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IAmPacman


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PostPosted: Mon Jul 01, 2013 9:37 pm    Post subject: Too early to talk about Cardinals 2014 Draft? Reply with quote

Nonsense! I think it's never too early Cool

I've been watching some tape of the 2014 OLB draft prospects and have come up with 3 prospects that I think would be a great fit for the Cardinals. All of the following players are predicted first round picks with Barr being a potential top 10 or even top 5 pick. But of course lots of things change in the time leading up to the draft.

credit to Lil Uno on the Vikings forum for the video links and pics

1. Anthony Barr OLB / UCLA

Size: 6'3, 245

Without a question he is the most dominant OLB going into this NCAA season. He ranked second among all Division 1-A schools. What's amazing about that is it was his first year playing OLB. He was formerly a FB (yes a FB) until one of his coaches decided to move him to defense at the beginning of last season. He lines up on the line in practically every play and has a mean combination of strength and speed. He excels at changing direction especially. What he does need to improve on is wrapping up on tackles and becoming a more effective run stuffer. But Barr has the potential to be an All-Pro year after year in the NFL. I think he will give the Cardinals that qb killer they need (assuming none of their pass rushers step up this year).

Barr 2012 Highlights
Barr vs. USC
Barr vs. Nebraska
Barr vs. Stanford
Barr vs. Washington State


2. Ryan Shazier OLB / Ohio State

Size: 6'1, 225

Unlike Barr, Shazier lines up everywhere for the Buckeyes. Most of the time he is off the line but he does blitz like D Wash up the middle occasionally. Shazier is a tremendous tackler. He effectively finds the shortest path to the ball carrier and hits him hard when he finds him. He rarely misses a tackle and he wraps up really well. Last year, Shazier recorded more tackles, sacks, tackles for loss and forced fumbles than Te'o from his Heisman finalist year. Of course stats don't tell everything need to be known about a player so watch the following clips and let me know what you guys think.

Shazier 2012 Highlights
Shazier vs. Wisconsin

3. Kyle Van Noy OLB / BYU

Size: 6'2, 235

Van Noy is the most all-around complete OLB out of the three. He can rush the qb, stop the run and defend against the pass. He has a high football IQ and covers all areas of the field. He reminds me of a more dominant Sam Acho that is faster and more of a playmaker.

Van Noy vs. San Diego State
Van Noy vs. Washington State
Van Noy vs. Utah
Van Noy vs. San Jose State
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 01, 2013 10:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I thought you were posting a mock, I was about to rip your head off for giving us two OLBs with our first two picks...then when I saw they were all OLBs I decided that, maybe I should read his intro...
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 01, 2013 11:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

shawn wrote:
I thought you were posting a mock, I was about to rip your head off for giving us two OLBs with our first two picks...then when I saw they were all OLBs I decided that, maybe I should read his intro...

lol it's kinda pointless posting a mock this early. Player analysis should be the only thing being done right now.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 02, 2013 2:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Not a fan of Shazier at all; I have some rough (and the formatting is rough) notes on all three guys; so have at it.

Anthony Barr- UCLA – Notes

Very skinny build “Chicken Legs” not sure how much weight he can put on.

Vs Stanford (2012)

Discipline; keeps run contain well. Willing to set the edge

Comfortable in coverage, both zone and man, looks a very fluid athlete

Raw as a pass rusher, has athleticism to run the arc and turn the corner.

Good Tackler

Drops into short zone; plays disciplined then comes downhill to make a tackle for no gain.

Struggles to shed blockers at times.

Really needs to develop some pass rush move.

Hand use is poor

Plays too upright on the pass rush, needs better pad level.

Vs USC (2012)

Struggling to shed blockers

Looks comfortable in space, happy to play either zone or man coverage.

No pass rush moves. Not getting the edge, though he has the athleticism to.

Great first step.

Has good initial power in his hands to get the offensive linemen off balance, but then does nothing; does not put a move on or disengage with the defender.

Does not always use his hands for initial contact; when rushing inside will try to dip a shoulder between guard and tackle.

At his best on delay blitzes up the middle when lined up as an ILB.

Needs to play with better pad level.

Needs to use his hands more often.

Willing to set edge vs the run

Took some poor angles vs the run this game

Vs Oregon State (2012)

Has the flexibility to bend and turn the corner

Very comfortable in space.

Strong initial hands; does not use this enough.

Good Tackler

Does not disengage from blockers well.

No pass rush moves; no rip, no swim, limited bull rush because he does not use his hands often, no spin. Just either tries to run the arc or split the Guard and Tackle.

Good Effort player, will chase plays from the backside.

Saves his team four points with effort chasing down screen play. Defense then stopped the offense three straight plays at the GL.

Plays too upright; needs better pad level.

Seems to fit best as a 4-3 SAM backer. Play him in coverage playing the run/setting the edge, use him in blitz packages and twists stunts.

His best pass rush comes from scheme (Twists/Stunts)


Ryan Shazier – Ohio State

Small Frame, not a lot of room to add much. Not sure of his NFL fit.

