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FourThreeMafia


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PostPosted: Fri Aug 30, 2013 11:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Because the Steeler fans wildly over value their own draft picks. You act like all the other teams are just waiting to get whomever the Steelers release. The Bengals have much better team with a lot of depth. They will be releasing some very good players. Go to their forum and their fans will be saying the same thing.

All the teams will be releasing and signing PS players. I seriously doubt that some GM is just waiting to sign Hawthorn before the Steelers can do it.

Hawthorn has shown nothing. If the Steelers keep Dwyer I will put money that they do not keep Hawthorne.


And what has Victorian shown? He was undrafted, cut by 3 teams, and has been here longer than Hawthorne and has shown just as little. Hawthorne has shown nothing, but at least is a rookie with alot more upside than Victorian ever had.. Alot of rookies dont show much right away.

Also, I think YOU overestimate the depth teams have, especially at CB. There are teams that have less than we do and will be looking for 4th or 5th corner. The Bengals have better depth at certain positions, but not so much in the players they will be releasing. The players they will release or put on their PS arent much better than ours.

Maybe Hawthorne wouldnt be picked up off our PS. Im not saying it would be a certainty, but it wouldnt shock me either, and I personally wouldnt take the chance.

Its not worth arguing since in the end, we are just guessing on all of this, but I am pretty much certain they will keep Hawthorne on.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 30, 2013 11:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

FourThreeMafia wrote:

Maybe Hawthorne wouldnt be picked up off our PS. Im not saying it would be a certainty, but it wouldnt shock me either, and I personally wouldnt take the chance.


THAT RIGHT THERE. You're absolutely right on everything you said but especially this. Why take the risk of losing out on a draft pick and...just sayin' but look at all of the things Alameda Ta'amu has been through and they STILL keep him around, correct me if I'm wrong but..he was selected in the same round as Hawthorne correct? My point there simply is that, if they're willing to keep a guy around that has shown nothing but immaturity, why wouldn't they keep a guy around that has potential but the only thing that has stopped him from showing more of it, is the injury he suffered?

It just doesn't make sense me to jebrick, your logic, it doesn't make any sense at all. Most of us sat here all season long talking about how we're sick of how lazy and out of shape Dwyer is, and yes, i did say when I saw him at Training Camp, I thought he looked better, but the fact is, I thought everyone looked great, I was excited to be there, it's the first time I've seen the Steelers THAT close up, so honestly...I don't have a ton to compare it to. Seeing them in person and seeing them on tv...two completely different things.

I like Jones making our roster if he does. I'm not saying Felix Jones is the 'holy grail' but he's different imo. Could add a spark, Tomlin spoke highly of his efforts after the Carolina game. He also said he was pleased that some players are making his cut decisions very difficult, I'm sure one of those guys he's talking about is Moye.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 30, 2013 1:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Redman and Dwyer are the same back. Plus they will keep Bell who is a better version of Dwyer and Redman. Dwyer keeps putting the ball on the ground. I think he is gone IF they only keep 5 RB. Jones is a good change up back if LSH can't go for a while. The only chance Dwyer has IMHO, is the injuries to Bell and LSH will keep the out for a month.

OL I'm fairly sure they will just keep 8. There just is no difference between the 9th guy they could keep and some guy they pick up off the street.

I disagree with the draft picks vs UDFA. Do any of you think they would risk Arnfelt on the PS? How about Baxter? Two UDFA who have DOMINATED when given a chance.

My list only has 52 so they could add Hawthorn or Dunn or Dwyer. i worry that they will drop Moye, who is another UDFA who has shown what he can do and would get picked up by another team.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 30, 2013 1:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Redman and Dwyer are the same back. Plus they will keep Bell who is a better version of Dwyer and Redman. Dwyer keeps putting the ball on the ground. I think he is gone IF they only keep 5 RB. Jones is a good change up back if LSH can't go for a while. The only chance Dwyer has IMHO, is the injuries to Bell and LSH will keep the out for a month.

OL I'm fairly sure they will just keep 8. There just is no difference between the 9th guy they could keep and some guy they pick up off the street.

I disagree with the draft picks vs UDFA. Do any of you think they would risk Arnfelt on the PS? How about Baxter? Two UDFA who have DOMINATED when given a chance.

My list only has 52 so they could add Hawthorn or Dunn or Dwyer. i worry that they will drop Moye, who is another UDFA who has shown what he can do and would get picked up by another team.


Of those 3, It's Hawthorne imo.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 30, 2013 2:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Does Dunn really have a chance? The little i got to watch of the games this pre season i never got the opportunity to actually see him return.

Is he KR only? If so, I would much rather carry Moye or Brown over him. Id much rather Jones/LSH/Sanders be our kick returners and carry another receiver who can actually help on offense.

With Miller and possibly even Speath on the active roster and running backs who dont really help on Special teams outside of returning i am not in favor of keeping a KR only at the expense of another player who can benefit us in other ways.

