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PostPosted: Wed May 15, 2013 10:55 am    Post subject: 49ers in talks with Eric Mangini Reply with quote

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Former Jets and Browns coach Eric Mangini, out of the NFL since the conclusion of the 2010 season, could be getting back in.

Mangini is in talks with the 49ers about joining the team as a consultant, according to Jason La Canfora of CBS.

The man who vaulted into the ranks of head coaches after running Bill Belichick’s defense in New England has spent the last two years working for ESPN. Mangini’s name has been mentioned from time to time as a potential defensive coordinator.

In San Francisco, Mangini could be advance insurance against the potential departure of defensive coordinator Vic Fangio, who surely is moving closer to the head-coaching “A” list after spending the last two seasons orchestrating one of the best defenses in the league on a staff led by Jim Harbaugh, a former NFL quarterback and offensive specialist.


I was never a big fan of mangini; he wouldn't be my first pick as defensive coordinator if Fangio moves on. The weird thing though is that Fangio wasn't even mentioned this year as a head coaching candidate; I think its much more likely we lose Roman than Fangio. Teams seem to be avoiding the "defensive" head coaches and going for the offensive minds, so I'm actually feeling okay about Fangio not going anywhere. Otherwise, I'd love to know what these people actually "consult" on when they are hired. Teams do it all the time and I'd love to know exactly what it is they are helping with.
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PostPosted: Wed May 15, 2013 11:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Feel like he can't hurt us as a cosultant.

Wish we would've hired Chris Ault as a consultant instead of him going to KC. Probably couldn't hurt to have the founder of the pistol and Ck's old coach on board
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Feel like he can't hurt us as a cosultant.

Wish we would've hired Chris Ault as a consultant instead of him going to KC. Probably couldn't hurt to have the founder of the pistol and Ck's old coach on board


Agreed. I know that there was a lot of whispers about us hiring him, but I think it was mostly media and fan driven. Not sure if we ever got into discussions with him about becoming a consultant or not. I think our staff is doing a pretty solid job handling the zone read and pistol though, so I'm not sure what amount of help he would have really offered (outside of keeping him off another teams payroll).
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PostPosted: Wed May 15, 2013 12:22 pm    Post subject: Re: 49ers in talks with Eric Mangini Reply with quote

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I was never a big fan of mangini; he wouldn't be my first pick as defensive coordinator if Fangio moves on. The weird thing though is that Fangio wasn't even mentioned this year as a head coaching candidate; I think its much more likely we lose Roman than Fangio. Teams seem to be avoiding the "defensive" head coaches and going for the offensive minds, so I'm actually feeling okay about Fangio not going anywhere. Otherwise, I'd love to know what these people actually "consult" on when they are hired. Teams do it all the time and I'd love to know exactly what it is they are helping with.


Yeah, I get that feeling, too. It makes sense, if you think about it. Defense is mostly reactive; there is only so much that can be achieved by way of scheme.
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PostPosted: Wed May 15, 2013 12:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ault is old though so its not a realistic scenario that he'd be around for awhile. I think we are doing fine implementing the pistol here.
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Ault is old though so its not a realistic scenario that he'd be around for awhile. I think we are doing fine implementing the pistol here.


Would still be nice to keep it within SF
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PostPosted: Thu May 16, 2013 3:45 am    Post subject: Re: 49ers in talks with Eric Mangini Reply with quote

I do NOT like this move at all. There are rumors that he was the guy who blew the whistle on spygate in NE. Assuming they were doing it for years, he directly benefited from the tapings and then he ditches them for a head coaching job immediately, and when that turns sour he gets bitter and releases sensitive information about his old team??? DO NOT WANT


I dont think fangio leaves for a HC job. Hes got a really good gig here and he knows it. He has a chance to do some all time great things here, I dont think he has that opportunity anywhere else. I think roman will leave after we win a SB, and do a fairly good job somewhere else. Hes a lot younger. Fangio has been a career DC, and while a part of him probably wants a shot as a HC, anywhere else he goes wont have as much talent on D as we have now. Im hoping he sees that we have the chance to make history, with the next decade or so of defense... so many young stars, and we are only getting better.


