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WHO DOES THE GENERAL SELECT
Jadeveon Clowney
71%
 71%  [ 10 ]
David Fales
14%
 14%  [ 2 ]
Other QB (specify pls)
14%
 14%  [ 2 ]
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PostPosted: Sun May 12, 2013 6:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Since we are doing hypotheticals, it isnt out of the realm of possibility that our defense will be horrendous. What if Blaine shows a lot of improvement with a better OL and more experienced targets. Lets say Blaine throws for 3600 25 TDs and 15 INTs but we go like 3-13. Do you draft Teddy or Clowney?
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PostPosted: Sun May 12, 2013 6:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

JaguarCrazy2832 wrote:
Since we are doing hypotheticals, it isnt out of the realm of possibility that our defense will be horrendous. What if Blaine shows a lot of improvement with a better OL and more experienced targets. Lets say Blaine throws for 3600 25 TDs and 15 INTs but we go like 3-13. Do you draft Teddy or Clowney?


If Blaine shows that kind of significant improvement, I'd be confident that he's the guy. I'd call that the ideal situation going into the draft as well as moving forward.

If the defense is terrible enough to not overcome quality quarterback play, I'd say just take the best available defender or Blackmon's replacement should there be such a receiver prospect.
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PostPosted: Sun May 12, 2013 6:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

JaguarCrazy2832 wrote:
Since we are doing hypotheticals, it isnt out of the realm of possibility that our defense will be horrendous. What if Blaine shows a lot of improvement with a better OL and more experienced targets. Lets say Blaine throws for 3600 25 TDs and 15 INTs but we go like 3-13. Do you draft Teddy or Clowney?
In that situation, you go with Clowney. Obviously assuming that he's the top rated guy.
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PostPosted: Mon May 13, 2013 2:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

iPwn wrote:
Ten greatest sack seasons ever
1. Michael Strahan 22.5
2. Jared Allen 22.0
2. Mark Gastineau 22.0
4. Chris Doleman 21.0
4. Reggie White 21.0
6. Lawrence Taylor 20.5
6. J.J. Watt 20.5
8. Derrick Thomas 20.0
8. DeMarcus Ware 20.0
10.DeMarcus Ware 19.5

4 of them made the playoffs. Four. That's it.

Quarterbacks win games, not pass rushers.



Now lets do that in a team notion. As in how did teams fair when they led the NFL in sacks?

Not saying one guy will make that kind of difference, but I am curious how the outcome differs.
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PostPosted: Mon May 13, 2013 12:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jags wrote:
iPwn wrote:
Ten greatest sack seasons ever
1. Michael Strahan 22.5
2. Jared Allen 22.0
2. Mark Gastineau 22.0
4. Chris Doleman 21.0
4. Reggie White 21.0
6. Lawrence Taylor 20.5
6. J.J. Watt 20.5
8. Derrick Thomas 20.0
8. DeMarcus Ware 20.0
10.DeMarcus Ware 19.5

4 of them made the playoffs. Four. That's it.

Quarterbacks win games, not pass rushers.



Now lets do that in a team notion. As in how did teams fair when they led the NFL in sacks?

Not saying one guy will make that kind of difference, but I am curious how the outcome differs.

Crunching the numbers now, and they're tasty. Stand by...
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PostPosted: Mon May 13, 2013 7:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The numbers aren't as interesting as I'd hoped. DeMarcus Ware is the best example. He's been in the league's top 10 for sacks every year since his rookie season in 2006, but the Cowboys have only made the playoffs three times in that stretch.
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PostPosted: Tue May 14, 2013 3:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

JAX Troll 90 wrote:
Jags wrote:
iPwn wrote:
Ten greatest sack seasons ever
1. Michael Strahan 22.5
2. Jared Allen 22.0
2. Mark Gastineau 22.0
4. Chris Doleman 21.0
4. Reggie White 21.0
6. Lawrence Taylor 20.5
6. J.J. Watt 20.5
8. Derrick Thomas 20.0
8. DeMarcus Ware 20.0
10.DeMarcus Ware 19.5

4 of them made the playoffs. Four. That's it.

Quarterbacks win games, not pass rushers.



Now lets do that in a team notion. As in how did teams fair when they led the NFL in sacks?

Not saying one guy will make that kind of difference, but I am curious how the outcome differs.

Crunching the numbers now, and they're tasty. Stand by...


