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Dawgpoun8017


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PostPosted: Sat May 11, 2013 9:43 am    Post subject: 5 takeaways from Rookie Minicamp Reply with quote

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Speed is the clear emphasis with the rookies the Browns drafted, signed as undrafted free agents, and brought in on a tryout basis. This is an extremely fast and athletic group of players, who seamlessly handled the fact that what began as an outdoor practice moved inside the Browns’ indoor facility because of thunderstorms. How many of them can make it in the NFL? That remains to be seen, but they run well and generally show superb body control. One of the fastest players was wide receiver Andrew Helmick, a tryout player from tiny Lindenwood University in St. Charles, Missouri.



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Armonty Bryant, the Browns’ other seventh-round choice, drew as much attention as any of the rookies in minicamp – and for all of the wrong reasons. Bryant was arrested before the draft for selling drugs to an undercover officer and then was arrested after the draft on a DUI charge. He seemed contrite and remorseful in answering numerous pointed questions from reporters. His primary theme: let his actions speak for themselves. Bryant seemed to understand that no one would believe him if he said he “learned his lesson,” because that was what he told Cleveland reporters soon after he was drafted. By all accounts, Bryant is an exceptionally talented athlete. The question is, can he stay out of trouble and allow that talent to help his new team?



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For someone who is 6-foot-6 and 320 pounds, Garrett Gilkey, the second of the Browns’ two seventh-round draft picks, looks remarkably lean and moves with great fluidity. The former standout at little Chadron (Neb.) State surprised the Browns by checking in with exceptionally low body fat. Gilkey could be a real hidden gem by providing solid depth at offensive tackle


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One of the more impressive parts of the first day of practice was that players mostly remained on their feet through drills. You’d be surprised at how difficult that can be with players working together and with a new coaching staff and new offensive and defensive systems for the first time – all while dealing with the inherent jitters that go with trying to make a favorable first impression



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It was fun to see Browns cornerback Joe Haden and outside linebacker Paul Kruger watch practice while focused on their respective younger brothers: Josh Haden, a running back from Boston College who was brought in for a try out, and Dave Kruger, a defensive lineman from Utah signed as an undrafted free agent. Joe and Paul were focused on every move their brothers made on the field, and offered them encouragement and words of advice after Friday’s workout. Paul told me that he had never been much for lifting weights, and only got into it because of the influence of Dave



http://blogs.clevelandbrowns.com/2013/05/10/5-takeaways-from-rookie-minicamp/
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PostPosted: Sat May 11, 2013 9:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

http://www.dawgsbynature.com/2013/5/9/4316460/report-cleveland-browns-sign-udfa-rb-robbie-rouse


Browns also trying out Fresno St. UDFA RB robbie rouse
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PostPosted: Sat May 11, 2013 5:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dawgpoun8017 wrote:
http://www.dawgsbynature.com/2013/5/9/4316460/report-cleveland-browns-sign-udfa-rb-robbie-rouse


Browns also trying out Fresno St. UDFA RB robbie rouse


Tried him. Liked him. Signed him. To a UDFA contract.

Roughly the same size as Darren Sproles, who Norv Turner developed in San Diego.
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PostPosted: Sat May 11, 2013 5:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Awesome to see Joe and Paul encouraging their brothers.
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PostPosted: Sat May 11, 2013 6:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ditchdigger wrote:
Dawgpoun8017 wrote:
http://www.dawgsbynature.com/2013/5/9/4316460/report-cleveland-browns-sign-udfa-rb-robbie-rouse


Browns also trying out Fresno St. UDFA RB robbie rouse


Tried him. Liked him. Signed him. To a UDFA contract.

Roughly the same size as Darren Sproles, who Norv Turner developed in San Diego.


He was one of my pre-draft, late round, favorites... I'm stoked they signed him.

Small, but deceptively strong and speed speed... Gets north and south in a hurry... Will stick his head into the OL To grind out short yarda... but also has Just enough wiggle to make defenders miss in the open field... Can pick up a blitz as well as catch the ball! Really hoping he can make it.
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PostPosted: Sat May 11, 2013 6:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dawgpoun8017 wrote:
http://www.dawgsbynature.com/2013/5/9/4316460/report-cleveland-browns-sign-udfa-rb-robbie-rouse


Browns also trying out Fresno St. UDFA RB robbie rouse


Been wanting to see a Sproles-like back since...well ever since we didn't draft Sproles.
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PostPosted: Sat May 11, 2013 8:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Frank Minnifield
DB
Height:5-9
Weight:180lbs


Hanford Lee Dixon
DB
Height:5-11
Weight:186 lbs

Imagine if we drafted guys at that size today.

