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PostPosted: Fri May 10, 2013 2:04 pm    Post subject: Handicapping the Texans LB "Race" Reply with quote

One spot is set:
WILB: Cushing

Another spot is pretty much set:
WOLB: Mercilus

So what of the strong side?

SOLB: Reed?
SOLB: Sam Montgomery?
SOLB: Travardo Williams?

SILB: Reed?
SILB: Dobbins?
SILB: Sharpton?

Any snaps in there for Braman either inside or out?
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PostPosted: Fri May 10, 2013 2:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think it completely depends on Sam Montgomery. If he shows enough in coverage he'll start SOLB and Reed will kick inside. If he can't Reed stays outside because Williams isn't a starting SOLB. He'll be the #3 OLB pass rush specialist.

That would leave Dobbins inside since Sharpton isn't looking like he'll be ready.

Braman I don't see getting defensive snaps unless there's an injury. Certainly not on the outside at least. I don't see him as an ILB, but given are complete lack of competent depth, I guess I wouldn't rule it out that he can get a few plays a game there.
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PostPosted: Fri May 10, 2013 2:14 pm    Post subject: Re: Handicapping the Texans LB "Race" Reply with quote

Apollo Stallion wrote:
One spot is set:
WILB: Cushing

Another spot is pretty much set:
WOLB: Mercilus

So what of the strong side?

SOLB: Reed?
SOLB: Sam Montgomery?
SOLB: Travardo Williams?

SILB: Reed?
SILB: Dobbins?
SILB: Sharpton?

Any snaps in there for Braman either inside or out?


Reed at Sam, Sharpton at ILB. Sharpton will get hurt, Reed will move inside, and Montgomery will take over that spot in a rotation with Travardo. Dobbins will spell both ILB's when necessary. Braman will still see mostly special teams snaps, and may get pushed off the roster.
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PostPosted: Fri May 10, 2013 2:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm still not a fan of Reed moving into the inside. If I'm Phillips, assuming we don't sign a veteren ILB, I would start Reed at the SAM, Mercilus at WOLB, and obviously Cushing is starting at one ILB. I would start Dobbins over Sharpton because Dobbins does a pretty solid job stopping the run. I'll let Montgomery and Williams slowly develop as pass rushing specialists. Braman should only be used for special teams, but he adds depth to our OLB core just in case someone gets hurt.

God I wish Dansby didnt sign with the Cards. He would have been a nice 1 year guy for us at ILB. Crying or Very sad
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PostPosted: Fri May 10, 2013 2:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'll answer my own post with the following without getting too deeply into downs where we switch to 4-3:

SOLB - SILB - WILB - WOLB

Run Downs:
A: Reed - Dobbins - Cushing - Mercilus
Dobbins was a bit of a revelation last year as a run stopper and I think it will take a while for Montgomery/Williams to phase in and push Reed inside.

B: Montgomery - Reed - Cushing - Williams
Thought here is that the best downs to rotate Mercilus out on are the run downs. Generally we'll switch to 4-3 on run downs, but if we stick in 3-4 this may make some sense.

Pass Downs:
A: Reed - Sharpton - Cushing - Mercilus
This is how they'd like to see it as Sharpton was taking over as nickle LB even when DeMeco was here. This is obviously contingent on him being able to run as he has to be able to hang with TEs.

B: Williams - Reed - Cushing - Mercilus
This is a little scary as it puts Williams in coverage. However, Mercilus and Montgomery have no business in coverage either and reality is that they won't see the field against teams that use their RBs much in the flat which is our OLBs only responsibility.

Basically, in an ideal world, with health and proper development from Mercilus, Williams, Montgomery I suspect we'll see Cushing & Reed on the field 90% of the time with a healthy rotation amongst Mercilus 66%, Williams 33%, Sharpton 33%, Montgomery 25% and Dobbins relegated back to depth and ST along with Braman.

In a more likely world, Sharpton is PUP or IR again, Montgomery is either a healthy inactive or IR resort candidate and Dobbins gets more snaps than we imagine (or Bradie James is resigned). I think the idea with Williams/Montgomery was to make up for a bit of Mercilus limitations in the run game and at the very least get back to a 3 man rotation outside as was envisioned with Mario, Barwin, Reed. It should also be noted, that I see Reed rushing the passer much more from inside than we've ever seen from Cushing/James/Dobbins etc. especially if he's the nickel lb and we have 3 decent S's in Manning, Reed, Swearinger.
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I don't think it's too much of a secret, that the Texans got scooped (again) by the Ravens on Arthur Brown who was pretty much their dream LB as he basically complimented everything we wanted to do with a Mercilus/Reed rotation. Certainly him dropping to us at 57 had to be viewed as a longshot but I think they will come to regret not burning the 6th round pick to grab Brown when he was there at #55 (Packers took McDonald who was also openly coveted by Kubiak). The Seahawks played it masterfully and got a 6th AND a 5th for the #56 pick by letting the Ravens sneak in there.

