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PostPosted: Thu Jun 06, 2013 1:41 pm    Post subject: Martin Mayhew is finally focused on special teams Reply with quote

Our special teams were pretty bad last year. Our punting was at the bottom of he league and left our defense in pretty tough spots on numerous occasions. We were hurt prett badly by our return game also. I think our special teams cost us at least two games last year.

We drafted Sam Martin in the 5th round and he should lock down the punting job. I think he will upgrade our punting game and really help our defense by not putting therm in bad positions. Our kicking game should be ok with Akers. Hugland will probably be signed to the practice squad

We have signed a number of players that are proven special teams players. Montell Owens made the Pro Bowl twice as a special teamer. Matt Willis was brought in from Denver and has also been a special teams stalwart. Michael Spurlock is a decent returner and should be a solid addition to our special teams.

I think that the upgrade to our punting game and the addition of three players who are proven special teams studs should give us a big boost and help us put us in a position to get two to three more wins just from the improvement on special teams. Thoughts?
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 06, 2013 1:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You should be able to draft special teams gunners and returners, and find a decent kicker via UDFA.

Paint me unimpressed.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 06, 2013 2:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

stylish313 wrote:
You should be able to draft special teams gunners and returners, and find a decent kicker via UDFA.

Paint me unimpressed.


I disagree about kickers. You don't often find consistent trustworthy kickers in UDFA. Spending a pick on a kicker makes me happy, and was needed.

We have drafted guys to add to special teams. And didn't get what we thought we would out of guys like R. Lewis and Whitehead. Adding guys when picks don't turn out is what is needed. I doubt there is a team out there who drafted all of their special teams players and has an UDFA kicker and if so I will bet they are at the bottom of the league.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 06, 2013 2:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

stylish313 wrote:
You should be able to draft special teams gunners and returners, and find a decent kicker via UDFA.

Paint me unimpressed.

Akers is hot garbage. When you manage ot get released mid-season without injury, you have issues.

And the punter was drafted, which points to our scouting dept liking him, but have our scouting dept ever had to scout a punter, do we know their success in such things? We have never drafted a P. In the end he is a rookie and will have to prove he has any value whatsoever just like any other rook.

A couple/few years ago Mayhew brought in Ashlee Palmer and a couple others that were supposedly ST aces and were supposed to make our STs the best in the league. I have yet to see the returns on that investment and remain skeptical until I actually see the improvement.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 06, 2013 4:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

FootballPhreak wrote:
stylish313 wrote:
You should be able to draft special teams gunners and returners, and find a decent kicker via UDFA.

Paint me unimpressed.

Akers is hot garbage. When you manage ot get released mid-season without injury, you have issues.

And the punter was drafted, which points to our scouting dept liking him, but have our scouting dept ever had to scout a punter, do we know their success in such things? We have never drafted a P. In the end he is a rookie and will have to prove he has any value whatsoever just like any other rook.

A couple/few years ago Mayhew brought in Ashlee Palmer and a couple others that were supposedly ST aces and were supposed to make our STs the best in the league. I have yet to see the returns on that investment and remain skeptical until I actually see the improvement.


The Lions special teams, in a word, are,"special."
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 06, 2013 4:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

FWIW Akers was recovering from injury last year.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 06, 2013 5:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

stylish313 wrote:
You should be able to draft special teams gunners and returners, and find a decent kicker via UDFA.

Paint me unimpressed.


I believe in drafting kickers/punters with decently high picks. But, I agree with your statement about being able to draft gunners and returners.

Mayhew went out and specifically went out and signed some gunners and specialists last offseason and that didn't do a whole lot. I'll believe the improvement when I see it. THese players still have to make the roster.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 06, 2013 11:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

stylish313 wrote:
You should be able to draft special teams gunners and returners, and find a decent kicker via UDFA.

Paint me unimpressed.


Or draft one in the second round of the 92 draft and let him be the kicker ( and the surest thing on the team) for the next two decades.
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 07, 2013 3:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think we are all forgetting how little talent that the Lions had when Mayhew took over. When you have an 0-16 roster you have to try to plug to biggest holes first. The GM for the Jaguars drafted a kicker in the third round last year and while he is a pretty good kicker they still had a horrible season.

