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WHO DOES THE GENERAL SELECT
Jadeveon Clowney
71%
 71%  [ 10 ]
David Fales
14%
 14%  [ 2 ]
Other QB (specify pls)
14%
 14%  [ 2 ]
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PostPosted: Sat May 11, 2013 9:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Clowney, no question
If there is a QB that Caldwell is willing too tie his job and reputation too then you take the QB.


Cant you say the same thing about an elite-caliber DE?


If you can say that about the QB, it doesn't really matter what you say about the DE.


Do you pass on a once in a generation DE for a QB that might not be as sure-fire? I feel like bc our coach is defensive minded he wouldnt be able to resist him


If you think a QB is a franchise changing guy then yes. Absolutely.


where does franchise changing rank with once in a generation?
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PostPosted: Sat May 11, 2013 9:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

JaguarCrazy2832 wrote:
Adrenaline_Flux wrote:
JaguarCrazy2832 wrote:
Adrenaline_Flux wrote:
JaguarCrazy2832 wrote:
sadjag wrote:
JaguarCrazy2832 wrote:
Clowney, no question
If there is a QB that Caldwell is willing too tie his job and reputation too then you take the QB.


Cant you say the same thing about an elite-caliber DE?


If you can say that about the QB, it doesn't really matter what you say about the DE.


Do you pass on a once in a generation DE for a QB that might not be as sure-fire? I feel like bc our coach is defensive minded he wouldnt be able to resist him


If you think a QB is a franchise changing guy then yes. Absolutely.


where does franchise changing rank with once in a generation?
When the Franchise changing one is a QB and the other isn't? The QB is ahead.
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PostPosted: Sat May 11, 2013 9:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ten greatest sack seasons ever
1. Michael Strahan 22.5
2. Jared Allen 22.0
2. Mark Gastineau 22.0
4. Chris Doleman 21.0
4. Reggie White 21.0
6. Lawrence Taylor 20.5
6. J.J. Watt 20.5
8. Derrick Thomas 20.0
8. DeMarcus Ware 20.0
10.DeMarcus Ware 19.5

4 of them made the playoffs. Four. That's it.

Quarterbacks win games, not pass rushers.
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iPwn wrote:
Ten greatest sack seasons ever
1. Michael Strahan 22.5
2. Jared Allen 22.0
2. Mark Gastineau 22.0
4. Chris Doleman 21.0
4. Reggie White 21.0
6. Lawrence Taylor 20.5
6. J.J. Watt 20.5
8. Derrick Thomas 20.0
8. DeMarcus Ware 20.0
10.DeMarcus Ware 19.5

4 of them made the playoffs. Four. That's it.

Quarterbacks win games, not pass rushers.


do you mean the year they did that, because Ware, Watt, White, Taylor, Allen and Strahan have all made the playoffs before.

I know QBs win games, but if Clowney is the better prospect do you pass him up?
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PostPosted: Sat May 11, 2013 9:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I realize QB is more important than DE, but we shouldn't reach majorly on someone just because he's a QB, especially when Clowney is on the board.
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I realize QB is more important than DE, but we shouldn't reach majorly on someone just because he's a QB, especially when Clowney is on the board.


What if the QB is a top 3-5 rated prospect in the draft? At what point is it considered reaching?
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PostPosted: Sat May 11, 2013 10:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

JaguarCrazy2832 wrote:
iPwn wrote:
Ten greatest sack seasons ever
1. Michael Strahan 22.5
2. Jared Allen 22.0
2. Mark Gastineau 22.0
4. Chris Doleman 21.0
4. Reggie White 21.0
6. Lawrence Taylor 20.5
6. J.J. Watt 20.5
8. Derrick Thomas 20.0
8. DeMarcus Ware 20.0
10.DeMarcus Ware 19.5

4 of them made the playoffs. Four. That's it.

Quarterbacks win games, not pass rushers.


do you mean the year they did that, because Ware, Watt, White, Taylor, Allen and Strahan have all made the playoffs before.

I know QBs win games, but if Clowney is the better prospect do you pass him up?
The year that they did it. If a top 10 performance at the position only equates to 40% playoff success rate, isn't it somewhat logical that the teams that made it were doing it on the backs of a strong team, rather than that of simply a pass rusher?

If the QB is a franchise chnaging QB, we're taking a top 10 QB type guy. And I'd take Matt Ryan over J.J. Watt.
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PostPosted: Sat May 11, 2013 11:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I personally think you guys will end up taking Fales, but with the 3rd or 4th pick. In this situation, you might be able to trade back a pick or two with a team that will give up a crazy package for Clowney. You'll then be able to still select Fales.
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Hipster jegs will take some hot new buck on the scene... Who may that be? We'll have to sit back and let the illuminati choose I suppose... My money is on Dri Archer. Matt Scott at QB, Denard Robinson at HB, Dri Archer at RB, Ace Sanders at FB.

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PostPosted: Sun May 12, 2013 1:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

2012 - JJ Watt - led league in sacks. Knocked out in playoffs
2011 - Jared Allen - led league in sacks. 3-13 record
2010 - Demarcus Ware - led league in sacks. 6-10
2009 - Elvis Dumervil - led league in sacks. 8-8
2008 - Demarcus Ware - led league in sacks. 9-7 (no playoffs)
2007 - Jared Allen - led league in sacks. 4-12

So the top pass rusher lead(kind of) his team to the playoffs once the past 6 years.

Top qb by qb rating
2012 - Aaron Rodgers - lost in 2nd round of post season.
2011 -Rodgers - lost to giants in post season
2010 - Brady - lost to jets in post season
2009 - Brees - lost to Seattle in post season
2008 - Rivers - lost to Pitt in divisional round
2007 - Brady - lost in Super Bowl

So the qb who had the best qb rating in the NFl was in the postseason

QB>>>>>>>>>>>DE
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PostPosted: Sun May 12, 2013 1:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Adrenaline_Flux wrote:
Jaguarfan wrote:
I realize QB is more important than DE, but we shouldn't reach majorly on someone just because he's a QB, especially when Clowney is on the board.


What if the QB is a top 3-5 rated prospect in the draft? At what point is it considered reaching?

When the QB really should be in the late 20s or even the second round.
Like Geno Smith.
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I realize QB is more important than DE, but we shouldn't reach majorly on someone just because he's a QB, especially when Clowney is on the board.


What if the QB is a top 3-5 rated prospect in the draft? At what point is it considered reaching?

When the QB really should be in the late 20s or even the second round.
Like Geno Smith.


It's not applicable to this situation then
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Clowney. Fales lack of anticipation and arm strength to compensate worries me.


What


He waits until he sees the WRs open generally. That was my initial thought.


He is the best at throwing the target open from 5-21 yards. Only thing he struggles with is his consistent deep ball [over 26 yards]
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Adrenaline_Flux wrote:
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I realize QB is more important than DE, but we shouldn't reach majorly on someone just because he's a QB, especially when Clowney is on the board.


What if the QB is a top 3-5 rated prospect in the draft? At what point is it considered reaching?

When the QB really should be in the late 20s or even the second round.
Like Geno Smith.


It's not applicable to this situation then

Eh. I don't think Fales is a top 3-5 prospect. Obviously, he has another season where he will probably improve, but as of right now he's a late 1st round prospect.
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