Yeah I did a quick crunch of the past 10 years and results varied.

There are a few occurrences where a SB contender is top 5 in sacks.
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PostPosted: Tue May 14, 2013 4:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's not that rushing the passer doesn't help, it certainly does. It's just that the quarterback is that much more important. If a Quarterback figures to be someone special, they're worth more than any other position. If we think Fales can be the next Mark Brunell or the next Ben Roethlisberger, would you really take a pass rusher over that?
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MoJo122-b-21 wrote:
JaguarCrazy2832 wrote:
Since we are doing hypotheticals, it isnt out of the realm of possibility that our defense will be horrendous. What if Blaine shows a lot of improvement with a better OL and more experienced targets. Lets say Blaine throws for 3600 25 TDs and 15 INTs but we go like 3-13. Do you draft Teddy or Clowney?


If Blaine shows that kind of significant improvement, I'd be confident that he's the guy. I'd call that the ideal situation going into the draft as well as moving forward.

If the defense is terrible enough to not overcome quality quarterback play, I'd say just take the best available defender or Blackmon's replacement should there be such a receiver prospect.


We replacing him already?
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PostPosted: Tue May 14, 2013 6:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

JaguarCrazy2832 wrote:
MoJo122-b-21 wrote:
JaguarCrazy2832 wrote:
Since we are doing hypotheticals, it isnt out of the realm of possibility that our defense will be horrendous. What if Blaine shows a lot of improvement with a better OL and more experienced targets. Lets say Blaine throws for 3600 25 TDs and 15 INTs but we go like 3-13. Do you draft Teddy or Clowney?


If Blaine shows that kind of significant improvement, I'd be confident that he's the guy. I'd call that the ideal situation going into the draft as well as moving forward.

If the defense is terrible enough to not overcome quality quarterback play, I'd say just take the best available defender or Blackmon's replacement should there be such a receiver prospect.


We replacing him already?


He's working toward replacing himself.
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MoJo122-b-21 wrote:
JaguarCrazy2832 wrote:
MoJo122-b-21 wrote:
JaguarCrazy2832 wrote:
Since we are doing hypotheticals, it isnt out of the realm of possibility that our defense will be horrendous. What if Blaine shows a lot of improvement with a better OL and more experienced targets. Lets say Blaine throws for 3600 25 TDs and 15 INTs but we go like 3-13. Do you draft Teddy or Clowney?


If Blaine shows that kind of significant improvement, I'd be confident that he's the guy. I'd call that the ideal situation going into the draft as well as moving forward.

If the defense is terrible enough to not overcome quality quarterback play, I'd say just take the best available defender or Blackmon's replacement should there be such a receiver prospect.


We replacing him already?


He's working toward replacing himself.


True, but I think we are still a good ways away from that
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JaguarCrazy2832 wrote:
MoJo122-b-21 wrote:
JaguarCrazy2832 wrote:
MoJo122-b-21 wrote:
JaguarCrazy2832 wrote:
Since we are doing hypotheticals, it isnt out of the realm of possibility that our defense will be horrendous. What if Blaine shows a lot of improvement with a better OL and more experienced targets. Lets say Blaine throws for 3600 25 TDs and 15 INTs but we go like 3-13. Do you draft Teddy or Clowney?


If Blaine shows that kind of significant improvement, I'd be confident that he's the guy. I'd call that the ideal situation going into the draft as well as moving forward.

If the defense is terrible enough to not overcome quality quarterback play, I'd say just take the best available defender or Blackmon's replacement should there be such a receiver prospect.


We replacing him already?


He's working toward replacing himself.


True, but I think we are still a good ways away from that


In three consecutive offseasons, he's outdone the stupidity of the shenanigans from the year prior. He clearly doesn't know how to act in his free time, but I guess a year or so is a ways off.

I never thought he was any good to begin with, especially not worthy of the fifth pick in the draft. Athletically limited and stupid isn't a recipe for NFL success.
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In what ways is Blackmon physically limited? He doesn't have elite speed, but it's more than adequate game speed, and he clearly has the speed to get downfield. He also makes up for it with elite level body control and agility, something most guys don't have.
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Short and slow can't really be debated. He is a very average player in terms of talent. Players like Blackmon have to do the little things right - not sure he's smart enough.
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6'1 isn't short, and he isn't exactly slow either.
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