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PostPosted: Mon Aug 19, 2013 5:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

i don't see how hyde is gonna get any playing time behind williams, heyward, and shields...


he's 4th string AT best, assuming house continues to fail (and still makes 53)
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 19, 2013 6:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Packerraymond wrote:
HyponGrey wrote:
Am I the only one who thinks Franklin is similar to pre ACL Green?

Crosby still has 2 more games to fall apart.

Personally I like Banjo a little more than Fulton, but it's close. One of them will probably make PS. Then again we do need a CF not named Jennings.

We'll see if Taylor can eventually replace Kuhn on ST.

Jolly FTW.


Personally I like Nixon more than any of the safeties. I think we only need to keep 3 safeties. Micah Hyde would probably be better than either Jennings or McMillian as a starter, but he's done so well as a corner you don't wanna move him out of that premium position unless injury forces you too. Jarrett Bush and Hayward could also get you out of a game at safety. Keep an extra corner and put Banjo on the PS.
I definitely agree with all of that, though I could see Hyde taking a few emergency snaps at S, unless playbook knowledge prevents him. I think I was the only one here predraft who liked him as a S fit in our system. I have no clue why Bush is still labeled a CB.
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 19, 2013 7:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ECPackers wrote:
i don't see how hyde is gonna get any playing time behind williams, heyward, and shields...


he's 4th string AT best, assuming house continues to fail (and still makes 53)


He's gonna get playing time with the way he's playing, we don't even know if Tramon will be ready for the season opener.
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 19, 2013 8:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ECPackers wrote:
i don't see how hyde is gonna get any playing time behind williams, heyward, and shields...


he's 4th string AT best, assuming house continues to fail (and still makes 53)


Lol what? Did you even watch the last preseason game? House didn't allow a single completion.
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 20, 2013 2:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

QB:(2)
1.Aaron Rodgers
2.Vince Young

FB:(3)
1.John Kuhn

RB:(7)
1.Eddie Lacy
2.Dujuan Harris
3.Johnathan Franklin
4.Alex Green

TE:(11)
1.Jermichael Finley
2.Andrew Quarless
3.D.J. Williams
4.Matthew Mulligan

WR:(16)
1.James Jones
2.Jordy Nelson
3.Randall Cobb
4.Jarrett Boykin
5.Jeremy Ross

OT:(20)
1.David Bakhtiari
2.Don Barclay
3.Marshall Newhouse
4.Andrew Datko

OG:(23)
1.Josh Sitton
2.T.J Lang
3.Lane Taylor

C:(25)
1.EDS
2.Greg Van Roten

NT:(26)
1.Ryan Pickett

DE:(32)
1.B.J. Raji
2.Datone Jones
3.Mike Neal
4.Mike Daniels
5.C.J. Wilson
6.Johnny Jolly

MLB:(37)
1.Brad Jones
2.A.J. Hawk
3.Robert Francois
4.Terrell Manning
5.Sam Barrington

OLB:(41)
1.Clay Matthews
2.Nick Perry
3.Nate Palmer
4.Andy Mulumba

CB:(47)
1.Tramon Williams
2.Sam Shields
3.Casey Hayward
4.Micah Hyde
5.Davon House
6.Jarrett Bush

S:(50)
1.Morgan Burnett
2.M.J. Jennings
3.Jeron McMillian

ST:(53)
1.Tim Masthay
2.Mason Crosby
3.Brett Goode

PUP:
1.Derrick Sherrod
2.Charles Johnson
3.Jerel Worthy

IR:
1.Brian Bulaga
2.J.C. Tretter
3.Richardson

PS:
1.B.J Coleman
2.Tyrone Walker
3.Kevin Dorsey
4.Brandon Bostick
5.Patrick Lewis
6.Josh Boyd
7.Chris Banjo
8.James Nixon

My 53 roster watch list:
1.Josh Boyd
2.Brandon Bostick
3.Chris Banjo
4.Tyrone Walker
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 20, 2013 1:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

SDN40 wrote:
Weird thing is they have supposedly been shopping Green all preseason. I gotta wonder if MM trusts anyone other than Kuhn to be the third down blocking back which makes me throw up in my mouth every time I think about it.


