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alfalcone


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PostPosted: Wed Jul 17, 2013 11:49 pm    Post subject: Predict the Number Two Reciever Reply with quote

Training camp is about 10 days away, and the Ravens number two reciever slot is open for grabs, who do you think will start across from Torrey Smith?

I vote Deonte Thompson, though he will finish no better than 4th on the team in receptions behind Smith, Pitta, Rice, and possibly Dickson.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 18, 2013 12:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Brandon Lloyd.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 18, 2013 12:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jacoby. He made a lot of big plays and I think he would have had more statistical success if he wasn't like the 5th option and for 13 weeks WR #3 for a play caller who never wanted to use 3 wideouts.

Gonna go with an underdog and say David Reed in the slot.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 18, 2013 1:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

For years I told you and I stand by my statement...

Tandon Doss is boss!
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 18, 2013 9:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fully on the Deonte Thompson train.

My only concern is why he hasn't gotten MORE support from the coaches. On the (very little) film, his talent stands out clearly over the others, in my eyes.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 18, 2013 10:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm gonna agree with ravensfan on this one and pick the guy flacco hand picked. Doss will step up this yr
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 19, 2013 2:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

My heart: Deonte Thompson

My gut: Jacoby Jones
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 19, 2013 3:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think Jones is going to be the receiver that receives the second most number of snaps after Smith. He might still be the "slot starter" but I'm pretty confident that he'll be the #2 WR option.
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 20, 2013 9:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I like Jacoby as the #2 WR. Though with him having return duties, it'll probably be a #2 WR by committee type system. But Jacoby has proven to be able to get past quality corners with what should've been touchdowns against Nnamdi Asomugha in Philly. He got behind the Broncos in the divisional round multiple times, one for a classic play... and he got behind the 49ers multiple times in the Super Bowl. Jacoby brings a nice combination between size, speed, and route running. Flacco rarely seems to over or underthrow him and I think when we're talking big plays those two have an obvious connection.

Like I said though, I expect a #2 by committee in some respects. I'm going to go with Tandon Doss as the #3 WR, but when Jacoby is gassed we'll see David Reed come in as the #2 guy while Doss moves over to #3.
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 20, 2013 12:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Deonte
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 20, 2013 1:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tandon Doss. He was the only guy outside of Jacoby who Caldwell tried to get into games, and he did make a couple of plays. Would have made a couple more but had some significant drops.

I think he's going to be the possession guy to complement Torrey's more dynamic playmaking.

I love Jacoby, but I just don't trust him as a receiver, and I think he's too valuable as a return guy to allow his role on ST to decrease.

I would love to see Deonte Thompson make it, and it would be a great story if he did. But I just don't think he's going to get enough opportunities to see the field, let alone to get enough targets, to make an impact. I think he'll be the nominal #4 guy, but even then won't get on the field much, because the Ravens are more likely to go 2 TE than 4 wide.
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 20, 2013 4:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mancunian Raven wrote:
Tandon Doss. He was the only guy outside of Jacoby who Caldwell tried to get into games, and he did make a couple of plays. Would have made a couple more but had some significant drops.

I think he's going to be the possession guy to complement Torrey's more dynamic playmaking.

I love Jacoby, but I just don't trust him as a receiver, and I think he's too valuable as a return guy to allow his role on ST to decrease.

I would love to see Deonte Thompson make it, and it would be a great story if he did. But I just don't think he's going to get enough opportunities to see the field, let alone to get enough targets, to make an impact. I think he'll be the nominal #4 guy, but even then won't get on the field much, because the Ravens are more likely to go 2 TE than 4 wide.


I get the vibe that Doss is for lack of a better term a "Practice Hero," - he looks really good in practice but he does not have the extra gear most players save for gears. I could be utterly wrong about this.
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 20, 2013 6:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

alfalcone wrote:
Mancunian Raven wrote:
Tandon Doss. He was the only guy outside of Jacoby who Caldwell tried to get into games, and he did make a couple of plays. Would have made a couple more but had some significant drops.

I think he's going to be the possession guy to complement Torrey's more dynamic playmaking.

I love Jacoby, but I just don't trust him as a receiver, and I think he's too valuable as a return guy to allow his role on ST to decrease.

