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PostPosted: Sun Jun 16, 2013 8:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

" He is the perfect Tom Cable lineman physically, why do you think Cable asked him to convert to offense?"
Why?, indeed. Do you remember how the FO trumpeted Mr. Carpenter as exactly the kind of player Cable wanted in his system? &, what? 5 games into the 1st season he's suddenly the LG of the future? SOS is right, Cable's a hell of a coach, but apparently not much of a judge of prospects.
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 16, 2013 8:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

C-Hawkin' wrote:
" He is the perfect Tom Cable lineman physically, why do you think Cable asked him to convert to offense?"
Why?, indeed. Do you remember how the FO trumpeted Mr. Carpenter as exactly the kind of player Cable wanted in his system? &, what? 5 games into the 1st season he's suddenly the LG of the future? SOS is right, Cable's a hell of a coach, but apparently not much of a judge of prospects.


Kwame Harris is the player I'm thinking from during his time with Oakland. Apparently that was a Cable selection and he said Harris was the perfect player for his system at the time. One of the bigger OLine busts of all time.
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 16, 2013 9:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

C-Hawkin' wrote:
" He is the perfect Tom Cable lineman physically, why do you think Cable asked him to convert to offense?"
Why?, indeed. Do you remember how the FO trumpeted Mr. Carpenter as exactly the kind of player Cable wanted in his system? &, what? 5 games into the 1st season he's suddenly the LG of the future? SOS is right, Cable's a hell of a coach, but apparently not much of a judge of prospects.


Stuff happens though. Everybody was all over Aaron Curry, look how he panned out.

With that said, Tom Cable needs to prove that he can be a good talent scout. His two best lineman were already on the team when he arrived.
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 16, 2013 9:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tooki wrote:
C-Hawkin' wrote:
" He is the perfect Tom Cable lineman physically, why do you think Cable asked him to convert to offense?"
Why?, indeed. Do you remember how the FO trumpeted Mr. Carpenter as exactly the kind of player Cable wanted in his system? &, what? 5 games into the 1st season he's suddenly the LG of the future? SOS is right, Cable's a hell of a coach, but apparently not much of a judge of prospects.


Stuff happens though. Everybody was all over Aaron Curry, look how he panned out.

With that said, Tom Cable needs to prove that he can be a good talent scout. His two best lineman were already on the team when he arrived.


That's a scary good point.
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 16, 2013 9:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's because Tom Cable values "potential" WAY TOO MUCH because, quite honestly (and obviously this is just my opinion), he overrates his abilities as a coach. He thinks he can turn these guys that fit his system athletically into fundamentally sound players, and it just doesn't always work like that. His biggest reclamation project of his career and why he's been renowned in the past is his transformation of Robert Gallery. Well, I hate to say it, Gallery was an average guard at best with Cable and he was a freaking top 5 pick that SHOULD pan out. Cable needs to realize that it's actually possible to find players that fit his mold athletically and actually know the position.

I think Tom Cable is overrated in general. Don't know why he gets so much love. Honestly, I think the best part of his presence is how he teaches the RBs the nuances of his system. Outside of that, he's never been known for evaluating talent or getting the most out of his players.
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SoS wrote:
It's because Tom Cable values "potential" WAY TOO MUCH because, quite honestly (and obviously this is just my opinion), he overrates his abilities as a coach. He thinks he can turn these guys that fit his system athletically into fundamentally sound players, and it just doesn't always work like that. His biggest reclamation project of his career and why he's been renowned in the past is his transformation of Robert Gallery. Well, I hate to say it, Gallery was an average guard at best with Cable and he was a freaking top 5 pick that SHOULD pan out. Cable needs to realize that it's actually possible to find players that fit his mold athletically and actually know the position.

I think Tom Cable is overrated in general. Don't know why he gets so much love. Honestly, I think the best part of his presence is how he teaches the RBs the nuances of his system. Outside of that, he's never been known for evaluating talent or getting the most out of his players.


Trust me, I know. On the other hand, I do cut him some slack because he was a part of those cancerous Raiders teams.

I think that Cable is great with lineman. I do not think that he is a great evaluator of talent though, which many of us agree with. Is he overrated? Probably, but he is also the assistant Head Coach and his impact does go beyond just the O-Line.

I also think that Sherman Smith is more important to the RB's than Cable.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 17, 2013 1:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

OK so SOS was only 1/2 right- Cable's not a gr8 coach, he's just a lousy judge of talent. Smile
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 17, 2013 2:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

C-Hawkin' wrote:
OK so SOS was only 1/2 right- Cable's not a gr8 coach, he's just a lousy judge of talent. Smile


But I said both of those things Laughing I assume you meant to say he's not a bad coach.
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Yeah, never been impressed with Cable's ability as a talent evaluator. All he does is evaluate how well a player physically fits the mold. With Sweezy though, that's all you could have really done, which is why I am not ready to write Sweezy off.
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