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PostPosted: Sat Jun 15, 2013 9:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I am glad to hear that Leary is playing as well as he is. I am anxious to see him in the exhibition season.

I am not sure about Frederick starting at G though as has been suggested by some. I know he can play the position, and theoretically it would allow us to get our 5 best OL on the field. I think the Cowboys drafted him to start at Center and nowhere else.


Center is the most important position on the interior o-line. I'd rather him play there.
agreed! However, keeping him ready for Guard duty just in case we sustain an injury (knock on wood) there, he can slide over and insert Costa at Center.


If there is an injury at OG, why slide Frederick over and insert Costa at Center? That makes for 2 positions getting shuffled around. Continuity on the o-line is huge. Just bring in Costa at OG and leave Frederick at Center. Less moving around and more stability.
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 15, 2013 10:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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textaz03 wrote:
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I am glad to hear that Leary is playing as well as he is. I am anxious to see him in the exhibition season.

I am not sure about Frederick starting at G though as has been suggested by some. I know he can play the position, and theoretically it would allow us to get our 5 best OL on the field. I think the Cowboys drafted him to start at Center and nowhere else.


Center is the most important position on the interior o-line. I'd rather him play there.
agreed! However, keeping him ready for Guard duty just in case we sustain an injury (knock on wood) there, he can slide over and insert Costa at Center.


If there is an injury at OG, why slide Frederick over and insert Costa at Center? That makes for 2 positions getting shuffled around. Continuity on the o-line is huge. Just bring in Costa at OG and leave Frederick at Center. Less moving around and more stability.
it would be nice to be able to do just that, however, I do not believe Costa can play at the guard position. We have tried him there before and he really sucked at it. Granted, that was when he first got here and he wasn't as strong as he is now. It may be an option, but I have read from various reports over the last 2 years, that Costa is strictly a C.
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 16, 2013 1:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Interesting to see Cook written off. He wasn't that bad last year (possibly the second best OL) and he's pretty cheap as well. I guess there isn't much room for a 3rd string center, but I'd think he'd at least make it over Kowalski.
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Interesting to see Cook written off. He wasn't that bad last year (possibly the second best OL) and he's pretty cheap as well. I guess there isn't much room for a 3rd string center, but I'd think he'd at least make it over Kowalski.
kowalski has flexibility. Working at Guard and Center. Unlike Cook.
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textaz03 wrote:
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Interesting to see Cook written off. He wasn't that bad last year (possibly the second best OL) and he's pretty cheap as well. I guess there isn't much room for a 3rd string center, but I'd think he'd at least make it over Kowalski.
kowalski has flexibility. Working at Guard and Center. Unlike Cook.


Cook has gotten NFL action at center, tackle, and guard...
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matt79511 wrote:
Interesting to see Cook written off. He wasn't that bad last year (possibly the second best OL) and he's pretty cheap as well. I guess there isn't much room for a 3rd string center, but I'd think he'd at least make it over Kowalski.


To possibly be the second best o line, doesn't say much on our team. And I don't even think he was that..

Personally, I think he won't make the roster. Kowalski has more upside, while Cook will never be anything more then a backup with some flexibility IMO. And not what I would call a quality backup, just a decent one.
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Interesting to see Cook written off. He wasn't that bad last year (possibly the second best OL) and he's pretty cheap as well. I guess there isn't much room for a 3rd string center, but I'd think he'd at least make it over Kowalski.


To possibly be the second best o line, doesn't say much on our team. And I don't even think he was that..

Personally, I think he won't make the roster. Kowalski has more upside, while Cook will never be anything more then a backup with some flexibility IMO. And not what I would call a quality backup, just a decent one.


"Arguably the second best OL on the Cowboys last year" is something of a backhanded compliment, yes. But, it shouldn't be discounted. I'd say his play was certainly superior to that of Free and Bernadeau and comparable to that of Livings. On the basis that you go into the season with your best 53, those guys shouldn't be better roster bets than him, in my opinion, but the consensus is that they are.

