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bitty


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PostPosted: Tue Aug 20, 2013 5:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Baggabonez wrote:
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I think both trenches are the biggest need the Raiders have had for the last ten years and yes I would hate to attempt to develop Bridgewater under these conditions.


FIFY

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After all, most forget that all the most effective running QBs (Keapernick & Russell) went to teams already stacked on offense.

I didn't write that
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Jason Pierre Paul had 6.5 sacks his whole last year at south Florida. He went top 20 and its safe to say Clown is a way better player than he was in college.
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big_palooka wrote:
bitty wrote:
Silver&Black88 wrote:
bitty wrote:
91jmay wrote:
If our staff is 100% sold that Teddy is a franchise, all pro calibre QB then yes you 100% take him, but if there is any doubt you draft Clowney.


We have to wait until after the season but as of right now he's looking like the real deal.


That's what they said about Tyler Wilson....


That's why they play the games?
It not like all the excuses you guys make for Clowney.
The coach call him out for not practicing hard, that ok he doesn't want to be a college.
He had 6.5 sack over 10 game, that's Ok he runs a 4.4.
In the bowl game against Michigan he didn't show up.
He had 3 tackles 2 TFL and 0 sacks, but did you see the hit he had when they didn't block him.
These are big RED FLAGS and no one cares.


HA.... see this is what a bias position looks like. The reason 'they didn't block him' was because he was so quick off the ball, the pulling guard couldn't get to the gap in time. Result.... made a huge play for his team.

These are not red flags. You have a guy who is a man among boys who yeah, might lose some interest at times because he's ready to play against the big boys.


More of the myth of Clowney.
So that's not the FB running right by him?
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=gC44nP7ClxM&desktop_uri=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DgC44nP7ClxM


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DirtyHarry wrote:
Jason Pierre Paul had 6.5 sacks his whole last year at south Florida. He went top 20 and its safe to say Clown is a way better player than he was in college.


Mario Williams only had 6.0 sacks as a sophomore and then had 14 sacks as a junior and went number one overall.
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Bo_Spice wrote:
DirtyHarry wrote:
Jason Pierre Paul had 6.5 sacks his whole last year at south Florida. He went top 20 and its safe to say Clown is a way better player than he was in college.


Mario Williams only had 6.0 sacks as a sophomore and then had 14 sacks as a junior and went number one overall.


And how did that workout for he Texans?

Not that good 49.5 sacks over 6 years.
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bitty wrote:
Bo_Spice wrote:
DirtyHarry wrote:
Jason Pierre Paul had 6.5 sacks his whole last year at south Florida. He went top 20 and its safe to say Clown is a way better player than he was in college.


Mario Williams only had 6.0 sacks as a sophomore and then had 14 sacks as a junior and went number one overall.


And how did that workout for he Texans?

Not that good 49.5 sacks over 6 years.


You're right Bitty. Clowney sucks as a player and as a prospect. Why anyone would even waste a draft pick on him is beyond me.
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bitty wrote:
Bo_Spice wrote:
DirtyHarry wrote:
Jason Pierre Paul had 6.5 sacks his whole last year at south Florida. He went top 20 and its safe to say Clown is a way better player than he was in college.


Mario Williams only had 6.0 sacks as a sophomore and then had 14 sacks as a junior and went number one overall.


And how did that workout for he Texans?

Not that good 49.5 sacks over 6 years.


Not as bad as u make it sound. I suppose Reggie bush would of been a better pick lol.
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bitty wrote:
big_palooka wrote:
bitty wrote:
Silver&Black88 wrote:
bitty wrote:
91jmay wrote:
If our staff is 100% sold that Teddy is a franchise, all pro calibre QB then yes you 100% take him, but if there is any doubt you draft Clowney.


We have to wait until after the season but as of right now he's looking like the real deal.


That's what they said about Tyler Wilson....


That's why they play the games?
It not like all the excuses you guys make for Clowney.
The coach call him out for not practicing hard, that ok he doesn't want to be a college.
He had 6.5 sack over 10 game, that's Ok he runs a 4.4.
In the bowl game against Michigan he didn't show up.
He had 3 tackles 2 TFL and 0 sacks, but did you see the hit he had when they didn't block him.
These are big RED FLAGS and no one cares.


HA.... see this is what a bias position looks like. The reason 'they didn't block him' was because he was so quick off the ball, the pulling guard couldn't get to the gap in time. Result.... made a huge play for his team.

These are not red flags. You have a guy who is a man among boys who yeah, might lose some interest at times because he's ready to play against the big boys.