B. Williams fit RT need at #89 and Montgomery presented value at #95 and theoretically would be the run down answer for pure pass rusher Mercilus. My theory is that the Texans "plan b" upon missing out on A. Brown was Sio Moore, Sean Porter, or Khaseem Green as rotational LBs. The wheels came off on that plan when Moore went earlier than expected and Porter/Green went back to back at #117 / #118 in the 4th. Texans just went with best OLB available with Williams who strikes me as a redundant Mercilus clone rather than a versatile OLB who could be a candidate to be nickel LB like Porter or Green could have been. Redundancy has worked for us at OLB in the past, so I can understand going back to that well, but it still leaves us without a LB with coverage skills and with a bunch of pass rushing OLBs with the same age and similar contract status which isn't a problem now, but may be once Cushing cashes in.

For me, the pick there will always be a top 10 WR prospect in Quinton Patton who would have instantly pushed Keystone Martin to special teamer especially since we did the opposite and threw away a pick on UDFA practice squad fodder like Alan Bonner instead of a top 10 WR like Patton. It's pretty easy to cherry pick it now, but Patton & Chase Thomas (Connor Barwin lite) present considerable more value than T. Williams / Bonner, but that's primarily because some idiot in this organization still lets Kubiak reach badly on WRs & TEs & QBs when there are still roster-worthy defensive players on the board (CB - Jordan Poyer, DE - Joe Kruger, DT Everett Dawkins to name a few that would make our roster). I guess I can forgive it somewhat since we get quality UDFA RBs like Dennis Johnson & Cierre Wood for free because of him, but I think you'll have a tough time finding anyone seeing any contributions from any of our 6th rounders and I would have taken the upside of Ryan Swope over all 4 of them instead of tossing away our 5th rounder for a bunch of roster longshots (okay Quessenberry was decent value, but the other 3 were a waste).

Gotta love hijacking my own thread...
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PostPosted: Fri May 10, 2013 5:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

A couple of things: I don't think the starting SILB is on the team yet, and I think the whole discussion about moving Reed inside is pointless. I expect we will find another Bradie James (who could be played by himself) to play the role of ILB2. Reed will play outside unless he gets hurt. As it is, given our scheme, SOLB is way more important than SILB so why would we take our proven vet and push him to a position that is less important so we can replace him with an unknown.

As to the pass down versus run downs, I actually find your post silly Apollo. I mean, you were the one that started the whole thread about the lack of usage of ILB#2 on passing downs so I expected some continuity on that here. No need to was poetic about how good Arthur Brown could have been here. Once Swearinger was drafted, indicating that we would once again be using primarily dime, the potential impact from drafting an ILB was severely diminished.

We will only have 4 LBs in base sets while only Cushing will be playing a traditional LB role on passing downs. On base, we only need a thumper for ILB#2 which Dobbins could do. However, it would be in our best interest to keep Dobbins focused on ST. I could potentially see Williams getting a shot in dime as a pass rush specialist but only if Reed or Mercilus are struggling at getting to the passer. I don't see Montgomery getting snaps unless somebody gets injured. I would not be surprised if Montgomery ends up at DE either.

I do agree that the Bonner pick was a waste but then so does most of the world. I am expecting contributions only from Quessenberry and Chris Jones out of that 6th round. Quessenberry profiles as the perfect backup OL since he could potentially fill-in at every spot on the line. He is probably best suited for LG but versitile backups are essential for gameday. Jones dropped because he's a tweener NT/UT which makes him a fit with what they've been trying to do with Earl Mitchell. Jones will probably never be a starter but if he can stay in the rotation that's a good pick. I will point out that it's ironic that you push for Poyer, Apollo, since he lacks exactly what you have argued our secondary needs: speed.
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dsorc wrote:
A couple of things: I don't think the starting SILB is on the team yet, and I think the whole discussion about moving Reed inside is pointless. I expect we will find another Bradie James (who could be played by himself) to play the role of ILB2. Reed will play outside unless he gets hurt. As it is, given our scheme, SOLB is way more important than SILB so why would we take our proven vet and push him to a position that is less important so we can replace him with an unknown.

