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| Tank Carradine, DE |
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21% |
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| Vance McDonald, TE |
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45% |
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| Corey Lemonier, OLB |
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8% |
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| Quinton Patton, WR |
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24% |
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| Quinton Dial, DL |
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| Nick Moody, ILB/STer |
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| BJ Daniels, QB/WR/KR/PR |
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| Carter Bykowski, OT |
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0% |
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| Marcus Cooper, CB |
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0% |
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| Lawrence Okoye, DL (UDFA) |
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0% |
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| Other (other UDFA's) |
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 Posted: Fri May 24, 2013 3:13 pm Post subject: Which rookie BESIDES Eric Reid makes the biggest impact? |
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Its no guarantee Reid makes the biggest impact, but he has by far the best chance. It'll be a minor upset if he isn't playing significant snaps from day 1, if not outright "starting". The poll would be lopsided with him there so i thought we could examine the other rookies. Also not including Lattimore as the HC himself said he wouldn't have a problem if Marcus missed the whole year...
I'll say Vance McDonald. He faces little to no competition for the #2 TE spot and gives us a physical mismatch that can find the open hole in zone coverage. He also has the frame to bully around DB's and the speed too. Very excited to see him play.
After (Reid, then) McDonald, i would say Patton (with Crabs injury), Carradine, and Lemonier make the most impact, in that order.
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Through rookie OTA's, and current team activities, I'm saying that McDonald has the biggest impact out of all of them, including Reid. His size and speed and shiftiness have already helped to eat up Reid some during the rookie OTA's, and he's performing fairly well so far from what I've read during these early days. I know that he did have a few drops the second day of rookie OTA, but I think everyone was expecting that; his hands aren't great yet.
Reid is going to struggle this year a little I think if he starts. I am still worried about him in coverage; it's one of the harder things to adjust to at the NFL level for a safety I think. Carradine will be rotational, and I think they'll bring him along slowly. Lemonier will also strictly be rotational; i expect a bigger impact from him next year (I don't see him overtaking Haralson for the primary backup role). Lattimore won't play this year, hopefully. Patton has a good opportunity to make a big impact, but receiver isn't a typically easy plug and play position. He showed some very good things, but there's definitely work to be done; he could end up as our primary punt returner though.
The later picks won't play much of course, but I think there's actually a good chance that Daniels makes the squad if he proves himself useful in versatility.
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^ yeah, I got to figure it will be Vance McD making the most noise in year 1.
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This one really threw my mind for a loop. I can see why everyone is thinking McD, and I really believe that Corey Lemonier is going to be a monster in our nickel package across from Aldon, but I voted Patton. There is just something about him that makes me think he will be successful from day one.
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I think Lemonier could make more of an impact on D than people expect. I think he could end up rotating with Brooks the same way Aldon rotated with Haralson in his rookie year. I'm not saying he'll get 14 sacks like Aldon did, but I don't think 8 or 9 would be that unrealistic.
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| Gore Whore 21 wrote: | | This one really threw my mind for a loop. I can see why everyone is thinking McD, and I really believe that Corey Lemonier is going to be a monster in our nickel package across from Aldon, but I voted Patton. There is just something about him that makes me think he will be successful from day one. |
I still stand by my guess, but yeah... my mind went straight to VMcD and then to Lem (if injury occurs).. and then to Patton. Both of the latter options, sure... possible. The "easy money" guess to me still seems to be VMcD, I'd think.
(and that's really just believing that our scheme will be much of the same, and Vance takes over that Walker role)
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| AMG1713 wrote: | | I think Lemonier could make more of an impact on D than people expect. I think he could end up rotating with Brooks the same way Aldon rotated with Haralson in his rookie year. I'm not saying he'll get 14 sacks like Aldon did, but I don't think 8 or 9 would be that unrealistic. |
Possible. But if Brooks hasn't slacked off this offseason or stays uninjured, it's conceivable that he will be on the field A LOT (again). Brooks seems to have really embraced the SICK work ethic from Justin and RayMac, and is likely in the best shape of his life. He had over 1100 snaps last year, but I do think (and hope) that Lem can take a bit of the load off of him.
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| Posted: Sat May 25, 2013 9:36 am Post subject: |
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| oldman9er wrote: | | Gore Whore 21 wrote: | | This one really threw my mind for a loop. I can see why everyone is thinking McD, and I really believe that Corey Lemonier is going to be a monster in our nickel package across from Aldon, but I voted Patton. There is just something about him that makes me think he will be successful from day one. |
I still stand by my guess, but yeah... my mind went straight to VMcD and then to Lem (if injury occurs).. and then to Patton. Both of the latter options, sure... possible. The "easy money" guess to me still seems to be VMcD, I'd think.
(and that's really just believing that our scheme will be much of the same, and Vance takes over that Walker role) |
I just can't be sure Lemonier will have a great impact, just because of the way we tend to substitute on D. Sure, we rotated Aldon in and out during his rookie season, but that's because he was head and shoulders above anyone else in term of pass rushing. I'm not at all convinced Lemonier, this year, will be at that level yet. I can see him having a major role in 2014, though. But with the return of Haralson, I don't expect much from him.
