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Giants WR Hakeem Nicks holdsout of OTAs, wants a new deal
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bballbkd1001


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PostPosted: Fri May 24, 2013 12:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

w4rrior723 wrote:
I've been saying the Giants should work on a contract with him NOW. He's probably going to have another great year next year and garner top 10 money. This is the lowest his value is ever gonna be.

+ 1

And cruz is at his highest peak when it comes to production. Averaging 1300 yards and 10 tds a year. He cannot keep those numbers thar high
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If Nicks could ever stay healthy I would pick him all day over Cruz. We cant tie up 40 million in our QB and his top 2 wrs. Cruz reminders me a lot of Welker and when it comes to investing millions I would rather have the less injury prone player. I think Randle could fill in at Nicks role after this year.
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PostPosted: Fri May 31, 2013 11:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

His lack of communication with the team is really starting to leave a sour taste in my mouth. The fact that he's told his agent not to say anything makes it worse. Lets sign Cruz and trade Nicks to Miami for as much as we can get (minimum 1st/3rd next draft) if he keeps up this child like behavior.
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His lack of communication with the team is really starting to leave a sour taste in my mouth. The fact that he's told his agent not to say anything makes it worse. Lets sign Cruz and trade Nicks to Miami for as much as we can get (minimum 1st/3rd next draft) if he keeps up this child like behavior.


trade him to KC so we can get into the Clowney convo next year Very Happy Laughing
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PostPosted: Fri May 31, 2013 12:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

dkebones wrote:
GmenSeattle wrote:
His lack of communication with the team is really starting to leave a sour taste in my mouth. The fact that he's told his agent not to say anything makes it worse. Lets sign Cruz and trade Nicks to Miami for as much as we can get (minimum 1st/3rd next draft) if he keeps up this child like behavior.


trade him to KC so we can get into the Clowney convo next year Very Happy Laughing


Maybe Jacksonville is a better target, KC's added some help in Smith and Reid. Also having fisher now I dont see them in the top 3 picks this year.

But I cant see us trading him regardless of how nice that sounds.
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I understand that "voluntary" means "mandatory" in Coughlin-speak, but no one is trading Nicks because he's missing from May OTAs.

Maybe he doesn't want to participate because he broke his foot during last year's OTAs, and he wants to be as healthy as possible in his contract year. Has he even been cleared to run yet? (I'm honestly not sure, but I can't recall seeing anywhere that he's been cleared.) Maybe he's having personal problems. Or maybe he really does want a new deal (although I very much doubt this, considering he's got almost no leverage).

Point is, no one seems to know why Hakeem isn't there except for the man himself and his agent, so we shouldn't jump to any conclusions.
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I understand that "voluntary" means "mandatory" in Coughlin-speak, but no one is trading Nicks because he's missing from May OTAs.

Maybe he doesn't want to participate because he broke his foot during last year's OTAs, and he wants to be as healthy as possible in his contract year. Has he even been cleared to run yet? (I'm honestly not sure, but I can't recall seeing anywhere that he's been cleared.) Maybe he's having personal problems. Or maybe he really does want a new deal (although I very much doubt this, considering he's got almost no leverage).

Point is, no one seems to know why Hakeem isn't there except for the man himself and his agent, so we shouldn't jump to any conclusions.


that's the whole point, that noone knows why he isn't there since he hasn't contacted anyone. i agree that he doesn't "mandatorily" have to be there, but no one can get a hold of him (apparently) and all his agent has said is "Hakeem is good." That's where the concern stems from.
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PostPosted: Fri May 31, 2013 4:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

dkebones wrote:
mlv wrote:
I understand that "voluntary" means "mandatory" in Coughlin-speak, but no one is trading Nicks because he's missing from May OTAs.

Maybe he doesn't want to participate because he broke his foot during last year's OTAs, and he wants to be as healthy as possible in his contract year. Has he even been cleared to run yet? (I'm honestly not sure, but I can't recall seeing anywhere that he's been cleared.) Maybe he's having personal problems. Or maybe he really does want a new deal (although I very much doubt this, considering he's got almost no leverage).