If I had room in my sig, I would start the classic y2 "49ers who need to go" list:

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PostPosted: Thu May 16, 2013 5:18 am    Post subject: Re: 49ers in talks with Eric Mangini Reply with quote

NINERFAN_4_LIFE wrote:
I do NOT like this move at all. There are rumors that he was the guy who blew the whistle on spygate in NE. Assuming they were doing it for years, he directly benefited from the tapings and then he ditches them for a head coaching job immediately, and when that turns sour he gets bitter and releases sensitive information about his old team??? DO NOT WANT


I dont think fangio leaves for a HC job. Hes got a really good gig here and he knows it. He has a chance to do some all time great things here, I dont think he has that opportunity anywhere else. I think roman will leave after we win a SB, and do a fairly good job somewhere else. Hes a lot younger. Fangio has been a career DC, and while a part of him probably wants a shot as a HC, anywhere else he goes wont have as much talent on D as we have now. Im hoping he sees that we have the chance to make history, with the next decade or so of defense... so many young stars, and we are only getting better.


If I had room in my sig, I would start the classic y2 "49ers who need to go" list:

Craig Dahl
"Mangenius"
Adam Synder

I feel like im missing someone... Im having chilo rachal and tully banta cain flashbacks


well, you said yourself that those are just rumors. I would imagine if they are serious rumors, that it would be something harbaugh and ballke would address when speaking with him due to the duo's pension for secrecy. I just don't want him as a coach/coordinator; I don't think he handles players well at all and I think that would clash a great deal with the player type coaches we have in harbaugh, seely, tomsula, etc. But I don't feel that fangio is going anywhere. As I said prior, I think teams are looking for offensive minds and not defensive minds to be their head coach. Its simply the NFL that we are dealing with now, so I don't think it's an issue of Fangio even "not wanting" a particular job because of their roster. I think he'd take a job if offered.

Regarding Mangini, the man knows his football. I'm not going to take that away from him. He just doesn't handle players well (he doesn't make great personnel moves either, but I don't think that's an issue here). I don't really mind so long as he stays in the front office in a "consulting" role. I'd just love to know specifically what he would be consulting on.
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PostPosted: Thu May 16, 2013 8:28 am    Post subject: Re: 49ers in talks with Eric Mangini Reply with quote

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NINERFAN_4_LIFE wrote:
I do NOT like this move at all. There are rumors that he was the guy who blew the whistle on spygate in NE. Assuming they were doing it for years, he directly benefited from the tapings and then he ditches them for a head coaching job immediately, and when that turns sour he gets bitter and releases sensitive information about his old team??? DO NOT WANT


I dont think fangio leaves for a HC job. Hes got a really good gig here and he knows it. He has a chance to do some all time great things here, I dont think he has that opportunity anywhere else. I think roman will leave after we win a SB, and do a fairly good job somewhere else. Hes a lot younger. Fangio has been a career DC, and while a part of him probably wants a shot as a HC, anywhere else he goes wont have as much talent on D as we have now. Im hoping he sees that we have the chance to make history, with the next decade or so of defense... so many young stars, and we are only getting better.


If I had room in my sig, I would start the classic y2 "49ers who need to go" list:

Craig Dahl
"Mangenius"
Adam Synder

I feel like im missing someone... Im having chilo rachal and tully banta cain flashbacks


well, you said yourself that those are just rumors. I would imagine if they are serious rumors, that it would be something harbaugh and ballke would address when speaking with him due to the duo's pension for secrecy. I just don't want him as a coach/coordinator; I don't think he handles players well at all and I think that would clash a great deal with the player type coaches we have in harbaugh, seely, tomsula, etc. But I don't feel that fangio is going anywhere. As I said prior, I think teams are looking for offensive minds and not defensive minds to be their head coach. Its simply the NFL that we are dealing with now, so I don't think it's an issue of Fangio even "not wanting" a particular job because of their roster. I think he'd take a job if offered.

