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kethnaab


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PostPosted: Sun May 26, 2013 4:29 am    Post subject: So about Shea McClellin.... Reply with quote

What's the deal with this cat? I never really saw him as a true DE, seems too slight of size to be a defensive end. Always saw him as a 3-4 OLB type of guy. He obviously didn't see the field much last season. Was he not good, undersized, too slow, etc? Seems like an odd match for DE, but that's only what I saw when he was at BSU
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PostPosted: Sun May 26, 2013 9:45 am    Post subject: Re: So about Shea McClellin.... Reply with quote

kethnaab wrote:
What's the deal with this cat? I never really saw him as a true DE, seems too slight of size to be a defensive end. Always saw him as a 3-4 OLB type of guy. He obviously didn't see the field much last season. Was he not good, undersized, too slow, etc? Seems like an odd match for DE, but that's only what I saw when he was at BSU
He saw the field quite a bit he just never did much. He's added some bulk recently so that's good.
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PostPosted: Sun May 26, 2013 9:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

He saw the field enough last season to be effective…by giving us a four man rotation at DE our sack total went up from 33 in 2011 to 41 in 2012…McClellin himself was as advertised…very athletic and quick off the snap but didn’t bring a lot of power…he was drafted for his movement skills and will hopefully add more strength in the weight room this offseason under new S&C coach Mike Clark…for a D that stresses athleticism over anything else McClellin at 260lbs is plenty big enough to play DE…just needs to gain more strength.
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PostPosted: Sun May 26, 2013 10:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Madmike90 wrote:
He saw the field enough last season to be effective…by giving us a four man rotation at DE our sack total went up from 33 in 2011 to 41 in 2012…McClellin himself was as advertised…very athletic and quick off the snap but didn’t bring a lot of power…he was drafted for his movement skills and will hopefully add more strength in the weight room this offseason under new S&C coach Mike Clark…for a D that stresses athleticism over anything else McClellin at 260lbs is plenty big enough to play DE…just needs to gain more strength.

I think as much as he needed to add strength he needed to add a counter move to his speed rush. If he can develop that he could potentially be a 8-10 sack guy this year even as just a pass rush specialist.
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PostPosted: Sun May 26, 2013 10:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Madmike90 wrote:
He saw the field enough last season to be effective…by giving us a four man rotation at DE our sack total went up from 33 in 2011 to 41 in 2012…McClellin himself was as advertised…very athletic and quick off the snap but didn’t bring a lot of power…he was drafted for his movement skills and will hopefully add more strength in the weight room this offseason under new S&C coach Mike Clark…for a D that stresses athleticism over anything else McClellin at 260lbs is plenty big enough to play DE…just needs to gain more strength.

I think as much as he needed to add strength he needed to add a counter move to his speed rush. If he can develop that he could potentially be a 8-10 sack guy this year even as just a pass rush specialist.


I think the counter move will come with time and was starting to get better towards the backend of the season…my biggest concern was the amount of times he got his hands on the QB but wasn’t able to finish the play and pull the QB down…that has to improve the most for me.
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PostPosted: Sun May 26, 2013 11:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Use the "search" feature. We've discussed this topic to death.
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PostPosted: Sun May 26, 2013 11:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Madmike90 wrote:
AZBearsFan wrote:
Madmike90 wrote:
He saw the field enough last season to be effective…by giving us a four man rotation at DE our sack total went up from 33 in 2011 to 41 in 2012…McClellin himself was as advertised…very athletic and quick off the snap but didn’t bring a lot of power…he was drafted for his movement skills and will hopefully add more strength in the weight room this offseason under new S&C coach Mike Clark…for a D that stresses athleticism over anything else McClellin at 260lbs is plenty big enough to play DE…just needs to gain more strength.

I think as much as he needed to add strength he needed to add a counter move to his speed rush. If he can develop that he could potentially be a 8-10 sack guy this year even as just a pass rush specialist.


I think the counter move will come with time and was starting to get better towards the backend of the season…my biggest concern was the amount of times he got his hands on the QB but wasn’t able to finish the play and pull the QB down…that has to improve the most for me.


