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PostPosted: Wed Nov 27, 2013 6:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

imani wrote:
Great website. Shocked

I see 6 Free Agents to be that we need to at least attempt to bring back

In Order of importance(BP Contract suggestions):

Michael Bennett (5 year, 22 mill)
Steven Hauschka (4 year, 6 mill)
Doug Baldwin (3 year, 12 mill)
Breno Giacomini (3 year, 7 mill)
Golden Tate (4 year, 19 mill)
Tony McDaniel (2 year, $3 Mill)

Guys we may want to take second looks at:

Lemeul Jean-Pierre
Walter Thurmond
O'Brien Schofield
Jeron Johnson

*Warning*

Contract suggestions are lazy ball-park estimations, do not read too much into them.


Thats the same website as the first post Wink

Whats BP? Some of those contracts are way low...I'd be shocked if Bennett gets less than 6m a year...more like 7-8.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 27, 2013 10:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Meeker wrote:
imani wrote:
Great website. Shocked

I see 6 Free Agents to be that we need to at least attempt to bring back

In Order of importance(BP Contract suggestions):

Michael Bennett (5 year, 22 mill)
Steven Hauschka (4 year, 6 mill)
Doug Baldwin (3 year, 12 mill)
Breno Giacomini (3 year, 7 mill)
Golden Tate (4 year, 19 mill)
Tony McDaniel (2 year, $3 Mill)

Guys we may want to take second looks at:

Lemeul Jean-Pierre
Walter Thurmond
O'Brien Schofield
Jeron Johnson

*Warning*

Contract suggestions are lazy ball-park estimations, do not read too much into them.


Thats the same website as the first post Wink

Whats BP? Some of those contracts are way low...I'd be shocked if Bennett gets less than 6m a year...more like 7-8.


Ball-park. And yes, you're probably right. 4 years 29 seems more likely
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 27, 2013 11:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

imani wrote:
Meeker wrote:
imani wrote:
Great website. Shocked

I see 6 Free Agents to be that we need to at least attempt to bring back

In Order of importance(BP Contract suggestions):

Michael Bennett (5 year, 22 mill)
Steven Hauschka (4 year, 6 mill)
Doug Baldwin (3 year, 12 mill)
Breno Giacomini (3 year, 7 mill)
Golden Tate (4 year, 19 mill)
Tony McDaniel (2 year, $3 Mill)

Guys we may want to take second looks at:

Lemeul Jean-Pierre
Walter Thurmond
O'Brien Schofield
Jeron Johnson

*Warning*

Contract suggestions are lazy ball-park estimations, do not read too much into them.


Thats the same website as the first post Wink

Whats BP? Some of those contracts are way low...I'd be shocked if Bennett gets less than 6m a year...more like 7-8.


Ball-park. And yes, you're probably right. 5 years 29 seems more likely
As a math teacher... your guys' math is killing me Laughing at 6m a year, Bennett would be making 30M.

My guess is he gets a 5 year deal for about 36M with a final year that wont actually be paid out.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 27, 2013 11:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tatupu_64 wrote:
imani wrote:
Meeker wrote:
imani wrote:
Great website. Shocked

I see 6 Free Agents to be that we need to at least attempt to bring back

In Order of importance(BP Contract suggestions):

Michael Bennett (5 year, 22 mill)
Steven Hauschka (4 year, 6 mill)
Doug Baldwin (3 year, 12 mill)
Breno Giacomini (3 year, 7 mill)
Golden Tate (4 year, 19 mill)
Tony McDaniel (2 year, $3 Mill)

Guys we may want to take second looks at:

Lemeul Jean-Pierre
Walter Thurmond
O'Brien Schofield
Jeron Johnson

*Warning*

Contract suggestions are lazy ball-park estimations, do not read too much into them.


Thats the same website as the first post Wink

Whats BP? Some of those contracts are way low...I'd be shocked if Bennett gets less than 6m a year...more like 7-8.


Ball-park. And yes, you're probably right. 5 years 29 seems more likely
As a math teacher... your guys' math is killing me Laughing at 6m a year, Bennett would be making 30M.

My guess is he gets a 5 year deal for about 36M with a final year that wont actually be paid out.


I edited my post before you made yours, i typed a 5 instead of a 4 this morning. My math is more than fine
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 27, 2013 11:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

imani wrote:
Tatupu_64 wrote:
imani wrote:
Meeker wrote:
imani wrote:
Great website. Shocked

I see 6 Free Agents to be that we need to at least attempt to bring back

In Order of importance(BP Contract suggestions):

Michael Bennett (5 year, 22 mill)
Steven Hauschka (4 year, 6 mill)
Doug Baldwin (3 year, 12 mill)
Breno Giacomini (3 year, 7 mill)
Golden Tate (4 year, 19 mill)
Tony McDaniel (2 year, $3 Mill)

Guys we may want to take second looks at:

Lemeul Jean-Pierre
Walter Thurmond
O'Brien Schofield
Jeron Johnson

*Warning*

Contract suggestions are lazy ball-park estimations, do not read too much into them.