As to the pass down versus run downs, I actually find your post silly Apollo. I mean, you were the one that started the whole thread about the lack of usage of ILB#2 on passing downs so I expected some continuity on that here. No need to was poetic about how good Arthur Brown could have been here. Once Swearinger was drafted, indicating that we would once again be using primarily dime, the potential impact from drafting an ILB was severely diminished.

We will only have 4 LBs in base sets while only Cushing will be playing a traditional LB role on passing downs. On base, we only need a thumper for ILB#2 which Dobbins could do. However, it would be in our best interest to keep Dobbins focused on ST. I could potentially see Williams getting a shot in dime as a pass rush specialist but only if Reed or Mercilus are struggling at getting to the passer. I don't see Montgomery getting snaps unless somebody gets injured. I would not be surprised if Montgomery ends up at DE either.

I do agree that the Bonner pick was a waste but then so does most of the world. I am expecting contributions only from Quessenberry and Chris Jones out of that 6th round. Quessenberry profiles as the perfect backup OL since he could potentially fill-in at every spot on the line. He is probably best suited for LG but versitile backups are essential for gameday. Jones dropped because he's a tweener NT/UT which makes him a fit with what they've been trying to do with Earl Mitchell. Jones will probably never be a starter but if he can stay in the rotation that's a good pick. I will point out that it's ironic that you push for Poyer, Apollo, since he lacks exactly what you have argued our secondary needs: speed.


Silly huh? Good thing you caught me on a good day or Grasspike might be having to clean up after a Joe Pesci Goodfellas "what do you mean I'm silly - do I amuse you" rant.

I disagree with your assessment of Reed's role as Phillips "scheme" has always been a fluid one based upon maximizing the talent on the roster and doesn't concern itself with rigid "positions." The most valuable components in his system are the moveable parts which is reflected in Antonio Smith being the keystone in year one, lining up in 4 different spots on the line, 5 if you include the Nose. Year 2 saw Watt with the freedom to determine his path to the QB with Barwin becoming a subservient component at WLB often saddled with run support and coverage responsibilities. Year 3 to me will likely see Reed as an inside/outside rusher based upon situation but also picking up the slack on Barwins "stay at home" responsibilities that will be lost with the WLB rushing the passer on every play again. He essentially replicates the Barwin role, but we don't waste the inherent advantage our WLB should exploit in the pass rush.

None of this is incongruent with coveting A. Brown who would mirror Reed's flexibility vs. replicating Mercilus/James/Dobbins single skillset. It really doesn't matter what the formation is, 5 guys are rushing on every play usually including 3 linemen and 2 lbs. In year 1, Mario was clearly going to rush every down and as a starting WLB Mercilus pretty much has to assume this role as like Mario, he's only got one route to the passer and its the outside rush which takes him out of run defense and coverage. If you have a pure pass rusher at SLB like Travardo you are telegraphing the play just as you do if Montgomery swaps in as the run stopper. With Reed inside you create deception as he can pass rush inside or stay at home for run support. I actually agree that having Reed inside creates some problems in coverage and run support outside (particularly with Travardo) which is precisely why A. Brown would have been so perfect as a much better partner with Reed as he could easily stay out there with Cushing when Reed/Mercilus put their hands down and Watt, Antonio kick inside.

The other part I think you are missing is that bringing Ed Reed in creates a completely different situation when it comes to covering tight ends. With Manning and Quin playing side by side, they both had flexibility in TE coverage & run support. As it stands now, Manning will have to pretty much mirror the TE with Ed Reed deep behind supporting the CBs. That's fine and improves downfield pass coverage, but the trade off is that Manning isn't defeating many TEs blocks and Cushing is going to have even more on his plate. You say a thumper is all that is needed in base, but you forget that we've basically given up Barwin & Quin outside so that "thumper" needs to be able to run and that ain't Dobbins, James or any ILB on last year's roster. Again, I think that's the other logic in having Reed inside some. I'd also add that a mediocre back like Ridley exposed our vulnerability to the swing pass when we sell out both OLBs to the pass rush and Rice, MJD, CJ2K and others could easily exploit further with no safety around to pitch in.