Those hating on McFadden pick based solely on his height need to stop. His hip turn, quickness out of the break and on missteps, and his general agressiveness more than compensate for his height. I will be watching him because he has the strongest chance out of our rookies to start.
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PostPosted: Sat May 11, 2013 10:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

candyman93 wrote:
Frank Minnifield
DB
Height:5-9
Weight:180lbs


Hanford Lee Dixon
DB
Height:5-11
Weight:186 lbs

Imagine if we drafted guys at that size today.

Those hating on McFadden pick based solely on his height need to stop. His hip turn, quickness out of the break and on missteps, and his general agressiveness more than compensate for his height. I will be watching him because he has the strongest chance out of our rookies to start.


Like we'd ever draft a 5-11, 190lbs corner

That's just insane


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PostPosted: Sat May 11, 2013 11:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

candyman93 wrote:
Frank Minnifield
DB
Height:5-9
Weight:180lbs


Hanford Lee Dixon
DB
Height:5-11
Weight:186 lbs

Imagine if we drafted guys at that size today.

Those hating on McFadden pick based solely on his height need to stop. His hip turn, quickness out of the break and on missteps, and his general agressiveness more than compensate for his height. I will be watching him because he has the strongest chance out of our rookies to start.


PMO that the local media always describe him as "undersized".
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PostPosted: Sun May 12, 2013 6:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Question,

if Mingo turned out to be a bust but Bryant became a multiple Pro-Bowl player (basically the opposite outcome of our general expectations)...

would you consider the draft class to be successful?
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PostPosted: Sun May 12, 2013 6:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

poorbytehshore wrote:
Question,

if Mingo turned out to be a bust but Bryant became a multiple Pro-Bowl player (basically the opposite outcome of our general expectations)...

would you consider the draft class to be successful?


No. I view draft class separate than free agency. Even viewed together, if Bryant does what you say, we need Mingo to perform at an above average level at the least by year three. If Mingo busts, but McFadden becomes a solid #2 and a later round pick emerges as a solid contributor then our draft was good. Also, by trading two picks for futures, for this draft to be awesome, at least one of those picks has to be super solid. I think 2013 and 2014 should be viewed as a whole.
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PostPosted: Sun May 12, 2013 7:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

NewWorldOrder wrote:
poorbytehshore wrote:
Question,

if Mingo turned out to be a bust but Bryant became a multiple Pro-Bowl player (basically the opposite outcome of our general expectations)...

would you consider the draft class to be successful?


No. I view draft class separate than free agency. Even viewed together, if Bryant does what you say, we need Mingo to perform at an above average level at the least by year three. If Mingo busts, but McFadden becomes a solid #2 and a later round pick emerges as a solid contributor then our draft was good. Also, by trading two picks for futures, for this draft to be awesome, at least one of those picks has to be super solid. I think 2013 and 2014 should be viewed as a whole.


I think he was talking about armonty
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PostPosted: Sun May 12, 2013 8:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

poorbytehshore wrote:
Question,

if Mingo turned out to be a bust but Bryant became a multiple Pro-Bowl player (basically the opposite outcome of our general expectations)...

would you consider the draft class to be successful?


Yes, this draft is a success if we get a 10+ sack guy, a good #2 CB and depth guys.

However the media will deem it a failure because of someone we passed on.
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PostPosted: Sun May 12, 2013 8:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

NewWorldOrder wrote:
poorbytehshore wrote:
Question,

if Mingo turned out to be a bust but Bryant became a multiple Pro-Bowl player (basically the opposite outcome of our general expectations)...

would you consider the draft class to be successful?


No. I view draft class separate than free agency. Even viewed together, if Bryant does what you say, we need Mingo to perform at an above average level at the least by year three. If Mingo busts, but McFadden becomes a solid #2 and a later round pick emerges as a solid contributor then our draft was good. Also, by trading two picks for futures, for this draft to be awesome, at least one of those picks has to be super solid. I think 2013 and 2014 should be viewed as a whole.

The 1 thing I liked the most is we didn't give future picks away, we now have extra.
Mingo,s value may not be seen in his stats. The OLB as a group should have 25-35 sacks.
We were very young last year, experience alone will improve this team. Add to that the improvement to our coaching staff this years team will be much better.

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Feel free to disagree with me. If we get 40+ sacks out of our front 7. Stellar play from Haden and Ward, then we just need competent play out of Leon and whoever starts at FS. All of this is reasonable and it's why I think we will have a good defense. Not elite, but top 10-15 good.
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