More of the myth of Clowney.
So that's not the FB running right by him?
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=gC44nP7ClxM&desktop_uri=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DgC44nP7ClxM


You are such a hater.

That FB didn't have any responsibility to Clowney and that is blatantly obvious. The pulling G was responsible but Clowney was so quick he blew past the point of attack before the pulling G could get there.

Nice try though.

Also.... Love how you managed to totally ignore my Arkansas post that debunked your other attempts at hating on Clowney. You silence says it all I need to know.
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Bo_Spice wrote:
bitty wrote:
Bo_Spice wrote:
DirtyHarry wrote:
Jason Pierre Paul had 6.5 sacks his whole last year at south Florida. He went top 20 and its safe to say Clown is a way better player than he was in college.


Mario Williams only had 6.0 sacks as a sophomore and then had 14 sacks as a junior and went number one overall.


And how did that workout for he Texans?

Not that good 49.5 sacks over 6 years.


You're right Bitty. Clowney sucks as a player and as a prospect. Why anyone would even waste a draft pick on him is beyond me.


Never said that, he's a great prospect but he needs work.
Everyone gets mad when I say Clowney needs work.
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Bo_Spice wrote:
bitty wrote:
Bo_Spice wrote:
DirtyHarry wrote:
Jason Pierre Paul had 6.5 sacks his whole last year at south Florida. He went top 20 and its safe to say Clown is a way better player than he was in college.


Mario Williams only had 6.0 sacks as a sophomore and then had 14 sacks as a junior and went number one overall.


And how did that workout for he Texans?

Not that good 49.5 sacks over 6 years.


You're right Bitty. Clowney sucks as a player and as a prospect. Why anyone would even waste a draft pick on him is beyond me.


Never said that, he's a great prospect but he needs work.
Everyone gets mad when I say Clowney needs work.
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big_palooka wrote:
bitty wrote:
big_palooka wrote:
bitty wrote:
Silver&Black88 wrote:
bitty wrote:
91jmay wrote:
If our staff is 100% sold that Teddy is a franchise, all pro calibre QB then yes you 100% take him, but if there is any doubt you draft Clowney.


We have to wait until after the season but as of right now he's looking like the real deal.


That's what they said about Tyler Wilson....


That's why they play the games?
It not like all the excuses you guys make for Clowney.
The coach call him out for not practicing hard, that ok he doesn't want to be a college.
He had 6.5 sack over 10 game, that's Ok he runs a 4.4.
In the bowl game against Michigan he didn't show up.
He had 3 tackles 2 TFL and 0 sacks, but did you see the hit he had when they didn't block him.
These are big RED FLAGS and no one cares.


HA.... see this is what a bias position looks like. The reason 'they didn't block him' was because he was so quick off the ball, the pulling guard couldn't get to the gap in time. Result.... made a huge play for his team.

These are not red flags. You have a guy who is a man among boys who yeah, might lose some interest at times because he's ready to play against the big boys.


More of the myth of Clowney.
So that's not the FB running right by him?
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=gC44nP7ClxM&desktop_uri=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DgC44nP7ClxM


You are such a hater.

That FB didn't have any responsibility to Clowney and that is blatantly obvious. The pulling G was responsible but Clowney was so quick he blew past the point of attack before the pulling G could get there.

Nice try though.

Also.... Love how you managed to totally ignore my Arkansas post that debunked your other attempts at hating on Clowney. You silence says it all I need to know.


You're kidding me right.
When is ok to let a player run untouched into the backfield.
Was the G slow pulling yes should the FB have blocked the DE running into the backfield yes.
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Clowney path to destruction starts next Thursday against N.C.
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bitty wrote:
big_palooka wrote:
bitty wrote:
big_palooka wrote:
bitty wrote:
Silver&Black88 wrote:
bitty wrote:
91jmay wrote:
If our staff is 100% sold that Teddy is a franchise, all pro calibre QB then yes you 100% take him, but if there is any doubt you draft Clowney.


We have to wait until after the season but as of right now he's looking like the real deal.


That's what they said about Tyler Wilson....


That's why they play the games?
It not like all the excuses you guys make for Clowney.
The coach call him out for not practicing hard, that ok he doesn't want to be a college.
He had 6.5 sack over 10 game, that's Ok he runs a 4.4.
In the bowl game against Michigan he didn't show up.
He had 3 tackles 2 TFL and 0 sacks, but did you see the hit he had when they didn't block him.
These are big RED FLAGS and no one cares.


