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PostPosted: Tue Sep 10, 2013 5:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Flat out, the coaching staff shouldn't listen to a word that comes out of Griffin's mouth in regards to his own health.
I definitely agree with this.

Rg3 started all this with his "All in for week 1" Addidas add.

Well he sure got his humble pie served up to him last night.

The thing is that RG3 was healthy, let me repeat, he was healthy enough to play but he didn't trust the knee- it was all mental!

He wasn't stepping through on his throws so passes were sailing on him, he was afraid to expose the knee while following through, he was afraid to run because of the criticism everyone has put on him and the organization for him running so much, he wasn't himself.

He was handcuffed last night in his mind. It was not physical. He got hit on the leg several times and it was never injured, he made a few sharp cuts int he second half on the leg (way sharper than the last month of last year) and he didn't hurt the leg.

The only time he bucked over was when he put all of his pressure on the leg and jumped sideways while throwing the ball away when Kendricks hit him. It was a very awkward almost horizontal push off/leap he made with his right leg and then Kendricks can down on him and rolled him over.

Unlike the playoff game though, he came back in the second half and was stronger and more comfortable than he was in the first half.

Rg3 is going to have to get the cobwebs out of his game and this offense is going to have to get in sync, whether it was week 1 vs Philly or week 6 vs the Dallas, I would have expected a similar performance from a second year Qb coming off a torn LCL and repaired ACL who didn't trust his knee and hadnt played a NFL game since January.

Whether it was week 1 without him playing or week 17 without him playing all year.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 10, 2013 6:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Griffins physically healthy. Mentally, he is not.

But hey, he'll just get over that by riding the pine, righit?


its why some of us wanted him out there in preseason.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 10, 2013 6:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

21 ALL THE WAY wrote:
I personally wouldn't have mind If Cousins started the season, but to take Griffin out now and have Cousins to start the next couple of games or so would just bring uneccessary drama that we don't need. Griffin looked timid and out of sink in the first half, but looked more like himself during the second half. This is why I wanted to see him at least one half of a game in the preseason. So we would know for sure in real live action how he would perform "not what he nor Shannahan said he was capable of doing" I suspect a better performance next week with this team goals set high and losing a game many thought was in the bags for the Skins. Lets see other teams face the fast pace offense of the Eagles before we knock our D too much. I don't care what anyone says, you can't just adjust from usually expecting the snap to take place with about 5-8 seconds left on the offense playclock to them snapping the ball with about 15-20 seconds left snap after snap. Tackling is a huge thing we need to improve but I expect a heavy dose of pressure applied to Rodgers. Kerrigan is really becoming his own man and may seriously become opposing teams guy to look out for opening more sack opportunities for our other guys.


i agree. now that we've started him, he needs to stay in. He needs to shake the rust off now so he can return to form as soon as possible,
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 11, 2013 12:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thaiphoon wrote:
Brian23 wrote:
Griffins physically healthy. Mentally, he is not.

But hey, he'll just get over that by riding the pine, righit?


its why some of us wanted him out there in preseason.


What if he wasn't medically cleared for those? I'm not saying he could or couldn't have been, but if he wasn't cleared he wasn't cleared and he apparently wasn't cleared till after the last game and even than (supposedly) there were some concerns.
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Healthy players need preseason games to shake the rust off.

Players coming from a knee injury with a long rehab process need far more than a bunch of snaps in preseason games.
I already wrote that and repeat it again here:

it will take months, if not the whole season, before RG3 comes back 100%.

Any dispute about playing or not playing preseason games is useless (and late, of course).
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I didn't see a physically healthy Robert Griffin III on Monday night. Phsyically healthy RGIII doesn't get run down by linebackers. Physically healthy RGIII can step in to his throwns.

He's not healthy. He may not be limping, but he's not ready to do what he needs to do in order to win.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 11, 2013 7:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Brian23 wrote:
Thaiphoon wrote:
Brian23 wrote:
Griffins physically healthy. Mentally, he is not.

But hey, he'll just get over that by riding the pine, righit?


its why some of us wanted him out there in preseason.


What if he wasn't medically cleared for those? I'm not saying he could or couldn't have been, but if he wasn't cleared he wasn't cleared and he apparently wasn't cleared till after the last game and even than (supposedly) there were some concerns.


I have a bridge to sell anyone who believes that "poof', miraculously just after the last preseason game, that he was medically cleared and that the doctors couldn't or wouldn't have cleared him before then if they were going to clear him for Week 1.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 11, 2013 7:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Geronimo wrote:
Healthy players need preseason games to shake the rust off.

Players coming from a knee injury with a long rehab process need far more than a bunch of snaps in preseason games.
I already wrote that and repeat it again here:

it will take months, if not the whole season, before RG3 comes back 100%.