I think it's a huge leap to go from "we missed out on Brown and got Swearinger" to "so we're going to forget about ILB and get 2 OLBs and play lots of dime again." Hell, last year we traded away our 2nd rounder that become Lavonte David (one of the best need/value picks of 2012) and did nothing to address S, so it's not like these are intrinsically linked. Moore, Porter, & Green would have all presented exceptional value/need at ILB in the 4th as would Phillip Thomas as a potential heir to Ed Reed at FS which I assure you Swearinger is NOT. What WAS NOT a need was an "ILB thumper" as we repeatedly left these on the board.
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I agree with your assessments of Quessenberry and Jones. You're probably right on Poyer who may just be another Carmichael but I still value a decent college as a #5 CB, #6 CB over a slow kick returner when Marciano can't even do anything with the good ones. I can even live with Griffin as Kubs has found diamonds in the rough before at TE like in bringing in Dreessen and at least he has a shot at a roster spot. The distance in value between Bonner and Swope is the one that I can't get past or any possible logic in turning the 5th rounder into 2 6ths if your just going to burn 6ths on UDFAs like Griffin and Bonner. Really belongs elsewhere, but when you get me going...
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Silly huh? Good thing you caught me on a good day or Grasspike might be having to clean up after a Joe Pesci Goodfellas "what do you mean I'm silly - do I amuse you" rant.

I in fact do find your ability to fluff up your posts quite amusing. But I digress.

Apollo Stallion wrote:

I disagree with your assessment of Reed's role as Phillips "scheme" has always been a fluid one based upon maximizing the talent on the roster and doesn't concern itself with rigid "positions." The most valuable components in his system are the moveable parts which is reflected in Antonio Smith being the keystone in year one, lining up in 4 different spots on the line, 5 if you include the Nose. Year 2 saw Watt with the freedom to determine his path to the QB with Barwin becoming a subservient component at WLB often saddled with run support and coverage responsibilities. Year 3 to me will likely see Reed as an inside/outside rusher based upon situation but also picking up the slack on Barwins "stay at home" responsibilities that will be lost with the WLB rushing the passer on every play again. He essentially replicates the Barwin role, but we don't waste the inherent advantage our WLB should exploit in the pass rush.

The details are fluid but for 2 years we have been using the same general set up: base 3-4 (5-2) to stop the run and dime to stop the pass. Unless we all of a sudden start playing more nickel, ILB#2 is only a part time position. This is an argument that you have made in the past as well. Ergo, keeping Reed at OLB makes sense within the big picture look of Wade's recent scheme.

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None of this is incongruent with coveting A. Brown who would mirror Reed's flexibility vs. replicating Mercilus/James/Dobbins single skillset. It really doesn't matter what the formation is, 5 guys are rushing on every play usually including 3 linemen and 2 lbs. In year 1, Mario was clearly going to rush every down and as a starting WLB Mercilus pretty much has to assume this role as like Mario, he's only got one route to the passer and its the outside rush which takes him out of run defense and coverage. If you have a pure pass rusher at SLB like Travardo you are telegraphing the play just as you do if Montgomery swaps in as the run stopper. With Reed inside you create deception as he can pass rush inside or stay at home for run support. I actually agree that having Reed inside creates some problems in coverage and run support outside (particularly with Travardo) which is precisely why A. Brown would have been so perfect as a much better partner with Reed as he could easily stay out there with Cushing when Reed/Mercilus put their hands down and Watt, Antonio kick inside.

Of course it's incongruent. And your explanation even shows the conflict. Swearinger and Arthur Brown would have been competing for exactly the same snaps. You can either play nickel or dime and unless you think Swearinger can cover the slot, there is no logical way of getting both out there in a nickel set. I agree with you about Trevardo not being a good fit at OLB right now. This is why I argued that he might be used in passing situations where he would be a 4-3 DE. This is akin to how Mercilus was used last year.

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The other part I think you are missing is that bringing Ed Reed in creates a completely different situation when it comes to covering tight ends. With Manning and Quin playing side by side, they both had flexibility in TE coverage & run support. As it stands now, Manning will have to pretty much mirror the TE with Ed Reed deep behind supporting the CBs. That's fine and improves downfield pass coverage, but the trade off is that Manning isn't defeating many TEs blocks and Cushing is going to have even more on his plate.

Manning covered TEs in base last year so I'm not worried about that part. As to Manning needing help against the run, well that's why I said we need a thumper at ILB#2. That SILB position needs to be a run-stopper and should be the ones taking and beating the TE blocks. Dobbins showed he could stop the run even though he was no good in coverage. In general though, I don't buy the idea that Reed will be playing deep middle cover 1. My feeling when watching last year is that we were primarily a cover 2 team. This would also compensate for the fact that Reed is no longer in his prime.

