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PostPosted: Tue Jul 16, 2013 12:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ochocinco4pres wrote:
I saw we offered MJ 5/40 and he turned since he is already making 12 this year. Then we turned around and gave Dunlap this deal


That is exactly what i thought that happened, the Bengals pulled an "Antonio Brown" on Michael Johnson.

They offered him [the franchise tagged player] a certain long-term deal, when he turned it down they decided to lower the offer a bit and offer it to the next best player who also needs a long-term deal, and Dunlap accepted.

Just like with the Steelers last year with Mike Wallace and Antonio Brown.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 16, 2013 1:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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As long as be can stay healthy, this is the right call. He is more talented than MJ, and Hunt fits better as a RE with his freakish athleticism, using this year to get broken in behind a starter. Expect a big year from MJ though, I'm a big believer in contact year.

Now, extend Geno and AJ ASAP

Can't negotiate with AJ until next year. And since MJ can't be negotiated with anymore, Geno is now top priority. I think he gets a nice 5 year, 55 mil with probably more guaranteed than Dunlap.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 16, 2013 1:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Geno is clearly next. He will get the big money he deserves.

Not sure of the urgency to get AJ done next year. He's making good money (between $5 and $8 mill) then has a club option for 10 mill and the possibility of the tag after that. In essence, a minimum of three more years with no need for him to hold out because he is underpaid. If they can agree before that, then great, but no need to panic.

As for Dalton, I like him, but I don't see the need to overpay him. He's an average QB. Pay him like one.

Which leads me back to MJ93. I still think we can resign him.
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INbengalfan wrote:
Geno is clearly next. He will get the big money he deserves.

Not sure of the urgency to get AJ done next year. He's making good money (between $5 and $8 mill) then has a club option for 10 mill and the possibility of the tag after that. In essence, a minimum of three more years with no need for him to hold out because he is underpaid. If they can agree before that, then great, but no need to panic.

As for Dalton, I like him, but I don't see the need to overpay him. He's an average QB. Pay him like one.

With AJ, the Bengals hold a lot of negotiating power. Because instead of having him play out three one year deals, they can give him a nice 5 extension at $10-12 mil per. Kind of like Cruz, except the Giants had a more negotiating power because Cruz was getting paid peanuts.

INbengalfan wrote:
Which leads me back to MJ93. I still think we can resign him.

They can, but they'll be negotiating against all other 31 teams. Next they can negotiate with him is right before free agency, IIRC. And there's no reason he would take a deal then. I for one can't see the Bengals offering more than some desperate team. But i've been wrong before.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 16, 2013 2:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

theJ wrote:
Geno is now top priority. I think he gets a nice 5 year, 55 mil with probably more guaranteed than Dunlap.


Are there any concerns about Geno's long term medical condition (sickle-cell trait) ?

Sure doesn't seem to have held him back so far.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 16, 2013 3:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I dont see us bringing back MJ. I think he will want around 10 million a year and we won't put that much money on our D line.
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theJ wrote:
Geno is now top priority. I think he gets a nice 5 year, 55 mil with probably more guaranteed than Dunlap.


Are there any concerns about Geno's long term medical condition (sickle-cell trait) ?

Sure doesn't seem to have held him back so far.

Not a doctor, but he played at Denver in 2011 with no problems. I don't think it's a concern.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 16, 2013 3:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The thing about Geno's sickle cell is that it is a concern but the way he keeps himself in shape and the way Zimmer utilizes him mitigates those risks.

Even in Denver, he mentioned how after several straight plays he got a little winded but nothing dramatic. As long as we keep a good rotation (Geno, Still, Thompson and Peko), it shouldn't be an issue...
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I don't think theres anyway we sign MJ93 now. I think we gave him a take it or leave it offer (the one we gave Dunlap). He turned it down, because honestly, he'll get paid on the open market with another 10+ sack season.

The only way i see us resigning him is if he has a bad year.
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Surprised that hes getting that much honestly. Johnson is better than Dunlap right now, but later the bengals basically believe Dunlap will be even better later on. 40 million is alot, but he should be worth it in the long run though.

Joe Reedy said this would be michael johnson's last year, but I wonder if the bengals will consider using the franchise tag on him again next season (Assuming Atkins is already given an extension)
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MrCincinnati wrote:
Surprised that hes getting that much honestly. Johnson is better than Dunlap right now, but later the bengals basically believe Dunlap will be even better later on. 40 million is alot, but he should be worth it in the long run though.

Joe Reedy said this would be michael johnson's last year, but I wonder if the bengals will consider using the franchise tag on him again next season (Assuming Atkins is already given an extension)

I disagree. I think MJ93's success was largely driven by all the attention Atkins and Dunlap received. MJ rarely got a double team. It was common place for the other two.
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MrCincinnati wrote:
Surprised that hes getting that much honestly. Johnson is better than Dunlap right now, but later the bengals basically believe Dunlap will be even better later on. 40 million is alot, but he should be worth it in the long run though.

Joe Reedy said this would be michael johnson's last year, but I wonder if the bengals will consider using the franchise tag on him again next season (Assuming Atkins is already given an extension)


This actually looks dangerously like some pretty smart financial planning by the FO.

Give MJ a big 1-year franchise deal realising they can't afford everybody; (draft his eventual replacement in Hunt); and get ready to pay Geno, AJ and maybe Dalton next year.
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theJ wrote:
MrCincinnati wrote:
Surprised that hes getting that much honestly. Johnson is better than Dunlap right now, but later the bengals basically believe Dunlap will be even better later on. 40 million is alot, but he should be worth it in the long run though.

Joe Reedy said this would be michael johnson's last year, but I wonder if the bengals will consider using the franchise tag on him again next season (Assuming Atkins is already given an extension)

I disagree. I think MJ93's success was largely driven by all the attention Atkins and Dunlap received. MJ rarely got a double team. It was common place for the other two.


Not sure about MJ93.

I remember reading in the Cleveland press last year Joe Thomas saying that Johnson had given him some of his toughest tests as a pro. In other games he was a non factor, notably up against that good Texan O-Line.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 17, 2013 9:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Interesting to see that Dunlap is talking about keeping MJ, him and Geno together and it is the players goals to do so. You think MJ would ever consider taking less money to stick around?
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ochocinco4pres wrote:
Interesting to see that Dunlap is talking about keeping MJ, him and Geno together and it is the players goals to do so. You think MJ would ever consider taking less money to stick around?

I think he might but the issue is for him to be willing to take less money he'd have to sign before he hit the open market. Because once he hits the open market and actually receives these concrete offers that show how much more money he can make, I'm unsure he'll come back.

And the unfortunate thing is it seems very unlikely that he's gonna sign a deal before he becomes a free agent. Still it's good to see us lock up Dunlap, we have Gilberry, Geathers and Hunt even without MJ. I think a key will be developing Margus. He needs to be seeing 15 snaps situationally a game if we are worried about MJ93 leaving.
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