I think they're shopping both Starks and Green... trying to get the best offer because they know they're not keeping both. Who knows, they might be keeping the one who gets the worst offer.

Jsitton71# wrote:
i hope TT and his staff is looking over all these preseason games for another power back to backup Lacy. Harris is just a scat change of pace back and Franklin looks like his game is more like a Reggie bush, a back you need to get him the ball in space.


I agree, I want two power backs to go with the two non-power backs which is why I was hoping Starks would step up.

Gopackgonerd wrote:
They will keep Green for another short yardage back


I don't think Green is a short yardage back... I think Green is like Jsitton71 said of Franklin above. "a back you need to get him the ball in space." Green seems to REALLY struggle reading his blocks and being patient enough for them. He has improved each year with it, but considing he ran in front of his OL into a defender on a prefectly set up screen play had a ton of improving to do.

Gopackgonerd wrote:
And if I remember last year Harris wasn't to bad running up the gut, so there's versatility.


I agree with that, he has a tad of power and his quickness/speed/small sizes lets him streak up the middle and use his tad of power if he needs it.

HyponGrey wrote:
Am I the only one who thinks Franklin is similar to pre ACL Green?

Crosby still has 2 more games to fall apart.


No, Franklin is a smaller/slower version of Green who knows how to read his blocking better. Though at times Franklin looks like he wants to dance too much which is a bad sign, but so is Green no being able to read blocking or the defense just goes forward even if it's into a brick wall. Though again Green has been improving with that as I'm sure Franklin SHOULD also improve with more years.

I thought Crosby looked very different in the Rams games... looked like he had his swagger back... which he hasn't had in a good long while. Though question is how easy would it be for him to lose that swagger again is a very important one.

I still think part of Crosby problem was MM refused to NOT go for the 50+ yard FGs while Crosby was in the slump... 50+ FGs are where Crosby CLEARLY struggled the most. Outside the 50 he was horrible, inside the 50 he was decent. I think MM should of let Crosby try to build up his swagger and stay away from the 50+ FGs until Crosby came out of the slump.
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 20, 2013 1:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ECPackers wrote:
i don't see how hyde is gonna get any playing time behind williams, heyward, and shields...


he's 4th string AT best, assuming house continues to fail (and still makes 53)


Special teams and injuries... note Hayward and Williams haven't been very healthy so far in training camp.

And Williams still might not be back to his old self.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 21, 2013 2:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Update: 8/30

53 Prediction:

QB: Aaron Rodgers, Vince Young (+2) [2]
RB: Eddie Lacy, Johnathan Franklin, Alex Green, John Kuhn (+4) [6]
WR: James Jones, Randall Cobb, Jordy Nelson, Jarrett Boykin, Jeremy Ross (+5) [11]
TE: Jermichael Finley, Matthew Mulligan, Andrew Quarless, Ryan Taylor, Brandon Bostick (+5) [16]
OT: David Bakhtiari, Don Barclay, Marshall Newhouse (+3) [19]
Interior Line: Josh Sitton, TJ Lang, EDS, GVR (+4) [23]
DE: Datone Jones, Johnny Jolly, Mike Daniels, CJ Wilson, Josh Boyd (+5) [28]
DT: BJ Raji, Ryan Pickett (+2) [30]
OLB: Clay Matthews, Nick Perry, Mike Neal, Dezman Moses, Andy Mulumba (+5) [35]
ILB: AJ Hawk, Brad Jones, Rob Francois, Terrell Manning, Jamari Lattimore, Sam Barrington (+6) [41]
CB: Tramon Williams, Sam Shields, Casey Hayward, Davon House, Jarrett Bush, Micah Hyde (+6) [47]
S: Morgan Burnett, Jerron McMillian, MD Jennings (+3) [50]
K: Mason Crosby [51]
P: Tim Masthay [52]
LS: Brett Goode [53]