Any dispute about playing or not playing preseason games is useless (and late, of course).


I agree with the Red. However, if you're going to play him when the knee is not as healthy and you know the rust is going to be a part of it. Why not limit having that rust hurt you in a game. In essence, why have a player not healthy AND giving the game away like he did in the first quarter?

Oh and per the bolded, we argued about this before the Iggles game. So no, its not late. Its just continuing.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 11, 2013 8:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Slateman wrote:
I didn't see a physically healthy Robert Griffin III on Monday night. Phsyically healthy RGIII doesn't get run down by linebackers. Physically healthy RGIII can step in to his throwns.

He's not healthy. He may not be limping, but he's not ready to do what he needs to do in order to win.


What? He got chased down once and he was slowing up and looking down the field.

Secondly, he wasn't finishing his mechanics because of his mental baggage. He just doesn't trust the knee so he's not following through as he should and using only his arm to toss the ball. That's mental, not a physical problem.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 11, 2013 8:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thaiphoon wrote:
Brian23 wrote:
Thaiphoon wrote:
Brian23 wrote:
Griffins physically healthy. Mentally, he is not.

But hey, he'll just get over that by riding the pine, righit?


its why some of us wanted him out there in preseason.


What if he wasn't medically cleared for those? I'm not saying he could or couldn't have been, but if he wasn't cleared he wasn't cleared and he apparently wasn't cleared till after the last game and even than (supposedly) there were some concerns.


I have a bridge to sell anyone who believes that "poof', miraculously just after the last preseason game, that he was medically cleared and that the doctors couldn't or wouldn't have cleared him before then if they were going to clear him for Week 1.


Err. Its very possible that he wasn't actually cleared till that point, or the point leading up to the last game. I'm not saying its the most probable, but its very possible. Hell, he's very early for an ACL return anyway.

On top of that, can you imagine the outrage if he had some how injured himself playing in the pre-season after all that? Shanahan would be absolutely run out of town.
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Thaiphoon wrote:
Geronimo wrote:
Healthy players need preseason games to shake the rust off.

Players coming from a knee injury with a long rehab process need far more than a bunch of snaps in preseason games.
I already wrote that and repeat it again here:

it will take months, if not the whole season, before RG3 comes back 100%.

...


I agree with the Red. However, if you're going to play him when the knee is not as healthy and you know the rust is going to be a part of it. Why not limit having that rust hurt you in a game. In essence, why have a player not healthy AND giving the game away like he did in the first quarter?

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Health comes first. Players should never play if they are not healthy and coming back from a serious injury.

We should always remind to ourselves that being healthy and being in football shape are two different situations. The former occurs before the latter.

So, when RG3 was declared healthy, he could start to get into football shape, which, as you agree, needs a lot of time. How can he do that? Training and playing, I do not see any other way. were there exhibition games after he was cleared? No. Should he wait until next exhibition games to start playing?
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Brian23 wrote:
Thaiphoon wrote:
Brian23 wrote:
Griffins physically healthy. Mentally, he is not.

But hey, he'll just get over that by riding the pine, righit?


its why some of us wanted him out there in preseason.


What if he wasn't medically cleared for those? I'm not saying he could or couldn't have been, but if he wasn't cleared he wasn't cleared and he apparently wasn't cleared till after the last game and even than (supposedly) there were some concerns.
that's the thing Thai is missing. RG3 wasn't medically cleared to play in the preseason. If he had played in the third or even forth preseason game you're talking about 2 or 3 weeks difference in recovery time from those preseason games till Sept 9th.

Rg3 was not cleared to play. It's true they didn't entertain the thought, but for good reason, they didn't want to risk injury, they wanted to bring him back slowly.
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Geronimo wrote:
Healthy players need preseason games to shake the rust off.

Players coming from a knee injury with a long rehab process need far more than a bunch of snaps in preseason games.
I already wrote that and repeat it again here:

it will take months, if not the whole season, before RG3 comes back 100%.

Any dispute about playing or not playing preseason games is useless (and late, of course).
boom Geronimooooooo!

I saw your in Italy. That's awesome! We're you born there or just moved there for work or something?

Every single player that has reconstructive knee surgery is not the same when they first come back from the injury, it at least takes half a year if not a whole year till the player is totally back, till the trust is back in that knee and they're totally comfortable.

Just look at Jarvis Jenkins the first half of last year vs. the second half. Look at how Meriweather is struggling to get back. Everyone expects RG3 to be superhuman, well he's not- he's made of flesh, bone and ligaments like the rest of us.

All that being said, I don't think he's totally 100%, I think he's close. Probably in the 90 percentile somewhere.
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