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You say a thumper is all that is needed in base, but you forget that we've basically given up Barwin & Quin outside so that "thumper" needs to be able to run and that ain't Dobbins, James or any ILB on last year's roster. Again, I think that's the other logic in having Reed inside some. I'd also add that a mediocre back like Ridley exposed our vulnerability to the swing pass when we sell out both OLBs to the pass rush and Rice, MJD, CJ2K and others could easily exploit further with no safety around to pitch in.

I wouldn't put much unto what any 1 player from the Patriots did to us. Every facet of our defense broke down against them. We'll have to see if any other teams try to beat us with swing passes.

Apollo Stallion wrote:
I think it's a huge leap to go from "we missed out on Brown and got Swearinger" to "so we're going to forget about ILB and get 2 OLBs and play lots of dime again." Hell, last year we traded away our 2nd rounder that become Lavonte David (one of the best need/value picks of 2012) and did nothing to address S, so it's not like these are intrinsically linked. Moore, Porter, & Green would have all presented exceptional value/need at ILB in the 4th as would Phillip Thomas as a potential heir to Ed Reed at FS which I assure you Swearinger is NOT. What WAS NOT a need was an "ILB thumper" as we repeatedly left these on the board.

I would agree with you on Phillip Thomas because like you I don't see Swearinger as the heir to Ed Reed. Swearinger is the replacement for Quin and will be asked to play in the box on dime sets. Again, unless Swearinger can cover slot WR's, there is no logical pass-coverage set that uses a 3rd S (Swearinger) and a #2ILB. As to your comment about leaving "ILB thumper" on the board, we also left "ILB coverage" on the board. Your point there is moot.

Now a much more interesting discussion (and potential material for one of your rants) is why did we not bring in another CB. Harris sucked in replacement of McCain last year. McCain is also vulnerable himself as a mediocre slot-only-CB. A CB with speed and good agility would have much more sense than Arthur Brown or any of the LBs we drafted.
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Of course it's incongruent. And your explanation even shows the conflict. Swearinger and Arthur Brown would have been competing for exactly the same snaps. You can either play nickel or dime and unless you think Swearinger can cover the slot, there is no logical way of getting both out there in a nickel set. I agree with you about Trevardo not being a good fit at OLB right now. This is why I argued that he might be used in passing situations where he would be a 4-3 DE. This is akin to how Mercilus was used last year.


I think you're missing my point here. If we got Brown we wouldn't want Swearinger, just like if we got Cyprien we wouldn't want A. Brown. (I still like Cyprien / Terence Williams better than Hopkins / Swearinger over the long-term.) I actually was ok with the Swearinger pick once Brown was off the board, as he's a massive upgrade over Keo as an in the box #3 safety and absent a talent like Brown that would be worth changing up our model for upgrading #3 safety was critical. My problem is that in 1 or 2 years when Ed Reed is gone, we are left with Swearinger in the Roy Williams role which became an abject failure as teams just picked the Cowboys apart down the middle of the field in between Williams and Hamlin when the game was on the line. That's when the Cowboys started going after nickle LBs like Keith Brooking to put next to run stopping Bradie James. Again, this can all work out as long as we still plan on going high again with another safety to replace Ed Reed next year.

I just think it would have been preferable to grab a Khaseem Green / Sean Porter type OLB/ILB hybrid instead of going double down on OLBs. All it would have taken would have been one of those 6ths to go up and grab one of them or Reed replacement Thomas instead of a Mercilus clone in Williams which is why we're even talking about moving reed inside. We'll just agree to disagree on the thumper concept as you keep forgetting that Cushing is the best thumper in the business and that Wade drew this thing up to have coverage oriented Sharpton alongside him on early downs.