Last 5 In: TE Brandon Bostick, DL Josh Boyd, WR Jeremy Ross, ILB Sam Barrington, DB Jarrett Bush
Last 5 Out: TE DJ Williams, RB James Starks, OLB Nate Palmer, DL Jordan Miller, WR Charles Johnson

PUP: Derek Sherrod, JC Tretter, Jerel Worthy, Sean Richardson
IR: Sederrick Cunningham, Brian Bulaga, DuJuan Harris

Practice Squad: QB BJ Coleman, WR Charles Johnson, WR Tyrone Walker, G Lane Taylor, C Patrick Lewis, OLB Nate Palmer, CB Brandon Smith, S Chris Banjo

About the only thing I feel solid about is the Practice Squad....


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PostPosted: Wed Aug 21, 2013 2:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Beast wrote:
ECPackers wrote:
i don't see how hyde is gonna get any playing time behind williams, heyward, and shields...


he's 4th string AT best, assuming house continues to fail (and still makes 53)


Special teams and injuries... note Hayward and Williams haven't been very healthy so far in training camp.

And Williams still might not be back to his old self.


I would imagine the coaching staff will try to work Hyde in at S, as well. They like his tenacity.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 23, 2013 9:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Gopackgonerd wrote:
QB:(2)
1.Aaron Rodgers
2.Vince Young

FB:(3)
1.John Kuhn

RB:(7)
1.Eddie Lacy
2.Dujuan Harris
3.Johnathan Franklin
4.Alex Green

TE:(11)
1.Jermichael Finley
2.Andrew Quarless
3.D.J. Williams
4.Matthew Mulligan

WR:(16)
1.James Jones
2.Jordy Nelson
3.Randall Cobb
4.Jarrett Boykin
5.Jeremy Ross

OT:(20)
1.David Bakhtiari
2.Don Barclay
3.Marshall Newhouse
4.Andrew Datko

OG:(23)
1.Josh Sitton
2.T.J Lang
3.Lane Taylor

C:(25)
1.EDS
2.Greg Van Roten

NT:(26)
1.Ryan Pickett

DE:(32)
1.B.J. Raji
2.Datone Jones
3.Mike Neal
4.Mike Daniels
5.C.J. Wilson
6.Johnny Jolly

MLB:(37)
1.Brad Jones
2.A.J. Hawk
3.Robert Francois
4.Terrell Manning
5.Sam Barrington

OLB:(41)
1.Clay Matthews
2.Nick Perry
3.Nate Palmer
4.Andy Mulumba

CB:(47)
1.Tramon Williams
2.Sam Shields
3.Casey Hayward
4.Micah Hyde
5.Davon House
6.Jarrett Bush

S:(50)
1.Morgan Burnett
2.M.J. Jennings
3.Jeron McMillian

ST:(53)
1.Tim Masthay
2.Mason Crosby
3.Brett Goode

PUP:
1.Derrick Sherrod
2.Charles Johnson
3.Jerel Worthy

IR:
1.Brian Bulaga
2.J.C. Tretter
3.Richardson

PS:
1.B.J Coleman
2.Tyrone Walker
3.Kevin Dorsey
4.Brandon Bostick
5.Patrick Lewis
6.Josh Boyd
7.Chris Banjo
8.James Nixon

My 53 roster watch list:
1.Josh Boyd
2.Brandon Bostick
3.Chris Banjo
4.Tyrone Walker


First, I think it's wishful thinking to give Young the #2. Coleman might clear waivers, so if Mac believes Coleman can run the offense, you might be right. No matter how deeply I doubt Harrell, I have a hard time believing he won't be our backup. He's the only other guy who knows our offense.

I can't really argue with your RB selection. Mac might keep Starks over Green, I suppose. Green had a decent amount of time last year to establish himself, and he never did. I like Harris a lot, but if Lacy goes down or if he can't handle three-down work, I don't think Harris can manage his blocking assignments all the time. Starks or Green--whichever stays--will see plenty of snaps.

I think Taylor will make the squad, and I'm not sold on Williams.