I think he really needs to improve in his ability to play the run, more strength should help with that. If he can't improve in his ability to play against the run, we wasted a 1st round pick on a pass rush specialist, 1st round DE's should be 3 down players.
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PostPosted: Sun May 26, 2013 1:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

IronMike84 wrote:
Use the "search" feature. We've discussed this topic to death.


Search feature, hmm.
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IronMike84 wrote:
Use the "search" feature. We've discussed this topic to death.


My apologies, I've obviously offended you. I went back several pages and didn't see his name mentioned, so I figured, with it being the offseason and all, I'd ask a question.


to everyone else, thank you for the responses. Has there been any 'official' talk of making adjustments to his role, i.e. 2-point pass rusher, move him around the field, or do you think he will simply be given time as a DE to continue to develop, especially with the strength he has apparently added?

What is the general consensus? Is this going to be a 'breakout' year for him where he starts to get more time on the field and starts earning his draft position or is he still going to be a work in progress?
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kethnaab wrote:
IronMike84 wrote:
Use the "search" feature. We've discussed this topic to death.


My apologies, I've obviously offended you. I went back several pages and didn't see his name mentioned, so I figured, with it being the offseason and all, I'd ask a question.


to everyone else, thank you for the responses. Has there been any 'official' talk of making adjustments to his role, i.e. 2-point pass rusher, move him around the field, or do you think he will simply be given time as a DE to continue to develop, especially with the strength he has apparently added?

What is the general consensus? Is this going to be a 'breakout' year for him where he starts to get more time on the field and starts earning his draft position or is he still going to be a work in progress?


It's really tough to say right now. Peppers and Wooten are the starters, but we do rotate our linemen quite a bit. We have a nickel package that moves Wooten inside and puts Shea Mack on the edge. I like the kid's athleticism, I like his "motor". He just needs to get stronger and work on his arsenal of moves, his speed-counter in particular. If he can figure that out and work on a bullrush, I think a double digit sack season isn't out of reach (I still think that's another season away).
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PostPosted: Mon May 27, 2013 4:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

G08 wrote:
kethnaab wrote:
IronMike84 wrote:
Use the "search" feature. We've discussed this topic to death.


My apologies, I've obviously offended you. I went back several pages and didn't see his name mentioned, so I figured, with it being the offseason and all, I'd ask a question.


to everyone else, thank you for the responses. Has there been any 'official' talk of making adjustments to his role, i.e. 2-point pass rusher, move him around the field, or do you think he will simply be given time as a DE to continue to develop, especially with the strength he has apparently added?

What is the general consensus? Is this going to be a 'breakout' year for him where he starts to get more time on the field and starts earning his draft position or is he still going to be a work in progress?


It's really tough to say right now. Peppers and Wooten are the starters, but we do rotate our linemen quite a bit. We have a nickel package that moves Wooten inside and puts Shea Mack on the edge. I like the kid's athleticism, I like his "motor". He just needs to get stronger and work on his arsenal of moves, his speed-counter in particular. If he can figure that out and work on a bullrush, I think a double digit sack season isn't out of reach (I still think that's another season away).


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I agree, but dont think he's necessarily another season away from double-digit sacks. With a solid off-season, he should make a significant impact this year.

To the OP, we did line him up several times at end (standing) ...for QB contain purposes ....he is great at helping keep guys like RWestbrook and CKap in check.
....he can run with TEs too and I wouldn't be surprised at all if we use him there some. He's an extremely versatile defender with a great motor. I'm expecting several highlights from him this season
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SLCbear wrote:
G08 wrote:
kethnaab wrote:
IronMike84 wrote:
Use the "search" feature. We've discussed this topic to death.


My apologies, I've obviously offended you. I went back several pages and didn't see his name mentioned, so I figured, with it being the offseason and all, I'd ask a question.


to everyone else, thank you for the responses. Has there been any 'official' talk of making adjustments to his role, i.e. 2-point pass rusher, move him around the field, or do you think he will simply be given time as a DE to continue to develop, especially with the strength he has apparently added?

