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kethnaab


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PostPosted: Thu May 16, 2013 12:40 am    Post subject: Torrey Smith drew more penalties than all Steelers combined Reply with quote

Torrey Smith drew 16 penalties
https://www.profootballfocus.c...ly-may-13-2013/


All Steelers' WRs and TEs drew 15 penalties combined
http://www.steelersdepot.com/2...lers-receivers/


interesting.
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PostPosted: Thu May 16, 2013 5:44 am    Post subject: Re: Torrey Smith drew more penalties than all Steelers combi Reply with quote

kethnaab wrote:
Torrey Smith drew 16 penalties
https://www.profootballfocus.c...ly-may-13-2013/


All Steelers' WRs and TEs drew 15 penalties combined
http://www.steelersdepot.com/2...lers-receivers/


interesting.


Those links aren't working and IIRC linking to other websites is a no no.

Copy and paste a sentence or two of each article instead.
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PostPosted: Thu May 16, 2013 8:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Honestly thats just a product of a few different factors.

Our receivers are all tiny little people who dont/cant get physical. While the ravens receivers are not much bigger - they still are in fact bigger. You also have to add that with the next factor that is...

Haleys offense caters to the quick passing game - the Ravens, and Joe Flacco, like to throw the ball vertically a lot. Torrey Smith running past d-backs and chances for more jump balls will get more calls than the quick, intermediate pass routes that Haley utilizes.
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PostPosted: Thu May 16, 2013 9:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dcash4 wrote:
Honestly thats just a product of a few different factors.

Our receivers are all tiny little people who dont/cant get physical. While the ravens receivers are not much bigger - they still are in fact bigger. You also have to add that with the next factor that is...

Haleys offense caters to the quick passing game - the Ravens, and Joe Flacco, like to throw the ball vertically a lot. Torrey Smith running past d-backs and chances for more jump balls will get more calls than the quick, intermediate pass routes that Haley utilizes.


It is one of the raven's plays. Throw it deep and hope for a PI. That being said, the Steelers need to look at the Referee crew they are facing for how they call PI. If you get generous calls then throw it deep more often.
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PostPosted: Thu May 16, 2013 1:50 pm    Post subject: Re: Torrey Smith drew more penalties than all Steelers combi Reply with quote

stillersenat wrote:
kethnaab wrote:
Torrey Smith drew 16 penalties
https://www.profootballfocus.c...ly-may-13-2013/

All Steelers' WRs and TEs drew 15 penalties combined
http://www.steelersdepot.com/2...lers-receivers/


interesting.


Those links aren't working and IIRC linking to other websites is a no no.

Copy and paste a sentence or two of each article instead.


some of a biscuit!

first link shows penalties draw by each WR/TE (i.e. defensive holding, defensive pass interference, etc)

Torrey Smith drew 16, Reggie Wayne and Calvin Johnson drew 14. Jacoby Jones was also in the top 20 in % flags drawn / route ran. the closest team tandem was New York Giants, with 14 total, as compared to Torrey Smith alone having 16.

2nd link shows ALL penalties drawn by Steelers WR/TEs. 15 total, on the season.

So if it seemed like the Ravens were just hucking it downfield and waiting for a call, well, you're right, and it worked. It wasn't your imagination.
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PostPosted: Thu May 16, 2013 2:56 pm    Post subject: Re: Torrey Smith drew more penalties than all Steelers combi Reply with quote

kethnaab wrote:
So if it seemed like the Ravens were just hucking it downfield and waiting for a call, well, you're right, and it worked. It wasn't your imagination.


A vertical passing attack puts more pressure on the back end of a defense and is much more likely to garner those types of penalties - especially from guys who have some speed and are bigger targets and a quarterback with a big enough arm to wing it around.

I guess im just confused with intent. Is it just hating on the ravens to hate?
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PostPosted: Thu May 16, 2013 6:09 pm    Post subject: Re: Torrey Smith drew more penalties than all Steelers combi Reply with quote

Dcash4 wrote:
kethnaab wrote:
So if it seemed like the Ravens were just hucking it downfield and waiting for a call, well, you're right, and it worked. It wasn't your imagination.


A vertical passing attack puts more pressure on the back end of a defense and is much more likely to garner those types of penalties - especially from guys who have some speed and are bigger targets and a quarterback with a big enough arm to wing it around.

I guess im just confused with intent. Is it just hating on the ravens to hate?


no. the intent is to illustrate that statistical evidence exists to support what many of us noticed during the season. It's not hate, it's fact. they got an insane # of DPI/holding calls, and they are hardly the most 'vertical' attack, especially during the season
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PostPosted: Thu May 16, 2013 6:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

He should've had more earlier in the season, especially in that eagles game where Torrey was routinely burning up DRC, and he was blatantly holding Torrey's pads. In one of those holds, the ref was right there in front of the play, and DRC was holding so bad that his pads came off, and no flag. Thankfully the real refs came back. Laughing
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PostPosted: Thu May 16, 2013 6:22 pm    Post subject: Re: Torrey Smith drew more penalties than all Steelers combi Reply with quote

kethnaab wrote:
Dcash4 wrote:
kethnaab wrote:
So if it seemed like the Ravens were just hucking it downfield and waiting for a call, well, you're right, and it worked. It wasn't your imagination.


A vertical passing attack puts more pressure on the back end of a defense and is much more likely to garner those types of penalties - especially from guys who have some speed and are bigger targets and a quarterback with a big enough arm to wing it around.

I guess im just confused with intent. Is it just hating on the ravens to hate?


no. the intent is to illustrate that statistical evidence exists to support what many of us noticed during the season. It's not hate, it's fact. they got an insane # of DPI/holding calls, and they are hardly the most 'vertical' attack, especially during the season


We run the Air Coryell, which is in fact a offense that utilizes WRs to go deep.
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PostPosted: Thu May 16, 2013 6:35 pm    Post subject: Re: Torrey Smith drew more penalties than all Steelers combi Reply with quote

RavensDefense3 wrote:

We run the Air Coryell, which is in fact a offense that utilizes WRs to go deep.


that's what you ran while Cameron was there?
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PostPosted: Thu May 16, 2013 6:37 pm    Post subject: Re: Torrey Smith drew more penalties than all Steelers combi Reply with quote

kethnaab wrote:
RavensDefense3 wrote:

We run the Air Coryell, which is in fact a offense that utilizes WRs to go deep.


that's what you ran while Cameron was there?
Yes, and we're still using it right now with Caldwell to my knowledge.
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PostPosted: Thu May 16, 2013 7:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

wow, HUGELY different interpretations then?
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PostPosted: Thu May 16, 2013 8:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

kethnaab wrote:
wow, HUGELY different interpretations then?


Not sure what you're trying to say here.
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PostPosted: Thu May 16, 2013 11:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

RavensDefense3 wrote:
kethnaab wrote:
wow, HUGELY different interpretations then?


Not sure what you're trying to say here.


nothing, don't be paranoid. Smile

just that there was an obvious difference in how the offense performed once Cameron was gone.
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PostPosted: Fri May 17, 2013 6:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

This wasn't just last year, but for years. At least once a season the Steelers get a huge DPI call when playing the Ravens that sets up a key Ravens score when their offense had generally been doing -. People keep talking about Flacco's great arm strength...dude throws up a prayers and hopes for a flag or his WR to make a hell of a play for the ball.

The Steelers don't get any because they have smaller WR's who don't go up and fight for footballs. I could also throw in some league conspiracy [inappropriate/removed], but I'll stick with the first part. Wallace doesn't usually have a DB draped on him for his deep attempts, either. He is pretty good at outrunning people.
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