What I suspect Wade is thinking is that he can move B. Reed inside enough times to develop an inside push as people forget that the Wade's best years in Dallas were when he generated interior pass rush from James / Ratliff while Ware / Ellis generated heat from DE / WLB. At this point, a guy I think may make some sense would be Nick Barnett who would be a vast improvement over James / Dobbins / Ruud and Wade seems to love working in whily vets inside like he did with Zack Thomas, Keith Brooking, Ayodele and others (or maybe Jerry just liked the name value). If we think Sharpton isn't a cripple, I can see the potential, but how many times are we going to get burned there?
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I think you're missing my point here. If we got Brown we wouldn't want Swearinger, just like if we got Cyprien we wouldn't want A. Brown. (I still like Cyprien / Terence Williams better than Hopkins / Swearinger over the long-term.) I actually was ok with the Swearinger pick once Brown was off the board, as he's a massive upgrade over Keo as an in the box #3 safety and absent a talent like Brown that would be worth changing up our model for upgrading #3 safety was critical. My problem is that in 1 or 2 years when Ed Reed is gone, we are left with Swearinger in the Roy Williams role which became an abject failure as teams just picked the Cowboys apart down the middle of the field in between Williams and Hamlin when the game was on the line. That's when the Cowboys started going after nickle LBs like Keith Brooking to put next to run stopping Bradie James. Again, this can all work out as long as we still plan on going high again with another safety to replace Ed Reed next year.

Now I get what you were trying to say and I agree with this premise. We definitely need another S that can be a FS because Swearinger is a SS-only.

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I just think it would have been preferable to grab a Khaseem Green / Sean Porter type OLB/ILB hybrid instead of going double down on OLBs. All it would have taken would have been one of those 6ths to go up and grab one of them or Reed replacement Thomas instead of a Mercilus clone in Williams which is why we're even talking about moving reed inside. We'll just agree to disagree on the thumper concept as you keep forgetting that Cushing is the best thumper in the business and that Wade drew this thing up to have coverage oriented Sharpton alongside him on early downs.

I see Cushing being the ILB being asked to cover beyond also stopping the run. I don't see Sharpton being more than a thumper much like James and Dobbins. Maybe we bring back Ruud?

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What I suspect Wade is thinking is that he can move B. Reed inside enough times to develop an inside push as people forget that the Wade's best years in Dallas were when he generated interior pass rush from James / Ratliff while Ware / Ellis generated heat from DE / WLB. At this point, a guy I think may make some sense would be Nick Barnett who would be a vast improvement over James / Dobbins / Ruud and Wade seems to love working in whily vets inside like he did with Zack Thomas, Keith Brooking, Ayodele and others (or maybe Jerry just liked the name value). If we think Sharpton isn't a cripple, I can see the potential, but how many times are we going to get burned there?

I agree with you that counting on Sharpton is probably fool's gold at this point. I don't necessarily agree with you that Reed on the inside will give us more inside push. As it is, our best pass rushers last year were Antonio and Watt and they were primarily coming from the interior. If anything, we lacked outside pass-rush ability as neither Reed nor Barwin did well there. This doesn't mean that we can't/shouldn't/won't upgrade ILB2, but I think the front office doesn't see it as a high priority.
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We really messed up in not addressing the ILB spot this off season and unless we stay perfectly healthy, it will come back to bite us in the butt.

I dont think the Swearinger pick was ever intended to take over for Ed Reed, in fact i think he will be our #3 guy which plays a ton of snaps, and hopefully we get 2 more seasons out of Reed and Manning and then we will get rid of both of them and be with Swearinger and some other guys, maybe even Brandon Harris

Manning will be 31 when the season starts and is set to make some serious money the next few years, and the point where Swearinger becomes the better option at SS, Manning will be released. We are only 2 seasons away from JJ Watt signing the largest contract in history or something like that. Its going to take some doing. If Cushing comes back strong, we might have to release Manning next off season and use his 6 million cap hit to throw towards Cushing

Looking ahead to locking up Watt long term is probably what caused us to draft 2 DE/OLB this season. There most likely wont be any way that Brooks Reed is a Texan after his rookie deal runs out.

2015 is shaping up to be another house cleaning year for us. We will have loads of money tied up in Arian Foster, Matt Schuab, Andre Johnson, JJoe, Myers and Brown....not counting what Cushing will be making by then.

I suspect we see a lot more picks in the 2-4 rounds in future drafts that are used to replace good players that we simply cant pay.

This is actually a good problem as it means we are a stable playoff team...if not, we start releasing and restructuring like crazy
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PostPosted: Sun May 12, 2013 9:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think once OTAs hit and we see that the rookies will need time to adjust and moving Reed over isn't an option we will sign someone to play ILB. Honestly I think BRAMAN should be our ILB. The guy is relentless like Cushing and would do great there IMO. Especially if he only plays 50% of the time anyway. When we do rush packages he can come out and allow others to come in. I think he is our best option.
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