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7DnBrnc53


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PostPosted: Fri May 17, 2013 12:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Good list, but Polamalu is #1, and Reed is #2 in my book.

Krause got a lot of INT's, but he was a zone player that was helped by a good pass rush, and he played in a weak division.

As for Lott, he was a hard hitter, but Easley and Fencik could hit harder in his day, and he wasn't a very good cover man. The media drives his "best ever" train like they do for a lot of 80's and 90's 49er players.
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PostPosted: Fri May 17, 2013 12:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

IMO, Jack Tatum and Atwater are both Top 10. But, it's not like you omitted them altogether. Overall good list my friend.
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PostPosted: Fri May 17, 2013 1:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

7DnBrnc53 wrote:
Good list, but Polamalu is #1, and Reed is #2 in my book.

Krause got a lot of INT's, but he was a zone player that was helped by a good pass rush, and he played in a weak division.

As for Lott, he was a hard hitter, but Easley and Fencik could hit harder in his day, and he wasn't a very good cover man. The media drives his "best ever" train like they do for a lot of 80's and 90's 49er players.


Lott couldn't cover?! He played Corner for a considerable portion of his career!
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PostPosted: Fri May 17, 2013 1:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

BlaqOptic wrote:
7DnBrnc53 wrote:
Good list, but Polamalu is #1, and Reed is #2 in my book.

Krause got a lot of INT's, but he was a zone player that was helped by a good pass rush, and he played in a weak division.

As for Lott, he was a hard hitter, but Easley and Fencik could hit harder in his day, and he wasn't a very good cover man. The media drives his "best ever" train like they do for a lot of 80's and 90's 49er players.


Lott couldn't cover?! He played Corner for a considerable portion of his career!


I actually wasn't sure if he should qualify on the list because he spent part of his career as a CB.
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PostPosted: Fri May 17, 2013 3:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

LuckIsGOAT wrote:
I appreciate the effort but I stopped reading when I saw Troy Polamalu at 9. Troy is a top 4 safety at absolute worst.


although I agree with your idea, the OP explained fairly accurately, it's all about the injuries.
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PostPosted: Fri May 17, 2013 3:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Billy Spikes wrote:
BlaqOptic wrote:


Lott couldn't cover?! He played Corner for a considerable portion of his career!


I actually wasn't sure if he should qualify on the list because he spent part of his career as a CB.


an argument can probably be made for Rod Woodson since he spent the last half decade of his career as a FS and did remarkably well (dern physical freaks)
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PostPosted: Fri May 17, 2013 3:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

7DnBrnc53 wrote:
Good list, but Polamalu is #1, and Reed is #2 in my book.

Krause got a lot of INT's, but he was a zone player that was helped by a good pass rush, and he played in a weak division.

As for Lott, he was a hard hitter, but Easley and Fencik could hit harder in his day, and he wasn't a very good cover man. The media drives his "best ever" train like they do for a lot of 80's and 90's 49er players.


Lott could cover well. Particularly well for a safety. That isn't media hype.

I'm starting to see a pretty clear anti Niners agenda with you. I have been trying to give you the benefit of the doubt here. But its getting harder and harder.
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PostPosted: Fri May 17, 2013 7:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Good list, but I think Polamalu deserves to be in the top 5....His peak has been unbelievable
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PostPosted: Fri May 17, 2013 8:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

There is no safety in history that I would consider taking over Polamalu at his best except for maaaybe Lott, but I can understand having him low on the list due to his injury issues.
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PostPosted: Fri May 17, 2013 8:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bobikus wrote:
There is no safety in history that I would consider taking over Polamalu at his best except for maaaybe Lott, but I can understand having him low on the list due to his injury issues.


Not saying i agree/disagree with that but either way, this list is about careers not small time periods.
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PostPosted: Fri May 17, 2013 8:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Other then Rodney Harrison being so high i like it
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PostPosted: Fri May 17, 2013 8:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Billy Spikes wrote:
Bobikus wrote:
There is no safety in history that I would consider taking over Polamalu at his best except for maaaybe Lott, but I can understand having him low on the list due to his injury issues.


Not saying i agree/disagree with that but either way, this list is about careers not small time periods.


If you want to do that, I would take Kenny Easley over Troy Polamalu (at their respective best)
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PostPosted: Fri May 17, 2013 9:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

J Pep 4 Step wrote:
7DnBrnc53 wrote:
Good list, but Polamalu is #1, and Reed is #2 in my book.

Krause got a lot of INT's, but he was a zone player that was helped by a good pass rush, and he played in a weak division.

As for Lott, he was a hard hitter, but Easley and Fencik could hit harder in his day, and he wasn't a very good cover man. The media drives his "best ever" train like they do for a lot of 80's and 90's 49er players.


Lott could cover well. Particularly well for a safety. That isn't media hype.

I'm starting to see a pretty clear anti Niners agenda with you. I have been trying to give you the benefit of the doubt here. But its getting harder and harder.


Yeah I mean Lott MIGHT be over rated in that he might only be say the 2nd or 3rd best all time safety but its not like he wasn't absolutely dominant in essentially all aspects of the game. To say he wasn't a very good cover man is just....
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PostPosted: Fri May 17, 2013 11:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

J Pep 4 Step wrote:
7DnBrnc53 wrote:
Good list, but Polamalu is #1, and Reed is #2 in my book.

Krause got a lot of INT's, but he was a zone player that was helped by a good pass rush, and he played in a weak division.

As for Lott, he was a hard hitter, but Easley and Fencik could hit harder in his day, and he wasn't a very good cover man. The media drives his "best ever" train like they do for a lot of 80's and 90's 49er players.


Lott could cover well. Particularly well for a safety. That isn't media hype.

I'm starting to see a pretty clear anti Niners agenda with you. I have been trying to give you the benefit of the doubt here. But its getting harder and harder.

Every 49er great is overrated because he relied on an incredible suporrting cast filled with 49er greats who are also overrated.
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PostPosted: Mon May 20, 2013 7:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tooki wrote:
Billy Spikes wrote:
Bobikus wrote:
There is no safety in history that I would consider taking over Polamalu at his best except for maaaybe Lott, but I can understand having him low on the list due to his injury issues.


Not saying i agree/disagree with that but either way, this list is about careers not small time periods.


If you want to do that, I would take Kenny Easley over Troy Polamalu (at their respective best)


They are one after the other and Polamalu [so far] played 11 seasons and won 2 Superbowl while Easley played 7 and won none, i said that part of success has a significant part on the rankings of the list.
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