Mayhew has made some mistakes but our roster has more talent now then it has had in a long time. We have a pretty good starting QB and a good back-up, a solid stable of RBs, a decent group of TEs, two very good starting DTs and a solid third DT, two pretty good safeties (assuming Delmas gets on the field regularly), a group of young CBs that have a lot of talent, Rilet Reiff, Chris Houston, Larry Warford, and Calvin Johnson.

Creating a playoff-caliber roster takes time. It takes even more time when the only legitimate NFL talent on your roster are Jason Hanson and Calvin Johnson. I think that after this draft, we can finally stop saying we have a lot of needs. Until know, Mayhew has been scrambling to find legitimate NFL starters. As much as he special teams play has frustrated me, the offense and defense had to be rebuilt first.

In my opinion, the signings of players like Montrell Lewis, Matt Willis, and Michael Spurlock are the kind of low-key signings that we need to push us into playoff contention. At the very least, I think improved special teams play will give us 2-3 more wins even if we don't improve in other areas too much.
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 07, 2013 3:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think we are all forgetting how little talent that the Lions had when Mayhew took over. When you have an 0-16 roster you have to try to plug to biggest holes first. The GM for the Jaguars drafted a kicker in the third round last year and while he is a pretty good kicker they still had a horrible season.

Mayhew has made some mistakes but our roster has more talent now then it has had in a long time. We have a pretty good starting QB and a good back-up, a solid stable of RBs, a decent group of TEs, two very good starting DTs and a solid third DT, two pretty good safeties (assuming Delmas gets on the field regularly), a group of young CBs that have a lot of talent, Rilet Reiff, Chris Houston, Larry Warford, and Calvin Johnson.

Creating a playoff-caliber roster takes time. It takes even more time when the only legitimate NFL talent on your roster are Jason Hanson and Calvin Johnson. I think that after this draft, we can finally stop saying we have a lot of needs. Until know, Mayhew has been scrambling to find legitimate NFL starters. As much as he special teams play has frustrated me, the offense and defense had to be rebuilt first.

In my opinion, the signings of players like Montrell Lewis, Matt Willis, and Michael Spurlock are the kind of low-key signings that we need to push us into playoff contention. At the very least, I think improved special teams play will give us 2-3 more wins even if we don't improve in other areas too much.
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 07, 2013 3:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think we are all forgetting how little talent that the Lions had when Mayhew took over. When you have an 0-16 roster you have to try to plug to biggest holes first. The GM for the Jaguars drafted a kicker in the third round last year and while he is a pretty good kicker they still had a horrible season.

Mayhew has made some mistakes but our roster has more talent now then it has had in a long time. We have a pretty good starting QB and a good back-up, a solid stable of RBs, a decent group of TEs, two very good starting DTs and a solid third DT, two pretty good safeties (assuming Delmas gets on the field regularly), a group of young CBs that have a lot of talent, Rilet Reiff, Chris Houston, Larry Warford, and Calvin Johnson.

Creating a playoff-caliber roster takes time. It takes even more time when the only legitimate NFL talent on your roster are Jason Hanson and Calvin Johnson. I think that after this draft, we can finally stop saying we have a lot of needs. Until know, Mayhew has been scrambling to find legitimate NFL starters. As much as he special teams play has frustrated me, the offense and defense had to be rebuilt first.

In my opinion, the signings of players like Montrell Lewis, Matt Willis, and Michael Spurlock are the kind of low-key signings that we need to push us into playoff contention. At the very least, I think improved special teams play will give us 2-3 more wins even if we don't improve in other areas too much.
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 07, 2013 8:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sorry about the repeat response. I am posting from Afghanistan and the Internet connection went kind of haywire.
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 07, 2013 8:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

WillParks wrote:
Sorry about the repeat response. I am posting from Afghanistan and the Internet connection went kind of haywire.


Don't worry about it. I think we can make an exception. It's not a big deal.
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 07, 2013 8:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Like most of the Lions problems, I believe our ST's issues have been more a cause of bad coaching, rather than bad personnel.

Right after the debacle against TEN, we all remember MIN returning the opening kickoff for a TD. Frazier said in the post game there was a flaw in our coverage that they exploited, and he was right.
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 07, 2013 8:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

On ST, you draft a guy to be a kicker/punter, returner, and maybe snapper. I'm not entirely sure how you focus on ST outside of those positions. You don't groom gunners etc. They're just guys that are trying to work their way up the depth chart and are expendable enough to put out there.

Football players have no excuse to be "bad on ST". Either the coaching is bad or the player is bad... or not trying.
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