I would love to see Deonte Thompson make it, and it would be a great story if he did. But I just don't think he's going to get enough opportunities to see the field, let alone to get enough targets, to make an impact. I think he'll be the nominal #4 guy, but even then won't get on the field much, because the Ravens are more likely to go 2 TE than 4 wide.


I get the vibe that Doss is for lack of a better term a "Practice Hero," - he looks really good in practice but he does not have the extra gear most players save for gears. I could be utterly wrong about this.

I disagree. I think what Doss had was Mark Clayton syndrome. Talented player in a specific role, however he has/had a veteran ahead of him on the depth chart that was better/more experienced than him in that role and thus he couldn't carve his "mark" so to speak.

Just as Mark Clayton had Derrick Mason ahead of him to take away reps and to take the role that he was best fit in, Tandon Doss had Anquan Boldin ahead of him. Now the year Clayton had a viable QB and Mason wasn't as heavily entrenched in the offense, Clayton excelled.

So while Tandon Doss has never really done too much on the field, I wouldn't have expected him to. It seems the Air Coryell offense only has room for one 'possession' guy at a time. And it works best with multiple deep threats clearing some space underneath for that possession guy and the tight ends. It's no surprise that Jacoby Jones ability to be a deep threat in tandem with Torrey Smith really helped to propel our offense forward when he was utilized. Just by the design of the system and having multiple threats that can be a factor deep.

So Tandon Doss, I think, never has had much opportunity to be successful. Because even with Caldwell calling the plays, he's still just throwing wrinkles into the Air Coryell system. So Boldin was always going to essentially cannibalize any of Doss' opportunities to play successful. Now I'm not saying one way or another that Doss WILL be successful, but he has a skillset quite similar to Dennis Pitta. Nice route running and awesome hands (despite his drops last season). Heck between Pitta and Boldin, it's any wonder Doss ever saw the field.

That being said, like I mentioned in the previous paragraph, I think the Air Coryell system works best with two deep threats on the field. It will keep defenses from keying in on Torrey Smith too much with extra attention. And no question, I would have Jacoby Jones ahead of Deonte Thompson in that respect. Jacoby is a big time playmaking threat with greater size and already possesses an obvious deep ball connection with Flacco. Both Jacoby and Deonte have shown to have issues with their hands and Jones has a much larger sample size of productivity. No way Thompson beats Jones out for the #2 role unless injury becomes an issue.

TBQH I think Thompson will be the #5 WR at best. And it honestly wouldn't surprise me if he's the #6 guy or cut. I mean, the team just made a commitment to David Reed by signing him back to a contract when they could've parted ways with him. Obviously though, he can always be cut. But Reed presents a very valuable commodity as a nice gunner on special teams and has return ability on special teams- along with finally being able to get an opportunity to compete for a more possession receiver like role with Doss. So clearly if we're going to carry a receiver on gameday, I'd put Reed above everyone but Smith/Jones because of his overall value to the team. So thats 4 WRs ahead of Thompson. And now as the #5 receiver you're talking about a competition, like last year, where your value isn't going to be about how well you play WR, but rather how well you play special teams. And while Thompson might provide return value, the more valuable units will be the coverage units. And I'd think Aaron Mellette from a physicality standpoint would have the leg up in that affair.

Heck, now that I think about it, I honestly don't even see Thompson making the team. Give me a choice between Thompson, who I think might be a poor man's Jacoby Jones and Tommy Streeter, who is an ideal fit for the Air Coryell system (tall, long, and fast) and I go with Streeter as our #6 WR. And I highly doubt we'll carry 7. So unless Thompson suffers some sort of "injury", I wouldn't like his chances of making the team over other options.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 22, 2013 9:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

So apparently jacoby jones failed the conditioning test.. Usually not a concern but as a speedster/ return specialist it raises eye brows..
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mddeckie wrote:
So apparently jacoby jones failed the conditioning test.. Usually not a concern but as a speedster/ return specialist it raises eye brows..


Ha, if we didn't already pay him a $1 million bonus, I would have been legitimately scared of him losing his roster spot. The front office seems to be making every effort to prove they don't want a team sitting comfortably after the title season, and I wouldn't have put it past them to make him a message sending cut, given his slightly bloated contract.
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