What is the general consensus? Is this going to be a 'breakout' year for him where he starts to get more time on the field and starts earning his draft position or is he still going to be a work in progress?


It's really tough to say right now. Peppers and Wooten are the starters, but we do rotate our linemen quite a bit. We have a nickel package that moves Wooten inside and puts Shea Mack on the edge. I like the kid's athleticism, I like his "motor". He just needs to get stronger and work on his arsenal of moves, his speed-counter in particular. If he can figure that out and work on a bullrush, I think a double digit sack season isn't out of reach (I still think that's another season away).


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I agree, but dont think he's necessarily another season away from double-digit sacks. With a solid off-season, he should make a significant impact this year.

To the OP, we did line him up several times at end (standing) ...for QB contain purposes ....he is great at helping keep guys like RWestbrook and CKap in check.
....he can run with TEs too and I wouldn't be surprised at all if we use him there some. He's an extremely versatile defender with a great motor. I'm expecting several highlights from him this season


Russell Westbrook, eh?

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chisoxguy7 wrote:
SLCbear wrote:
G08 wrote:
kethnaab wrote:
IronMike84 wrote:
Use the "search" feature. We've discussed this topic to death.


My apologies, I've obviously offended you. I went back several pages and didn't see his name mentioned, so I figured, with it being the offseason and all, I'd ask a question.


to everyone else, thank you for the responses. Has there been any 'official' talk of making adjustments to his role, i.e. 2-point pass rusher, move him around the field, or do you think he will simply be given time as a DE to continue to develop, especially with the strength he has apparently added?

What is the general consensus? Is this going to be a 'breakout' year for him where he starts to get more time on the field and starts earning his draft position or is he still going to be a work in progress?


It's really tough to say right now. Peppers and Wooten are the starters, but we do rotate our linemen quite a bit. We have a nickel package that moves Wooten inside and puts Shea Mack on the edge. I like the kid's athleticism, I like his "motor". He just needs to get stronger and work on his arsenal of moves, his speed-counter in particular. If he can figure that out and work on a bullrush, I think a double digit sack season isn't out of reach (I still think that's another season away).


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I agree, but dont think he's necessarily another season away from double-digit sacks. With a solid off-season, he should make a significant impact this year.

To the OP, we did line him up several times at end (standing) ...for QB contain purposes ....he is great at helping keep guys like RWestbrook and CKap in check.
....he can run with TEs too and I wouldn't be surprised at all if we use him there some. He's an extremely versatile defender with a great motor. I'm expecting several highlights from him this season


Russell Westbrook, eh?

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PostPosted: Mon May 27, 2013 10:27 pm    Post subject: Re: So about Shea McClellin.... Reply with quote

kethnaab wrote:
What's the deal with this cat? I never really saw him as a true DE, seems too slight of size to be a defensive end. Always saw him as a 3-4 OLB type of guy. He obviously didn't see the field much last season. Was he not good, undersized, too slow, etc? Seems like an odd match for DE, but that's only what I saw when he was at BSU


Also remember the style of defense the Bears play. Unlike the 3-4 which PIT has used so well over the years where the defensive lineman generally try to control two gaps, the Bears' defensive lineman primarily attack only one gap, and do so to rush into the backfield and only control that one gap. So Shea's size is not an issue. Adewale Ogunleye was actually 260 as well, and 2-3 inches taller, and that was at his max weight. I think eventually Shea will bulk up from 260 to up to 275, but they cannot rush a weight gain without compromising speed and agility, which are key to his playing style. He was drafted by Emery for his perceived ceiling potential, not to step in and be a stud player (otherwise we wouldn't have had a shot at him most likely lol). I think after this season he will have much more experience, and more importantly will have the physical strength and technical skills developed to be much harder to block in the passing game. If he played in PIT's defensive scheme, yes, he would undoubtedly at least start as an OLB, with a possibility of moving inside if need be. I personally think he has a lot of potential, but I won't "crown his a$$" yet.




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As far as his size goes, he looked like he could bulk up a big last season. Wasn't there a a report this spring that he put on a few pounds of muscle?
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