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PostPosted: Sat May 25, 2013 1:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'll take Flowers first of all the KC corners mentioned by 86.

Warfield sucked, simple as that.
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PostPosted: Sat May 25, 2013 1:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rearviewmirror wrote:
I'll take Flowers first of all the KC corners mentioned by 86.

Warfield sucked, simple as that.


Man, I forgot about Warfield. What a disappointing player. Isn't he in prison now, or something?
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PostPosted: Sat May 25, 2013 2:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jakuvious wrote:
Rearviewmirror wrote:
I'll take Flowers first of all the KC corners mentioned by 86.

Warfield sucked, simple as that.


Man, I forgot about Warfield. What a disappointing player. Isn't he in prison now, or something?

According to wiki, he had several DUIs resulting in 10 days in jail and a house arrest. He is apparently now an assistant coach with Nebraska.
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PostPosted: Sat May 25, 2013 11:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Really? We're talking about the best tweeners in Chiefs history and there's no mention of DT yet?

You want to hear a stale old Mongo rant? The biggest mistake the Chiefs ever made was moving away from the 3-4. Had they stayed with it for DT's entire career he'd be the all time sack leader. Too many years were wasted playing him at DE.
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PostPosted: Sat May 25, 2013 11:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Warfield.. man that kid had athletic ability! But he was similar to Carr's early struggles.. no real CB awareness.. and he never really grew out of it. Still I think he gets a bum wrap a bit. He was in a position that highlights failures almost as much as a QB gets highlighted, and he was on a island a lot.

Bartee was a scrub though! And yes Collins had a great transition. I heard a very cool and candid interview with Dale Carter on 810 about a year ago, the guy genuinely felt leaving KC was his biggest mistake. I wonder.. in todays game would you take Carter, Lewis, Flowers, Ross, or Hasty first for this team?

You forget Emmitt Thomas too.
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Rearviewmirror wrote:
I'll take Flowers first of all the KC corners mentioned by 86.

Wow! That's bold. I love Flowers, but I can't take him over any of those other guys.
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PostPosted: Sun May 26, 2013 1:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mongo wrote:
Rearviewmirror wrote:
I'll take Flowers first of all the KC corners mentioned by 86.

Wow! That's bold. I love Flowers, but I can't take him over any of those other guys.


see yourself out. All those other guys got to play while actually touching the receiver, Flowers doesn't get to do that, and he's still more shutdown than they are.
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PostPosted: Sun May 26, 2013 8:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mongo wrote:
Arrowhead86 wrote:
Warfield.. man that kid had athletic ability! But he was similar to Carr's early struggles.. no real CB awareness.. and he never really grew out of it. Still I think he gets a bum wrap a bit. He was in a position that highlights failures almost as much as a QB gets highlighted, and he was on a island a lot.

Bartee was a scrub though! And yes Collins had a great transition. I heard a very cool and candid interview with Dale Carter on 810 about a year ago, the guy genuinely felt leaving KC was his biggest mistake. I wonder.. in todays game would you take Carter, Lewis, Flowers, Ross, or Hasty first for this team?

You forget Emmitt Thomas too.

I did not.
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Rearviewmirror wrote:
I'll take Flowers first of all the KC corners mentioned by 86.

Wow! That's bold. I love Flowers, but I can't take him over any of those other guys.


see yourself out. All those other guys got to play while actually touching the receiver, Flowers doesn't get to do that, and he's still more shutdown than they are.


This is why I mention Emmit Thomas. That said, Lewis was the best pure cover guy the Chiefs have had.

ryk, DT was not a DB.

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Arrowhead86 wrote:
Warfield.. man that kid had athletic ability! But he was similar to Carr's early struggles.. no real CB awareness.. and he never really grew out of it. Still I think he gets a bum wrap a bit. He was in a position that highlights failures almost as much as a QB gets highlighted, and he was on a island a lot.

Bartee was a scrub though! And yes Collins had a great transition. I heard a very cool and candid interview with Dale Carter on 810 about a year ago, the guy genuinely felt leaving KC was his biggest mistake. I wonder.. in todays game would you take Carter, Lewis, Flowers, Ross, or Hasty first for this team?

ryknowssd wrote:
Really? We're talking about the best tweeners in Chiefs history and there's no mention of DT yet?


DT was pure LB to me. Gunther playing him in the so called "falcon" position for a season doesn't change that. Drafted as a LB and played LB.. hard to shove him into tweener status.


Refresh my memory...I am thinking he only had good athletic ability for a safety. As a CB, he was slow, not all that quick or agile...maybe his jumping stood out, that might be it.
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PostPosted: Sun May 26, 2013 1:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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ryk, DT was not a DB.


We've been discussing tweeners.

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A person or thing considered to fall between two other recognized categories or types.


DT is the definition of a tweener. And he's the best the Chiefs have ever had.
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ryk, DT was not a DB.


We've been discussing tweeners.

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DT is the definition of a tweener. And he's the best the Chiefs have ever had.


We were discussing CB/S tweeners.

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We were discussing CB/S tweeners.


Meh. Fine, Brandon Carr at least belongs in the conversation, then. Based on his build and physical nature, he really belonged at safety, but was still able to find a niche at corner and played extremely well for us. Sean Smith is another guy who fits that same mold.

That said, Carter is the best tweener DB I've personally ever seen play as a Chief with my own two eyes.
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onejayhawk wrote:
We were discussing CB/S tweeners.


Meh. Fine, Brandon Carr at least belongs in the conversation, then. Based on his build and physical nature, he really belonged at safety, but was still able to find a niche at corner and played extremely well for us. Sean Smith is another guy who fits that same mold.

That said, Carter is the best tweener DB I've personally ever seen play as a Chief with my own two eyes.

When someone never played a certain position, it's hard for me to call them a tweener.

And as far as CB's go, I'll take Albert Lewis over them all, despite finishing with the Raiders (Carl's fault anyway). He played longer than Carter for us, better stats (nearly double the INT's, 12.5 sacks vs. 0, etc.), and was way more well rounded with his ST's play.

I wish I had the chance to watch Emmitt Thomas though, as I believe he might have been the #1 guy, but I've got no context with him.
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bigschmadt00 wrote:
ryknowssd wrote:
onejayhawk wrote:
We were discussing CB/S tweeners.


Meh. Fine, Brandon Carr at least belongs in the conversation, then. Based on his build and physical nature, he really belonged at safety, but was still able to find a niche at corner and played extremely well for us. Sean Smith is another guy who fits that same mold.

That said, Carter is the best tweener DB I've personally ever seen play as a Chief with my own two eyes.

When someone never played a certain position, it's hard for me to call them a tweener.

And as far as CB's go, I'll take Albert Lewis over them all, despite finishing with the Raiders (Carl's fault anyway). He played longer than Carter for us, better stats (nearly double the INT's, 12.5 sacks vs. 0, etc.), and was way more well rounded with his ST's play.

I wish I had the chance to watch Emmitt Thomas though, as I believe he might have been the #1 guy, but I've got no context with him.

Ditto. Lewis wasn't a tweener, though. He was slick. Excellent at blocking kicks too.
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We were discussing CB/S tweeners.
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True, but Derrick Thomas belongs in any Chiefs conversation. Wink

Example:
Fred: The Chiefs need to tweak the uniforms
Barney: Derrick Thomas was awesome!
Fred: Yep. I guess the uniforms are fine.
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