Otherwise, I think the only other issues with your 53 might be who gets stashed on the PS. Boyd won't clear waivers. Will Bostick, Barrington, Walker, or Johnson? Johnson has been dressing for practice this week, so I think eventually the bosses will have to decide if he can clear waivers or not. I really like Bostick, Barrington, and Boyd. I think Boyd gets a roster spot, and maybe Bostick. We might be able to hide Barrington on the PS. And whether or not Palmer can clear waivers, I don't think he's ready to play.

ETA: I wouldn't cry if we said goodbye to Kuhn.
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http://espn.go.com/blog/nfcnorth/post/_/id/60083/packers-53-man-roster-projection
Green>Starks
Young>Harrell
Bostick, Stoneburner>Quarless, Williams, Mulligan
Barrington-Manning-Neal>Moses
Not sure I agree with that
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 23, 2013 4:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

justo wrote:
http://espn.go.com/blog/nfcnorth/post/_/id/60083/packers-53-man-roster-projection
Green>Starks
Young>Harrell
Bostick, Stoneburner>Quarless, Williams, Mulligan
Barrington-Manning-Neal>Moses
Not sure I agree with that
I'll call Starks over Green. If Tony is Ironman, James is "Injuredman"
If the decision was made today Young would be cut (unfortunately)
Bostick may have worked into the convo with Mulligan Quarless Taylor and Williams, but Stoneburner is definitely gone
Moses is on level with Manning and Barrington. Neal may be a bit higher or lower... It gets blurry at DL, but probably higher
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 23, 2013 10:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Vince Young needs to make this team. He has been way more impressive than Harrell thus far vs Sea. Granted it's vs the 2nd string D, but VY knows how to make plays, Harrell doesn't.

Phil Sims is saying there is no way he can be the backup bcuz he doesn't know the whole playbook. I say yes he can. He has way more talent than Harrell, not to mention he is the kind of player that can run a simple offense and just make plays. I just haven't seen any growth from Harrell and I think we would be more competitive w/ VY in the game than Graham.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 23, 2013 11:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kal-El wrote:
*Subject to many changes*

-snipped-


QB: Rodgers, Young.
RB: Lacy, Harris, Green, Franklin.
TE: Finley, Quarless, Bostick, Mulligan.
WR: Cobb, Nelson, Jones, Boykin, Ross, White.
T: Bakhtiari/Barclay, Newhouse, Datko.
G: Sitton/Lang, Taylor.
C: EDS, Van Rotten.

DL: Raji, Pickett, Jones, Neal, Daniels, Jolly, Boyd.
ILB: Hawk, Jones, Manning, Lattimore, Barrington.
OLB: Matthews, Perry, Moses, Palmer.
CB: Williams, Shields, Hayward, House, Hyde, Bush.
S: Burnett, McMillain, Jennings.

K: Crosby.
P: Masthay.
LS: Goode.

IR: Bulaga.
PUP: Tretter (expecting IR), Sherrod (expecting injury-settlement release).
Traded: TE DJ Williams.

PS: Coleman, Pease, Johnson, Dorsey, Mulumba, Nixon, Banjo, [not on roster.]
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QB: Aaron Rodgers, Vince Young [2]
RB: Eddie Lacy, DuJuan Harris, Johnathan Franklin, John Kuhn [5]
WR: Randall Cobb, James Jones, Jordy Nelson, Jarrett Boykin, Jeremy Ross [10]
TE: JerMichael Finley, Andrew Quarless, Matthew Mulligan, Ryan Taylor [14]
OL: Bakhtiari, Sitton, EDS, Lang, Barclay, Newhouse, Lewis, Datko (wow we need some help here...) +1 [23]

DL: Pickett, Raji, Jones, Wilson, Jolly, Neal, Daniels, Boyd [31]
LB: Matthews, Jones, Hawk, Perry, Francois, Mulumba, Manning, Palmer, Barrington [40]
DB: Shields, Hayward, Burnett, Williams, McMillian, Jennings, Hyde, House, Banjo, Bush [50]

Wow, depth isn't nearly what i had hoped it would...Losing Bulaga and Sherrod decimates our OL depth. I had trouble finding 23 guys I'd keep on offense...damn.
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