Thats the same website as the first post Wink

Whats BP? Some of those contracts are way low...I'd be shocked if Bennett gets less than 6m a year...more like 7-8.


Ball-park. And yes, you're probably right. 5 years 29 seems more likely
As a math teacher... your guys' math is killing me Laughing at 6m a year, Bennett would be making 30M.

My guess is he gets a 5 year deal for about 36M with a final year that wont actually be paid out.
Look at Dunlap's contract from '13 on. That's roughly what I'd expect for Bennett.

http://overthecap.com/cap.php?Name=Carlos%20Dunlap&Position=43DE&Team=Bengals

I edited my post before you made yours, i typed a 5 instead of a 4 this morning. My math is more than fine
Well then I think 4 for 29 is too much
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 27, 2013 11:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tatupu_64 wrote:
imani wrote:
Tatupu_64 wrote:
imani wrote:
Meeker wrote:
imani wrote:
Great website. Shocked

I see 6 Free Agents to be that we need to at least attempt to bring back

In Order of importance(BP Contract suggestions):

Michael Bennett (5 year, 22 mill)
Steven Hauschka (4 year, 6 mill)
Doug Baldwin (3 year, 12 mill)
Breno Giacomini (3 year, 7 mill)
Golden Tate (4 year, 19 mill)
Tony McDaniel (2 year, $3 Mill)

Guys we may want to take second looks at:

Lemeul Jean-Pierre
Walter Thurmond
O'Brien Schofield
Jeron Johnson

*Warning*

Contract suggestions are lazy ball-park estimations, do not read too much into them.


Thats the same website as the first post Wink

Whats BP? Some of those contracts are way low...I'd be shocked if Bennett gets less than 6m a year...more like 7-8.


Ball-park. And yes, you're probably right. 5 years 29 seems more likely
As a math teacher... your guys' math is killing me Laughing at 6m a year, Bennett would be making 30M.

My guess is he gets a 5 year deal for about 36M with a final year that wont actually be paid out.


I edited my post before you made yours, i typed a 5 instead of a 4 this morning. My math is more than fine
Well then I think 4 for 29 is too much


that's fine, but it still falls within the 7/8 mill a year (7.25). I don't think i'd give him more than 6.5 a year, but we need do need to make him a high priority. Been our best Dlineman this year.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 27, 2013 1:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tatupu_64 wrote:
hawksman81 wrote:
Tatupu_64 wrote:
hawksman81 wrote:
I think Tate is getting quite underrated in this thread.

With his unique skill set and rapport with Russ, I think he is one of our core players, though one that we can afford to lose if he does ask for a completely unreasonable contract, which I highly doubt.

Even though he is not the prototypical X receiver, I would be willing to give him a 5 year 20 mil deal. His playmaking ability is just to much to ignore.

The only receiver listed above I would even think about would be Hakeem, and that is only if he comes and takes a discount.
Sooo..............


4 million a year..? Which is what I said Laughing


Yes. Laughing

I must've missed that part in your post and saw what you posted last page.

But I still think we are understating the impact he has on this team in this thread. Losing him would hurt much more than Baldwin IMO.
With Percy at full strength, I whole heartedly disagree.


Golden makes plays downfield that Percy can't. He is more polished as a receiver, even if his style is unorthodox.

There style after getting the ball is similar no doubt, but I have not seen Percy make contested catches in the air more than twice or three times in his career. That is where Golden separates himself.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 27, 2013 1:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

hawksman81 wrote:
Tatupu_64 wrote:
hawksman81 wrote:
Tatupu_64 wrote:
hawksman81 wrote:
I think Tate is getting quite underrated in this thread.

With his unique skill set and rapport with Russ, I think he is one of our core players, though one that we can afford to lose if he does ask for a completely unreasonable contract, which I highly doubt.

Even though he is not the prototypical X receiver, I would be willing to give him a 5 year 20 mil deal. His playmaking ability is just to much to ignore.

The only receiver listed above I would even think about would be Hakeem, and that is only if he comes and takes a discount.
Sooo..............


4 million a year..? Which is what I said Laughing


Yes. Laughing

I must've missed that part in your post and saw what you posted last page.

But I still think we are understating the impact he has on this team in this thread. Losing him would hurt much more than Baldwin IMO.
With Percy at full strength, I whole heartedly disagree.


Golden makes plays downfield that Percy can't. He is more polished as a receiver, even if his style is unorthodox.

There style after getting the ball is similar no doubt, but I have not seen Percy make contested catches in the air more than twice or three times in his career. That is where Golden separates himself.
But I'm not willing to pay someone 6M a year just for that trait...

We could find a guy that makes contested catches and offers us better versatility
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i think people are underestimating tate's value in keeping wilson around with a hometown discount

they're really really good friends

besides that he's a tricky bastard after the catch and he plays taller than he is

at the right price i'd keep him here, no doubt
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Tatupu_64 wrote:
hawksman81 wrote:
Tatupu_64 wrote:
hawksman81 wrote:
Tatupu_64 wrote:
hawksman81 wrote:
I think Tate is getting quite underrated in this thread.