Vs Wisconsin (2012)

Does not play North/South vs the run, waits for play to come to him

Does not initiate contact on running plays.

No power in his game consistently drive out of running plays.

Can get lost in traffic around the LOS

When he reads run uses good athleticism to come downhill quickly.

Did not show man coverage skills this game.

Keeps his feet active in zone coverage.

Seems late reacting in coverage, does not anticipate.

Has athleticism; makes a leaping play at the GL to force fumble.

Plays light on his feet and moves well laterally.

Vs Michigan (2012)

Fooled more than once on misdirection plays, takes multiple false steps.

Taking poor angles on outside runs. Over-ran one, under cut another.

No power to him, gets knocked off course and off balance by blockers with ease.

Tends to get lost in traffic, loses the football.

Not a wrap up tackler. Leads with head/shoulder tries to lay a hit.

Comes unblocked for a sack. Two backs (first a chip does job) have a shot at him and whiff.

Continues to take poor angles in the running game.

When he locates the football he closes fast and lays a hit.

Big hitter, poor tackler

Makes two or three “splash” plays in a game (Big Hits, Sacks, Tackles for a Loss), but is poor for most of the rest.

Can be too quick to open his hips in zone coverage.

Quick feet, plus athlete, but at his size he needs to be.

Can makes himself small a shoot the A or B gap on the blitz.

Kyle Van Noy - BYU

Built low; thick lower body, room to add weight and muscle to his upper body; this should only help his game develop.

vs Washington State (2012)

Very multiple, moved all over the formation by the defence.

Plays from a two point stance consistently. Is an NFL and college LB.

Not used in true coverage a lot; spying the QB at times.

Reads and reacts pretty well.

Not a turn the corner type of rusher.

Strong arms to bullrush the offensive tackle.

Quick feet and good lateral movement allow him to get good inside pressure on stunts.

Has a spin move, but not very effective.

Not a plus athlete

High effort player

Plays with good pad level

vs Utah (2012)

Sheds blocks very well

Lacks awareness in coverage at times

Tackling is inconsistent

Very quick and agile in pursuit

Shows enough athleticism to run with TE down the sideline in man coverage

Plays with very good pad level and leverage when rushing the passer. Gets low and extends his arms keeping defenders away from his body,

High effort

Not an edge rusher, gets most pressure either unblocked off the edge or on stunts/twists inside. Does not dip and “turn the corner”

Vs San Jose State (2012)

Smooth, comfortable in coverage; shown here playing good man coverage vs TE (Ryan Otten)

Uses his hands well to disengage, works off blocks with ease.

Plays with good pad level and high effort

Inconsistent tackler, good in open field, can let some plays in the backfield slip away.

Has very good athleticism, both laterally and in a straight line.

Used in coverage with confidence, both zone and man.

Can lose discipline and gap integrity vs run.

Loves to attack the guard/tackle gap almost too much, still have not seen him run the arc.

Can split double teams, makes himself skinny and uses his hands well to keep bodies away from him.

Not a consistent pressure guy, though he has the athleticism and ability to be that.

Vs. Hawaii (2012)

Spin move looks incredibly awkward

Effort and Motor are top notch, never stops working.

Is a good athlete, but not a stand out guy. Not going to wow you with his first step or ability to turn the corner.

Has a good inside counter step set up with outside rushes.

Has a good rip move to get past blockers.

Looking a bit lost in coverage, does not play the ball that well, though did have a nice breakup in zone coverage.

Did not use his hands overly well this game.

Did not run the arc once.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 02, 2013 3:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I like Barr, but want to see another 12 months on him

Havent followed Shazier at much i must admit

Have seen alot of Van Noy, he can play, nice 2nd round pick atm, probably high where we would be picking.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 02, 2013 3:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

khodder wrote:
Not a fan of Shazier at all

Damn I think Shazier is a good player. You went all out on the notes though. Did you like any of the OLBs? It was hard to tell lol.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 02, 2013 3:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

DJ_Fka wrote:
I like Barr, but want to see another 12 months on him

Havent followed Shazier at much i must admit

Have seen alot of Van Noy, he can play, nice 2nd round pick atm, probably high where we would be picking.

Yea I like Barr a lot as you could've probably told from the notes. Van Noy is most likely a late 1st round pick at best assuming he doesn't have an unreal senior season. I think he would be a great option for the cards with their second round pick.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 02, 2013 4:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

What are your guys' opinions on the Alabama linebackers (C.J. Mosley and Adrian Hubbard)? I was really unimpressed by them. Both of them are so slow to the ball.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 02, 2013 4:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Overhyped as usual

I do like their safety though, HaHa or whatever his name is
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 02, 2013 10:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I accidentally put vids of Mosley instead of Barr. I fixed it now and added vids of Barr.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 02, 2013 4:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

IAmPacman wrote:
khodder wrote:
Not a fan of Shazier at all

Damn I think Shazier is a good player. You went all out on the notes though. Did you like any of the OLBs? It was hard to tell lol.


I like Barr, but not as the top 5 guy he has been talked about like at times. A lot of refinement needed. Not sure how well he will be able to create power in his pass rushing game, but he is a raw athlete with the skills to get the edge. You can really see that he has only been playing defense for a year or two on the field. Lot of upside to him, but I really want to see some big steps forward from him this season to show me that he is coachable, he learns quickly, he works on his craft and puts what he learned onto the field.

I like Van Noy as a mid first round pick, he is rather polished, but he is not going to wow you with superior athleticism like Barr will. He is not going to be a guy who you can ask to run the arc a lot and get pressure, but will fit well into a team that uses him on stunts (Ala Smith/Smith in SF). Strong player, very capable player. I like him the most out of this group.

Don't like Shazier. Too out of control, lacks a true NFL position, plus athleticsm makes him stand out at times, but really lacks any kind of consistency. Will give you a big play then cost you a big play.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 02, 2013 5:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

khodder wrote:
IAmPacman wrote:
khodder wrote:
Not a fan of Shazier at all

Damn I think Shazier is a good player. You went all out on the notes though. Did you like any of the OLBs? It was hard to tell lol.


I like Barr, but not as the top 5 guy he has been talked about like at times. A lot of refinement needed. Not sure how well he will be able to create power in his pass rushing game, but he is a raw athlete with the skills to get the edge. You can really see that he has only been playing defense for a year or two on the field. Lot of upside to him, but I really want to see some big steps forward from him this season to show me that he is coachable, he learns quickly, he works on his craft and puts what he learned onto the field.

I like Van Noy as a mid first round pick, he is rather polished, but he is not going to wow you with superior athleticism like Barr will. He is not going to be a guy who you can ask to run the arc a lot and get pressure, but will fit well into a team that uses him on stunts (Ala Smith/Smith in SF). Strong player, very capable player. I like him the most out of this group.

Don't like Shazier. Too out of control, lacks a true NFL position, plus athleticsm makes him stand out at times, but really lacks any kind of consistency. Will give you a big play then cost you a big play.

Yea I completely agree with what you are saying about Barr. He is very raw but he definitely has the talent and athleticism to become a complete player. It's just a matter of him putting it all together.

Shazier is inconsistent at tiimes but I still think he can be a solid player in the NFL but you have a valid argument.

And yea Van Noy definitely is a strong player. He won't disappoint in the NFL regardless of where he is drafted.

You seem to know what you are talking about. So what are your rankings of the top linebackers in the whole NCAA?
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IAmPacman wrote:
You seem to know what you are talking about. So what are your rankings of the top linebackers in the whole NCAA?


My notes are not that extensive on some of these guys thus far, but I do like what I see from two ILB type guys, Preston Brown from Louisville and Andrew Jackson from Western Kentucky. I am also a big fan of a guy who is probably more of a 43 OLB, but has some verstaility to his game, Christian Jones from FSU.
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I mentioned Christian Jones, my notes on him.

Christian Jones – Florida State

Long and lean build, very good length. Long Arms

VS Georgia Tech (2012)

Discipline in run fits; plays option with discipline; sticks to his assignment.

Good tackler in the open field.

Has sideline to sideline range.

Good athlete, both laterally and in a straight line.

Sifts through traffic well.

Seems comfortable in space, although limited examples in this game. Keeps feet and eyes active in zone coverage.

A little bit hesitant to initiate contact.

Uses long arms to keep blockers away from his body; sheds well.

Did not locate football in man coverage on wheel route. We beaten in footrace by the Back.

Finished the game with three straight snaps lined up over the slot. Destroyed the receiver in press coverage on the 2nd of the three.

VS Duke (2012)

Reads the game well

Good tackler in space

Able to shed blocks well with long arms.

Does not like to initiate contact w/ blockers to attack downhill.

Exp on special teams. Kickoff coverage/Punt Coverage. Good tackler in space.

Lacks real power in his game. Passive once blockers engage at the 2nd level.

Active in zone coverage, reads the QB.

A half step late reacting to cuts in man coverage.


Vs Northern Illinois (2012)

Impressive open field tackler.

Takes smart angle to the football.

Good range, plus athlete.

Has long arms, helps to keep blockers off of him when playing along the LOS.

Can get his feet tangled in zone coverage, does not always seem comfortable playing in coverage.

Effort, always finishes plays.

Flashes some pass rush here. Intriguing.

Shows some power and willingness to hit, takes on a guard head on with good leverage, and knocks him back.

Very nice closing speed

Does not miss tackles.

Can play along the LOS, shed, keep his eye on the ball carrier and make a play.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 04, 2013 5:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I love jones, serious man crush

Also as a nole fan I like him a lot already

He is a beast, only just scratched his potential

Also watch some more ACC games, he is playmaker number 1 on their defence

He played next to vince Williams last year who was really overrated and will kill with the steelers this year

Also watch telvin smith, he could also work with us.
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