc.

Either thats you or a lot of Raider fans from Ohio share very similar opinions Wink
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