Regarding Mangini, the man knows his football. I'm not going to take that away from him. He just doesn't handle players well (he doesn't make great personnel moves either, but I don't think that's an issue here). I don't really mind so long as he stays in the front office in a "consulting" role. I'd just love to know specifically what he would be consulting on.


Barrows pointed out that although Fangio is not getting much (if any) attention as an HC, Donatell IS getting attention as a possible DC while he is currently our DB coach. We have been able to deny other teams due to him still under contract...that isn't going to last. Mangini has been a DB coach before and has a pretty good grasp of D over all.
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PostPosted: Thu May 16, 2013 8:41 am    Post subject: Re: 49ers in talks with Eric Mangini Reply with quote

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Forge wrote:
NINERFAN_4_LIFE wrote:
I do NOT like this move at all. There are rumors that he was the guy who blew the whistle on spygate in NE. Assuming they were doing it for years, he directly benefited from the tapings and then he ditches them for a head coaching job immediately, and when that turns sour he gets bitter and releases sensitive information about his old team??? DO NOT WANT


I dont think fangio leaves for a HC job. Hes got a really good gig here and he knows it. He has a chance to do some all time great things here, I dont think he has that opportunity anywhere else. I think roman will leave after we win a SB, and do a fairly good job somewhere else. Hes a lot younger. Fangio has been a career DC, and while a part of him probably wants a shot as a HC, anywhere else he goes wont have as much talent on D as we have now. Im hoping he sees that we have the chance to make history, with the next decade or so of defense... so many young stars, and we are only getting better.


If I had room in my sig, I would start the classic y2 "49ers who need to go" list:

Craig Dahl
"Mangenius"
Adam Synder

I feel like im missing someone... Im having chilo rachal and tully banta cain flashbacks


well, you said yourself that those are just rumors. I would imagine if they are serious rumors, that it would be something harbaugh and ballke would address when speaking with him due to the duo's pension for secrecy. I just don't want him as a coach/coordinator; I don't think he handles players well at all and I think that would clash a great deal with the player type coaches we have in harbaugh, seely, tomsula, etc. But I don't feel that fangio is going anywhere. As I said prior, I think teams are looking for offensive minds and not defensive minds to be their head coach. Its simply the NFL that we are dealing with now, so I don't think it's an issue of Fangio even "not wanting" a particular job because of their roster. I think he'd take a job if offered.

Regarding Mangini, the man knows his football. I'm not going to take that away from him. He just doesn't handle players well (he doesn't make great personnel moves either, but I don't think that's an issue here). I don't really mind so long as he stays in the front office in a "consulting" role. I'd just love to know specifically what he would be consulting on.


Barrows pointed out that although Fangio is not getting much (if any) attention as an HC, Donatell IS getting attention as a possible DC while he is currently our DB coach. We have been able to deny other teams due to him still under contract...that isn't going to last. Mangini has been a DB coach before and has a pretty good grasp of D over all.
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As much as I love Donatell, I'm curious why he is getting more love as a defensive coordinator prospect than Tomsula. If i was a rival team, it'd be Tomsula I'd be looking at first and foremost. I thought i read somewhere that Tomsula could only leave for a head coaching gig? Same for Seely? Not sure how true that is.

