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PostPosted: Sat May 11, 2013 8:57 am    Post subject: Re: 2013 Vikings Win/Loss Regular Season Predictions by Sche Reply with quote

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vikesnewcoach11 wrote:
Also I see you noted "Ponder at QB" and we all know you dont like him...Im not sure how anyone can think he will struggle when you have a WR corps of Jennings, Patterson, Wright, Simpson, a TE in Rudolph, and AP in the backfield. He was a big reason we made that end of the year playoff push and at that time he was rolling with Simpson, Jenkins, Wright, and Aromashadu. Big difference there


So basically we didn't have Jennings and rookies. Not sure how that's suppose to make me feel better with the turnover this this team has seen.

The loss of Winfield was massive IMO. It will be interesting to see if cook can stand up and be that guy. Not only as a #1 CB, but a leader.

A lot of people here are high on Locke. They compare it to striking gold with Walsh last year. That may not be case.


The point is the rookies will be better than the vet WRs dumped this off season.

Cook isn't the leader on D. The D leaders would be Allen, Greenway, KWill, and perhaps Smith.
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PostPosted: Sat May 11, 2013 2:45 pm    Post subject: Re: 2013 Vikings Win/Loss Regular Season Predictions by Sche Reply with quote

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vikesnewcoach11 wrote:
Also I see you noted "Ponder at QB" and we all know you dont like him...Im not sure how anyone can think he will struggle when you have a WR corps of Jennings, Patterson, Wright, Simpson, a TE in Rudolph, and AP in the backfield. He was a big reason we made that end of the year playoff push and at that time he was rolling with Simpson, Jenkins, Wright, and Aromashadu. Big difference there


So basically we didn't have Jennings and rookies. Not sure how that's suppose to make me feel better with the turnover this this team has seen.

The loss of Winfield was massive IMO. It will be interesting to see if cook can stand up and be that guy. Not only as a #1 CB, but a leader.

A lot of people here are high on Locke. They compare it to striking gold with Walsh last year. That may not be case.


1.) Jennings and Patterson are 10 times better than what we had at the end of the season last year. Rhodes and Floyd will both end up being legit starters by the middle of the season. Im not sure what makes you think last years team was so much better

2.) Winfield is a loss but we can easily slide Robinson into the slot and Rhodes as the other outside guy. Jefferson and Lacey as #4 and #5. Its not as big of a loss as you're making it out to be. Its not like our DB's are horrible now or something

3.) And Im not sure where Locke is coming into play?? Its not like he is going to win us games, he's a punter. Also, its not like Kluwe was a stud by any means
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PostPosted: Sat May 11, 2013 4:41 pm    Post subject: Re: 2013 Vikings Win/Loss Regular Season Predictions by Sche Reply with quote

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2.) Winfield is a loss but we can easily slide Robinson into the slot and Rhodes as the other outside guy. Jefferson and Lacey as #4 and #5. Its not as big of a loss as you're making it out to be. Its not like our DB's are horrible now or something


Also, Winfield will be 36 by the time the season starts and was already clearly declining. At best, we would have had one more year of solid Nickel Corner play from him and then he would retire. Getting a quality replacement now isn't a bad thing by any means.
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PostPosted: Sat May 11, 2013 6:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

2013 schedule (all times ET)

Sept. 8 at Detroit Lions, 1:00 p.m. - WIN

Sept. 15 at Chicago Bears, 1:00 p.m. - LOSS

Sept. 22 vs. Cleveland Browns, 1:00 p.m. - WIN

Sept. 29 vs. Pittsburgh Steelers (London), 1:00 p.m. - WIN

Bye Week

Oct. 13 vs. Carolina Panthers, 1:00 p.m. - WIN

Oct. 21 at New York Giants (Mon), 8:40 p.m. - LOSS

Oct. 27 vs. Green Bay Packers 8:30 p.m. - WIN

Nov. 3 at Dallas Cowboys, 1:00 p.m. - WIN

Nov. 7 vs. Washington Redskins (Thurs), 8:25 p.m. - WIN

Nov. 17, at Seattle Seahawks, 4:25 p.m. - LOSS

Nov. 24 at Green Bay Packers. 1:00 p.m. - LOSS

Dec. 1 vs. Chicago Bears. 1:00 p.m. - WIN

Dec. 8 at Baltimore Ravens, 1:00 p.m. - LOSS

Dec. 15 vs. Philadelphia Eagles, 1:00 p.m. - WIN

Dec. 22 at Cincinnati Bengals, 1:00 p.m. - WIN

Dec. 29 Detroit Lions, 1:00 p.m. - WIN

OVERALL: 11-5

I see The Vikings being more solid next season, with a better scoring attack, due to Ponder having several better options, and the defence being significantly better (assuming that a veteran LB is picked up soon).
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PostPosted: Sat May 11, 2013 7:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Robb_K wrote:
and the defence being significantly better (assuming that a veteran LB is picked up soon).


It will be better even without a vet LB. Greenway, Henderson, and Hodges >>>>>>>>> Greenway, Henderson, and Brinkley.
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PostPosted: Sat May 11, 2013 9:55 pm    Post subject: Re: 2013 Vikings Win/Loss Regular Season Predictions by Sche Reply with quote

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vikesnewcoach11 wrote:

2.) Winfield is a loss but we can easily slide Robinson into the slot and Rhodes as the other outside guy. Jefferson and Lacey as #4 and #5. Its not as big of a loss as you're making it out to be. Its not like our DB's are horrible now or something


Also, Winfield will be 36 by the time the season starts and was already clearly declining. At best, we would have had one more year of solid Nickel Corner play from him and then he would retire. Getting a quality replacement now isn't a bad thing by any means.


He was our best CB last season.

http://wp.advancednflstats.com/defenderstats.php?pos=CB
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PostPosted: Sat May 11, 2013 10:04 pm    Post subject: Re: 2013 Vikings Win/Loss Regular Season Predictions by Sche Reply with quote

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1.) Jennings and Patterson are 10 times better than what we had at the end of the season last year. Rhodes and Floyd will both end up being legit starters by the middle of the season. Im not sure what makes you think last years team was so much better

2.) Winfield is a loss but we can easily slide Robinson into the slot and Rhodes as the other outside guy. Jefferson and Lacey as #4 and #5. Its not as big of a loss as you're making it out to be. Its not like our DB's are horrible now or something

3.) And Im not sure where Locke is coming into play?? Its not like he is going to win us games, he's a punter. Also, its not like Kluwe was a stud by any means


Jennings is legit. Patterson is a complete project so to say hes going to be 10x better than who we currently have is pretty wishful thinking.

Rhoads is going to be a stud IMO. He will be our best CB by years end. Still very hard to replace 26.

Robinson in the slot is going to get burned up more than Madieu Williams. Not sold on Cook yet. Tends to get beat by faster guys. Really looking for Jefferson to step up and play the slot. I'd feel better with that. Safety's are going to have their work cut out for them.

Field position wins us games. Punters are weapons too!
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PostPosted: Sat May 11, 2013 10:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Also I'm still waiting for an explanation as to why everyone is confident that we are going to beat Blitzburgh?
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Josh Robinson should do fine as a slot corner. It's not as difficult a job as what we asked him to do last year. The main problem will be replacing Winfield's tackling ability -- he was probably our best run defender.

Winfield was very good last year but I don't think he was anywhere near the top of the league as a CB, despite what the stats say.

Winfield played in the slot most of the time, hardly ever tried to cover anyone downfield. