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Dirk Gently


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PostPosted: Mon Jun 24, 2013 7:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Again, he *is* the starter at the moment. If, for some reason, Livings and Bernadeau never get over their injuries, it would seem that Arkin would be our man.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 24, 2013 12:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The challenge with Arkin was coming from a small school he was already behind the eight ball so to speak. He needed to get reps and a lot of them. Now he finds himself further behind. I would like to see him earn a spot on merit vs. holding a roster spot because someone else is hurt. I don't see much coming from him and I think he will end up cut. Nothing personal it's the way it is.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 24, 2013 1:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Inclined to agree, except that I'm 50/50 on him developing. I've seen flashes.

But he unquestionably needs to beat someone out to stay on this team:

Arkin, Bernadeau, Cook, Costa, Frederick, Kowalski, Leary, Livings

6 of those guys have C/G flexibility. There is absolutely no reason to keep more than 5 of them if they don't earn it. Even if you make the (valid) argument that Cook and Livings go away based on age and salary impact, that still leaves one more guy cut, and there's absolutely zero argument for "future value" over any of the remaining guys, as they are all young and cheap.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 24, 2013 2:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dirk Gently wrote:
Inclined to agree, except that I'm 50/50 on him developing. I've seen flashes.

But he unquestionably needs to beat someone out to stay on this team:

Arkin, Bernadeau, Cook, Costa, Frederick, Kowalski, Leary, Livings

6 of those guys have C/G flexibility. There is absolutely no reason to keep more than 5 of them if they don't earn it. Even if you make the (valid) argument that Cook and Livings go away based on age and salary impact, that still leaves one more guy cut, and there's absolutely zero argument for "future value" over any of the remaining guys, as they are all young and cheap.



Out of those, if i can only keep five...

Im kepping Fred, Costa, Leary, Livings, and uh i dunno... I guess Burning poop because he has starting experience
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 24, 2013 2:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'd be inclined to go

Fred, Leary, Costa, Kowalski, and Bernadeau or Arkin (whoever's better)

Unless Cook or Livings signifcantly outplays two of the above.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 24, 2013 4:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dirk Gently wrote:
Inclined to agree, except that I'm 50/50 on him developing. I've seen flashes.

But he unquestionably needs to beat someone out to stay on this team:

Arkin, Bernadeau, Cook, Costa, Frederick, Kowalski, Leary, Livings

6 of those guys have C/G flexibility. There is absolutely no reason to keep more than 5 of them if they don't earn it. Even if you make the (valid) argument that Cook and Livings go away based on age and salary impact, that still leaves one more guy cut, and there's absolutely zero argument for "future value" over any of the remaining guys, as they are all young and cheap.


You're absolutely correct, Dirk. I think the issue is that guys like Arkin are the kinds of players whom you want to see succeed.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 24, 2013 6:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

DaBoys wrote:
Out of those, if i can only keep five...

Im kepping Fred, Costa, Leary, Livings, and uh i dunno... I guess Burning poop because he has starting experience


Sadly those are the best we got.

Our line will most likely be:

LT-- Tyron Smith
LG--Livings/Leary
C--Frederick
RG--Leary/Burningduece
RT--Free/Parnell


Obviously we have competition at the guard spots and at right tackle. Assuming that we have the linemen DaBoys listed, I think Leary is most likely to start at RG even though he has primarily worked at LG so far this season. I think Livings is far better than Burningduece and I want to see Leary take Burningduece's spot.

At RT i think we see a much improved Doug Free, and he runs away with the starting spot. I hope I am wrong and we have a younger option in Parnell, but i think Free will regain his form a little bit.

Overall a pretty bad offensive line yet, but hopefully there is at least a little improvement on last season.
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 25, 2013 2:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

A lot of hype around his name. You would think he's a first round pick. Look he is what he is. Going to take time to develop, going to have ups and downs. Probably more downs early on. There is a reason he's not a first round pick.

I'm pulling for him to beat out burningadeauce.
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 25, 2013 4:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

sniderboys23 wrote:
A lot of hype around his name. You would think he's a first round pick. Look he is what he is. Going to take time to develop, going to have ups and downs. Probably more downs early on. There is a reason he's not a first round pick.

I'm pulling for him to beat out burningadeauce.


First round pick??? Were just saying we want him to contribute.
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 25, 2013 6:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

plan9misfit wrote:
I think the issue is that guys like Arkin are the kinds of players whom you want to see succeed.


I'm not following your meaning here. Would you mind elaborating? It's an issue that we want Arkin to succeed?

I think you mean that you see it as an issue that I think Arkin might be successful when he has shown little so far... or maybe that it's an issue that Arkin hasn't succeeded so far and that the team needs more success out of mid-rounders, particularly on the o-line. Am I right? or even close?
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 26, 2013 11:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dirk Gently wrote:
Sorry, I googled Tim MacMahon and David Arkin and got this from last August:

http://espn.go.com/blog/dallas/cowboys/post/_/id/4696664/david-arkin-looks-like-another-mid-round-o-line-bust

It looked like a line from that article. He says nearly the exact same thing.

Edit to add: regardless, what I said earlier still goes. I will add that MacMahon is likely right, but merely speculating that Leary has passed Arkin. Leary has garnered more attention and praise, but both players are starting at their respective guard spots. At the moment (which could change anytime Livings and Bernadeau are declared healthy) they are both on the first team.


Think it is really funny that a guy that has watched every snap of OTA's and mini camp is speculating. If Leary is always working with 1st or 2nd team more than Arkin then yes Leary has passed him on the depth chart. We don't need a quote from Callahan saying Arkin sucks and Leary is awesome to figure out that Leary could has passed Arkin on the depth chart. Reporters are paid to speculate on news unless they are interviewing Jerry which will be happy to tell you everything.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 26, 2013 12:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Except they've both been working exclusively as the 1st team, Leary at LG and Arkin at RG.

Again, Leary has made more noise, but they are both in the same spot on the depth chart, according to what's actually happening.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 26, 2013 8:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Havent seen enough of him to make a call. This camp and pre-season should make or break him.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 26, 2013 10:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dirk Gently wrote:
Except they've both been working exclusively as the 1st team, Leary at LG and Arkin at RG.

Again, Leary has made more noise, but they are both in the same spot on the depth chart, according to what's actually happening.


You are correct. Arkin and Leary have been our 1st stringers at guards thus far. Reason Leary is getting more attention is because he is bigger, stronger, newer to the team, and an UDFA. Which all opposes Arkin.

Here is a question for you:

Dirk Gently wrote:
I'd be inclined to go

Fred, Leary, Costa, Kowalski, and Bernadeau or Arkin (whoever's better)

Unless Cook or Livings signifcantly outplays two of the above.


How much would Livings have to outplay Burning Duece for him to make the roster instead? You cut livings but you keep poop burn, and for what? Is that a judgement based solely on age? Doocey was easily our worst lineman last year. I am interested what he has shown you thus far this year, that he makes the team over Livings? Seeing how he has been out with injury...
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 27, 2013 12:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

How old does a player have to be, before you are not intrigued by this?:

http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/dsprofile.php?pyid=81319&draftyear=2011&genpos=og

Or has that time passed?
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