Point is, no one seems to know why Hakeem isn't there except for the man himself and his agent, so we shouldn't jump to any conclusions.


that's the whole point, that noone knows why he isn't there since he hasn't contacted anyone. i agree that he doesn't "mandatorily" have to be there, but no one can get a hold of him (apparently) and all his agent has said is "Hakeem is good." That's where the concern stems from.


Yes he doesn't have to be there...but everyone else is (for the most part?) But at least it means some new blood is getting reps and building chemistry with Eli:

http://www.giants101.com/2013/05/31/new-york-giants-wr-louis-murphy-developing-early-chemistry-with-qb-eli-manning/
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GmenSeattle wrote:
His lack of communication with the team is really starting to leave a sour taste in my mouth. The fact that he's told his agent not to say anything makes it worse. Lets sign Cruz and trade Nicks to Miami for as much as we can get (minimum 1st/3rd next draft) if he keeps up this child like behavior.


This.

Hes acting like a tool.
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 01, 2013 12:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Let's ship both Cruz and Nicks off for first round picks. Use the ammo to move up for Clowney and draft Andrew Jackson in the 2nd.

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PostPosted: Sat Jun 01, 2013 2:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Seriously we can have both never show up and still be above 9-7

But I do love the salsa and seeing nicks pull any ball away from any defensive back in the league.

We made steve smith a league name, we can make barden, murphy amd jernigan a stud.
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Ohhh Toomer...shh. Just shh...

http://www.giants101.com/2013/06/05/former-new-york-giants-wr-amani-toomer-says-victor-cruz-hakeem-nicks-learned-from-steve-smith/
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In the NFL, there's always a risk factor, for both parties, when it comes to signing contract. Weeks before his injury, Smith had a five-year, $35 million contract offer on the table that he had the opportunity to sign and secure his long-term financial wealth. He decided not to accept the deal and instead bargain with general manager Jerry Reese, and suffered a career altering injury not long after doing so.

Smith could have signed a contract that would have made him a very rich man, but the allure of making even more money led him to take a risk. He lost, and it's not the Giants fault that Smith got hurt. Additionally, the Giants would have been idiotic to keep the contract on the table post-injury. Toomer says that Cruz and Nicks are learning from how the Giants treated Smith, but the truth is, any team in the NFL would have pulled that offer off the table. Smith had a chance to sign, he didn't, got hurt, and now his career is over. As productive of a player as he was for Big Blue, it's entirely his fault that he didn't accept the long-term contract when it was offered.


If they learn anything from Smith it should be this. Take the damn money when it out's there. Because you never know when it will get pulled back.
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In the NFL, there's always a risk factor, for both parties, when it comes to signing contract. Weeks before his injury, Smith had a five-year, $35 million contract offer on the table that he had the opportunity to sign and secure his long-term financial wealth. He decided not to accept the deal and instead bargain with general manager Jerry Reese, and suffered a career altering injury not long after doing so.

Smith could have signed a contract that would have made him a very rich man, but the allure of making even more money led him to take a risk. He lost, and it's not the Giants fault that Smith got hurt. Additionally, the Giants would have been idiotic to keep the contract on the table post-injury. Toomer says that Cruz and Nicks are learning from how the Giants treated Smith, but the truth is, any team in the NFL would have pulled that offer off the table. Smith had a chance to sign, he didn't, got hurt, and now his career is over. As productive of a player as he was for Big Blue, it's entirely his fault that he didn't accept the long-term contract when it was offered.


If they learn anything from Smith it should be this. Take the damn money when it out's there. Because you never know when it will get pulled back.


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Neither Giants WR, Hakeem Nicks nor Victor Cruz, showed up for team physicals today before start of Tuesday's minicamp.


http://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/statuses/344207647676964864
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