With his unique skill set and rapport with Russ, I think he is one of our core players, though one that we can afford to lose if he does ask for a completely unreasonable contract, which I highly doubt.

Even though he is not the prototypical X receiver, I would be willing to give him a 5 year 20 mil deal. His playmaking ability is just to much to ignore.

The only receiver listed above I would even think about would be Hakeem, and that is only if he comes and takes a discount.
Sooo..............


4 million a year..? Which is what I said Laughing


Yes. Laughing

I must've missed that part in your post and saw what you posted last page.

But I still think we are understating the impact he has on this team in this thread. Losing him would hurt much more than Baldwin IMO.
With Percy at full strength, I whole heartedly disagree.


Golden makes plays downfield that Percy can't. He is more polished as a receiver, even if his style is unorthodox.

There style after getting the ball is similar no doubt, but I have not seen Percy make contested catches in the air more than twice or three times in his career. That is where Golden separates himself.
But I'm not willing to pay someone 6M a year just for that trait...

We could find a guy that makes contested catches and offers us better versatility


Where did you get 6M from? Wasn't 4M what we discussing?

I think Golden is worth every bit of 4M.
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i think people are underestimating tate's value in keeping wilson around with a hometown discount

they're really really good friends

besides that he's a tricky bastard after the catch and he plays taller than he is

at the right price i'd keep him here, no doubt
No one has said they don't want to keep him around at the right price.

I think people as a whole overestimate factors in the hometown discount. I don't expect Wilson to be going anywhere.
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hawksman81 wrote:
Tatupu_64 wrote:
hawksman81 wrote:
Tatupu_64 wrote:
hawksman81 wrote:
Tatupu_64 wrote:
hawksman81 wrote:
I think Tate is getting quite underrated in this thread.

With his unique skill set and rapport with Russ, I think he is one of our core players, though one that we can afford to lose if he does ask for a completely unreasonable contract, which I highly doubt.

Even though he is not the prototypical X receiver, I would be willing to give him a 5 year 20 mil deal. His playmaking ability is just to much to ignore.

The only receiver listed above I would even think about would be Hakeem, and that is only if he comes and takes a discount.
Sooo..............


4 million a year..? Which is what I said Laughing


Yes. Laughing

I must've missed that part in your post and saw what you posted last page.

But I still think we are understating the impact he has on this team in this thread. Losing him would hurt much more than Baldwin IMO.
With Percy at full strength, I whole heartedly disagree.


Golden makes plays downfield that Percy can't. He is more polished as a receiver, even if his style is unorthodox.

There style after getting the ball is similar no doubt, but I have not seen Percy make contested catches in the air more than twice or three times in his career. That is where Golden separates himself.
But I'm not willing to pay someone 6M a year just for that trait...

We could find a guy that makes contested catches and offers us better versatility


Where did you get 6M from? Wasn't 4M what we discussing?

I think Golden is worth every bit of 4M.
I've already said that multiple times, so why would you be arguing that with me in the first place? Laughing

The only logical conclusion I can come to is that you think I'm pricing him too low
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Tatupu_64 wrote:
NestlePureLife wrote:
i think people are underestimating tate's value in keeping wilson around with a hometown discount

they're really really good friends

besides that he's a tricky bastard after the catch and he plays taller than he is

at the right price i'd keep him here, no doubt
No one has said they don't want to keep him around at the right price.

I think people as a whole overestimate factors in the hometown discount. I don't expect Wilson to be going anywhere.


well playing armchair gm for this team is moot as a whole, schneider has made that abundantly clear
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NestlePureLife wrote:
Tatupu_64 wrote:
NestlePureLife wrote:
i think people are underestimating tate's value in keeping wilson around with a hometown discount

they're really really good friends

besides that he's a tricky bastard after the catch and he plays taller than he is

at the right price i'd keep him here, no doubt
No one has said they don't want to keep him around at the right price.

I think people as a whole overestimate factors in the hometown discount. I don't expect Wilson to be going anywhere.


well playing armchair gm for this team is moot as a whole, schneider has made that abundantly clear
I don't see how the GM has much of an impact on a guy's willingness to take a hometown discount
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Tatupu_64 wrote:
NestlePureLife wrote:
Tatupu_64 wrote:
NestlePureLife wrote:
i think people are underestimating tate's value in keeping wilson around with a hometown discount

they're really really good friends

besides that he's a tricky bastard after the catch and he plays taller than he is

at the right price i'd keep him here, no doubt
No one has said they don't want to keep him around at the right price.

I think people as a whole overestimate factors in the hometown discount. I don't expect Wilson to be going anywhere.


well playing armchair gm for this team is moot as a whole, schneider has made that abundantly clear
I don't see how the GM has much of an impact on a guy's willingness to take a hometown discount


i'm saying in terms of estimating contract length, salary and cuts

it's a fun game to project this stuff, but arguing it means nothing when schneider ends up doing the weirdest things that somehow work amazingly
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