HA.... see this is what a bias position looks like. The reason 'they didn't block him' was because he was so quick off the ball, the pulling guard couldn't get to the gap in time. Result.... made a huge play for his team.

These are not red flags. You have a guy who is a man among boys who yeah, might lose some interest at times because he's ready to play against the big boys.


More of the myth of Clowney.
So that's not the FB running right by him?
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=gC44nP7ClxM&desktop_uri=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DgC44nP7ClxM


You are such a hater.

That FB didn't have any responsibility to Clowney and that is blatantly obvious. The pulling G was responsible but Clowney was so quick he blew past the point of attack before the pulling G could get there.

Nice try though.

Also.... Love how you managed to totally ignore my Arkansas post that debunked your other attempts at hating on Clowney. You silence says it all I need to know.


You're kidding me right.
When is ok to let a player run untouched into the backfield.
Was the G slow pulling yes should the FB have blocked the DE running into the backfield yes.


bitty.... you are the ONLY person here who would put that on the FB. The FB's responsibility is the outside edge, which is directly where he goes to block (his assignment).

Clowney is off the ball so fast the pulling G can do nothing but watch as evident the play.

Show of hands..... anyone else here watch that hit against Michigan and blame the FB for that play?

It's amazing to me you want to be 'that' hater on Clowney. You can recognize how quick he exploded off the ball into the backfield on that play. You are the 1% in this case. That was a fantastic play and everyone knows it and has discussed it at length and I've yet to hear anyone blame the FB. Laughing Laughing
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bitty wrote:
Never said that, he's a great prospect but he needs work.
Everyone gets mad when I say Clowney needs work.


There is no such thing as a perfect prospect, every player can get better. The physical tools and production that Clowney brings to the table come around in a defensive end prospect once every ten to fifteen years. And with a guy like Clowney it's not even all about the production it's about the impact he has when he's on the field. Offenses literally run plays to keep the ball away from Clowney and double/triple team him regularly which opens up opportunities for his teammates.
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big_palooka wrote:
bitty wrote:
big_palooka wrote:
bitty wrote:
big_palooka wrote:
bitty wrote:
Silver&Black88 wrote:
bitty wrote:
91jmay wrote:
If our staff is 100% sold that Teddy is a franchise, all pro calibre QB then yes you 100% take him, but if there is any doubt you draft Clowney.


We have to wait until after the season but as of right now he's looking like the real deal.


That's what they said about Tyler Wilson....


That's why they play the games?
It not like all the excuses you guys make for Clowney.
The coach call him out for not practicing hard, that ok he doesn't want to be a college.
He had 6.5 sack over 10 game, that's Ok he runs a 4.4.
In the bowl game against Michigan he didn't show up.
He had 3 tackles 2 TFL and 0 sacks, but did you see the hit he had when they didn't block him.
These are big RED FLAGS and no one cares.


HA.... see this is what a bias position looks like. The reason 'they didn't block him' was because he was so quick off the ball, the pulling guard couldn't get to the gap in time. Result.... made a huge play for his team.

These are not red flags. You have a guy who is a man among boys who yeah, might lose some interest at times because he's ready to play against the big boys.


More of the myth of Clowney.
So that's not the FB running right by him?
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=gC44nP7ClxM&desktop_uri=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DgC44nP7ClxM


You are such a hater.

That FB didn't have any responsibility to Clowney and that is blatantly obvious. The pulling G was responsible but Clowney was so quick he blew past the point of attack before the pulling G could get there.

Nice try though.

Also.... Love how you managed to totally ignore my Arkansas post that debunked your other attempts at hating on Clowney. You silence says it all I need to know.


You're kidding me right.
When is ok to let a player run untouched into the backfield.
Was the G slow pulling yes should the FB have blocked the DE running into the backfield yes.


bitty.... you are the ONLY person here who would put that on the FB. The FB's responsibility is the outside edge, which is directly where he goes to block (his assignment).

Clowney is off the ball so fast the pulling G can do nothing but watch as evident the play.

Show of hands..... anyone else here watch that hit against Michigan and blame the FB for that play?

It's amazing to me you want to be 'that' hater on Clowney. You can recognize how quick he exploded off the ball into the backfield on that play. You are the 1% in this case. That was a fantastic play and everyone knows it and has discussed it at length and I've yet to hear anyone blame the FB. Laughing Laughing


I didn't see your post on Arkansas . I'm on vacation and the wifi sucks.
But here is the YouTube video of Clowney vs Arkansas.
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