Now if he is honestly lighting the world on fire returning (i havent read that he is, but like i said i havent seen him) then I would take him. But if not, i would have to say pass.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 30, 2013 3:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

LSH has 3 kickoff returns for TD's in 4 seasons along with 8 returns over 40 yards. Why would anyone want Dunn to take up a spot when you have someone capable/dangerous who can fill the role nicely? Unless he was Hester-like (and no one will be that with the Steelers blocking), there's no point.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 30, 2013 3:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Spaeth will be on the 53 then put on IR scheduled to return and they will then bring another player in. I hope it is Palmer who has been much better than Paulson this preseason.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 30, 2013 5:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

A TE has a job to also catch passes.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 30, 2013 9:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dcash4 wrote:
Does Dunn really have a chance? The little i got to watch of the games this pre season i never got the opportunity to actually see him return.

Is he KR only? If so, I would much rather carry Moye or Brown over him. Id much rather Jones/LSH/Sanders be our kick returners and carry another receiver who can actually help on offense.

With Miller and possibly even Speath on the active roster and running backs who dont really help on Special teams outside of returning i am not in favor of keeping a KR only at the expense of another player who can benefit us in other ways.

Now if he is honestly lighting the world on fire returning (i havent read that he is, but like i said i havent seen him) then I would take him. But if not, i would have to say pass.


I can't see Dunn making the team and I would be very surprised if he did. Like you and others have mentioned it's not like the team doesn't have people who can return kicks plus they can do other things as well. To me it would be a wasted roster spot to keep him especially with the frequency of touchbacks now in today's game.
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 31, 2013 12:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

QB: Roethlisberger, Gradkowski, Landry (3)
RB: Bell, Dwyer, Redman, Jones, LSH, Will Johnson (6)
WR: Brown, Sanders, Wheaton, Cotchery, Moye (5)
TE: Miller, Paulson, Johnson, Spaeth (waiting for IR) (3)
OL: Adams, Gilbert, Foster, Pouncey, Decastro, Beachum, Whimper, Malecki ( 8 )

Total=25

DL: Keisel, Hood, Heyward, Woods, McClendon, Fangupo, Arnfelt (7)
OLB: Jones, Woodley, Baxter, Woirlds, Carter (5)
ILB: Foote, Timmons, McFadden, Williams, Rolle (5)
CB: Taylor, Allen, Gay, Brown, Hawthorne (5)
S: Polamalu, Clark, Golden, Thomas (4)

Total=25

K: Suisham (1)
P: Butler (1)
LS: Warren (1)

I think they bring up another OL after they IR Spaeth. Possibly sign another OL or TE until Miller is ready to roll. Most likely OL. Equal bodies to the offense and defense.

The 10 LB's is where I'm breaking the mold here. Typically 9 are kept. Usually it's another DB filling out the roster. I think they keep Rolle for special teams, but won't want to get rid of Williams who has looked good. Baxter made Arob expendable and has been good from start to finish in camp. They usually keep 5 OLB's.

Fangupo has looked better than Ta'amu. He is a character guy who you don't have to worry about.
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 31, 2013 3:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hawthorne certainly shouldn't be on the PS. He'd get snatched up I'm certain by some team with poor CB depth. I think Brown and Hawthorne have more upside even if them nor Victorian have shown much yet. If they want to keep Victorian, using CK's roster as a basis, I'd drop Jones probably before another CB anyway, and hope that between the 3 young CBs someone shows enough to push Gay out of being the slot/nickel guy.
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 31, 2013 5:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dcash4 wrote:
Does Dunn really have a chance? The little i got to watch of the games this pre season i never got the opportunity to actually see him return.

Is he KR only? If so, I would much rather carry Moye or Brown over him. Id much rather Jones/LSH/Sanders be our kick returners and carry another receiver who can actually help on offense.

With Miller and possibly even Speath on the active roster and running backs who dont really help on Special teams outside of returning i am not in favor of keeping a KR only at the expense of another player who can benefit us in other ways.

Now if he is honestly lighting the world on fire returning (i havent read that he is, but like i said i havent seen him) then I would take him. But if not, i would have to say pass.

The thing about all this "can help us in other ways" is all well and good, but how much will a 5th true receiver actually help the team? How many snaps will he play? How many catches will he make? It's likely that Reggie Dunn would earn FAR more yards on returns for the team than a 5th receiver would earn on receiving yards.
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 31, 2013 8:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dunn has no place on this roster other than the PS if that...
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 31, 2013 8:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 31, 2013 9:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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The thing about all this "can help us in other ways" is all well and good, but how much will a 5th true receiver actually help the team? How many snaps will he play? How many catches will he make? It's likely that Reggie Dunn would earn FAR more yards on returns for the team than a 5th receiver would earn on receiving yards.


You could also look at like this. Dunn is purely a return guy who offers nothing else on the roster, now or in the future. Multiple other guys can fill that role. How many more yards would Dunn get than another returner?

You keep Moye because he can play special teams. He has size and some speed to go with good hands and body control. He has the potential to develop. Whatever he does this year as a 5th WR is gravy. If anyone gets injured this year, his snaps would look to increase.

Beyond that, what is the fascination with Dunn? He did nothing this pre-season and made several horrible decisions. The team has tried this return specialist thing a number of times, and it's never amounted to much.
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