Becoming a secondary coach would seem like an odd move for Mangini, though it would definitely show how much he wants to get back into football and coaching; seems like a step backward from where he is now. I think he does a ton of television/radio/media things for the outlets, doesn't he? Becoming a db coach also seems like a step back from even being a consultant for a team. I wonder how legitimate these rumors are of our interest in hiring him.
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Just saw that we might bring in Bob Ladouceur in also! That would be amazing! The Greatest high school coach ever in the history of football and a bay area living legend!
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Mangini is a solid guy not sure Id be happy with him as our defensive coordinator tho. Fangio imo has no buisness being a HC in the NFL. Its just not him. Roman is more likely to part ways those down line.
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Mangini is a solid guy not sure Id be happy with him as our defensive coordinator tho. Fangio imo has no buisness being a HC in the NFL. Its just not him. Roman is more likely to part ways those down line.


And weirdly, I'd be okay with Roman leaving and becoming a head coach. I think he's very good at scheming and creating successful situations and there are a lot of things to like about what he does and I don't want it to sound like I don't think he's a very good offensive coordinator, because I do, but I dislike his red zone calls and his overall playcalling can sometimes be curious. Mostly though, I just hate the way he handles the redzone which i think is terrible and has been for the last 2 years. If we do lose roman to a head coaching gig, and I do expect us to after this year (provided he doesn't miss the window of opportunity for all the teams like he did this year), I hope we fill the spot internally to keep the continuity and familiarity with Harbaugh. Chryst of course seems like the logical successor, though I'm sure that Baalke and Harbaugh will open it up externally as well. For some reason, I just feel like out of all our assistants, Roman would be the easiest to replace without losing much or possibly even gaining something. I have no idea why i feel this way, just do.
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PostPosted: Thu May 16, 2013 11:56 am    Post subject: Re: 49ers in talks with Eric Mangini Reply with quote

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As much as I love Donatell, I'm curious why he is getting more love as a defensive coordinator prospect than Tomsula. If i was a rival team, it'd be Tomsula I'd be looking at first and foremost. I thought i read somewhere that Tomsula could only leave for a head coaching gig? Same for Seely? Not sure how true that is.

Becoming a secondary coach would seem like an odd move for Mangini, though it would definitely show how much he wants to get back into football and coaching; seems like a step backward from where he is now. I think he does a ton of television/radio/media things for the outlets, doesn't he? Becoming a db coach also seems like a step back from even being a consultant for a team. I wonder how legitimate these rumors are of our interest in hiring him.



The only reason I see for Tomsula still being a position coach is his ability with the Xs and Os. He's great with technique, and amazing at relating to players, but those qualities are secondary to Xs and Os when it's time to select a coordinator. Some guys just aren't meant to be coordinators. I could see a team eventually being interested in him as a head coach, even without any coordinating experience, just because of his other qualities, which are top notch.

As for Mangini... other DCs have taken steps back before. Donatell himself was a DC at some point, was he not?
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PostPosted: Thu May 16, 2013 12:20 pm    Post subject: Re: 49ers in talks with Eric Mangini Reply with quote

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As much as I love Donatell, I'm curious why he is getting more love as a defensive coordinator prospect than Tomsula. If i was a rival team, it'd be Tomsula I'd be looking at first and foremost. I thought i read somewhere that Tomsula could only leave for a head coaching gig? Same for Seely? Not sure how true that is.

Becoming a secondary coach would seem like an odd move for Mangini, though it would definitely show how much he wants to get back into football and coaching; seems like a step backward from where he is now. I think he does a ton of television/radio/media things for the outlets, doesn't he? Becoming a db coach also seems like a step back from even being a consultant for a team. I wonder how legitimate these rumors are of our interest in hiring him.


The only reason I see for Tomsula still being a position coach is his ability with the Xs and Os. He's great with technique, and amazing at relating to players, but those qualities are secondary to Xs and Os when it's time to select a coordinator. Some guys just aren't meant to be coordinators. I could see a team eventually being interested in him as a head coach, even without any coordinating experience, just because of his other qualities, which are top notch.

As for Mangini... other DCs have taken steps back before. Donatell himself was a DC at some point, was he not?


and he is undefeated as an NFL head coach, how many other head coaching candidates will be able to say that? Laughing
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