McDonald, on the other hand, is almost guaranteed playing time. Patton isn't. Lemonier isn't. Tank isn't. Lattimore is pretty much guaranteed no playing time. The rest of our draft picks and UDFA aren't even guaranteed a PS spot, let alone playing time. So, McDonald is the obvious choice here.
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| Posted: Sat May 25, 2013 2:13 pm Post subject: |
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I just can't be sure Lemonier will have a great impact, just because of the way we tend to substitute on D. Sure, we rotated Aldon in and out during his rookie season, but that's because he was head and shoulders above anyone else in term of pass rushing. I'm not at all convinced Lemonier, this year, will be at that level yet. I can see him having a major role in 2014, though. But with the return of Haralson, I don't expect much from him.
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I think we'll see a change in the substitution patterns this year. I don't think they can play the front 7 the amount of snaps they played them last year. Otherwise, you get what happened late in the season with both Justin and Aldon being completely ineffective playing with major injuries. I think the coaches and FO realized this, and instead of going heavy on DBs in the first couple of rounds of the draft like some people expected, they took a couple of pass rushers instead.
I also don't think Haralson will really factor into Lemonier's playing time. I think Haralson will basically be there to start and play in base formations if Brooks or Aldon got hurt. I think Lemonier's going to be a straight nickel pass rusher in his first year.
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| Posted: Sat May 25, 2013 2:30 pm Post subject: |
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| AMG1713 wrote: | | rudyZ wrote: |
I just can't be sure Lemonier will have a great impact, just because of the way we tend to substitute on D. Sure, we rotated Aldon in and out during his rookie season, but that's because he was head and shoulders above anyone else in term of pass rushing. I'm not at all convinced Lemonier, this year, will be at that level yet. I can see him having a major role in 2014, though. But with the return of Haralson, I don't expect much from him.
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I think we'll see a change in the substitution patterns this year. I don't think they can play the front 7 the amount of snaps they played them last year. Otherwise, you get what happened late in the season with both Justin and Aldon being completely ineffective playing with major injuries. I think the coaches and FO realized this, and instead of going heavy on DBs in the first couple of rounds of the draft like some people expected, they took a couple of pass rushers instead.
I also don't think Haralson will really factor into Lemonier's playing time. I think Haralson will basically be there to start and play in base formations if Brooks or Aldon got hurt. I think Lemonier's going to be a straight nickel pass rusher in his first year. |
I think the coaching staff might still like Brooks more than Lemonier at this stage. Lemonier might have a few snaps per game on the nickle set, but I still think Ahmad will play the bulk of the snaps there still.
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Vance will have the biggest impact.
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I think the coaching staff might still like Brooks more than Lemonier at this stage. Lemonier might have a few snaps per game on the nickle set, but I still think Ahmad will play the bulk of the snaps there still. |
I guess it will depend on how Lemonier does in TC. I was pretty high on him through the draft process. I felt like if the Auburn program wasn't in such disarray, and he didn't play most of the season on a bum ankle, he probably would have put up better tape, and might have been a 1st round pick. So I guess you could say I have high expectations for him.
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| AMG1713 wrote: | | rudyZ wrote: |
I think the coaching staff might still like Brooks more than Lemonier at this stage. Lemonier might have a few snaps per game on the nickle set, but I still think Ahmad will play the bulk of the snaps there still. |
I guess it will depend on how Lemonier does in TC. I was pretty high on him through the draft process. I felt like if the Auburn program wasn't in such disarray, and he didn't play most of the season on a bum ankle, he probably would have put up better tape, and might have been a 1st round pick. So I guess you could say I have high expectations for him. |
I can understand that. I loved Lemonier at Auburn and think he has great potential. But Ahmad Brooks is a very solid all-around player. And we still need someone who's solid against the run, even in the nickle package. Teams spend so much time in 3 WRs sets, and run from those sets as well, that we can't dismiss the run because it's a "throwing" formation. So, Lemonier will have to split time with Brooks, and I don't believe the split will be 50/50, but will rather lean much more heavily to Brooks' side. Next year, though, with experience and knowledge of the defense, I could see Lemonier stealing time away from Brooks, even leading to the eventual release of Brooks (unless he takes a paycut).
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| oldman9er wrote: | | AMG1713 wrote: | | I think Lemonier could make more of an impact on D than people expect. I think he could end up rotating with Brooks the same way Aldon rotated with Haralson in his rookie year. I'm not saying he'll get 14 sacks like Aldon did, but I don't think 8 or 9 would be that unrealistic. |
Possible. But if Brooks hasn't slacked off this offseason or stays uninjured, it's conceivable that he will be on the field A LOT (again). Brooks seems to have really embraced the SICK work ethic from Justin and RayMac, and is likely in the best shape of his life. He had over 1100 snaps last year, but I do think (and hope) that Lem can take a bit of the load off of him. |
I love Brooks and even I think that's too big of a workload.
BTW Tank will have the biggest impact behind Reid.
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