I don't get the Kowalski love. What's he shown? Nothing, which somehow tends to equate to "upside". You say Cook's just a decent backup, I ask how we know that Kowalski's even that. I think fans just have a preference for change.
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Interesting to see Cook written off. He wasn't that bad last year (possibly the second best OL) and he's pretty cheap as well. I guess there isn't much room for a 3rd string center, but I'd think he'd at least make it over Kowalski.


To possibly be the second best o line, doesn't say much on our team. And I don't even think he was that..

Personally, I think he won't make the roster. Kowalski has more upside, while Cook will never be anything more then a backup with some flexibility IMO. And not what I would call a quality backup, just a decent one.


"Arguably the second best OL on the Cowboys last year" is something of a backhanded compliment, yes. But, it shouldn't be discounted. I'd say his play was certainly superior to that of Free and Bernadeau and comparable to that of Livings. On the basis that you go into the season with your best 53, those guys shouldn't be better roster bets than him, in my opinion, but the consensus is that they are.

I don't get the Kowalski love. What's he shown? Nothing, which somehow tends to equate to "upside". You say Cook's just a decent backup, I ask how we know that Kowalski's even that. I think fans just have a preference for change.


Cook is 30 years old and we have to assume playing with a 6'6 center is a pain in the a** for a 6'2 QB. Personally, I also think that he hardly was better than burnadeau.

Kowalski is 24 and looked more impressing in his first season here when he got some playing time as far as I remember.

So Kowalski is cheaper, younger and have shown that he's not hopeless. I think it's very understandable that people thnks Cook is the odd man out.

- But it all depends on TC, and if Kowalski can prove that he can play after those injuries. I'd be comfortable going into the season with either on the roster, I think it's going to be a close battle as to who gets in. .
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Kowalski is impressive TBH. His real full time action was against the 49ers defence when Costa went down 2 years ago. And he played great against that D-line of thiers.

Other than that he never got a opportunity to get on the field.

I know we like to question and say well "the staff does not feel very highly of him to let him get on the field and so he might not be impressive enough". Hey this is the same staff that allowed Miles Austin to break out because of a injury to Roy Williams. So I still have to go with my gut on Kowalski.
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Cowboys ink Williams

Only two more to go.
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Cowboys ink Williams

Only two more to go.


Three I think. Wilcox, Frrederick and Escobar.
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"Hey, he wasn't terrible in limited action!" is also what gets players like Alan Ball a starting job. Coaches can of course be wrong about their own players, but they see a lot more than we do between practices and watching tape, so when it comes to who starts and how much everyone plays they typically make the right calls.
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"Hey, he wasn't terrible in limited action!" is also what gets players like Alan Ball a starting job. Coaches can of course be wrong about their own players, but they see a lot more than we do between practices and watching tape, so when it comes to who starts and how much everyone plays they typically make the right calls.



Thats actually the thing. He wasn't terrible . He played pretty damn good for a rookie against that 49ers D-line that game. Even the game announcers pointed it out in overtime the inside pass protection was improved by Kowalski after costa left the game with a injury.
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http://www.prosportsdaily.com/Headlines/ExternalArticle?articleId=254906

This might have been discussed already. If so, my apologies. Apparently, they are giving Austin days off to protect his hamstring. I think this is a win-win here. Hopefully, Austin stays healthy and plays well, while a younger guy(s) get good reps. I would love to see him go off early in the season, and then get traded for a 2014 pick, since he most likely will not be on the team in 2014 due to his contract.
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matt79511 wrote:
"Hey, he wasn't terrible in limited action!" is also what gets players like Alan Ball a starting job. Coaches can of course be wrong about their own players, but they see a lot more than we do between practices and watching tape, so when it comes to who starts and how much everyone plays they typically make the right calls.


Pretty sure Ball got a starting job because of injuries to the guys ahead of him.
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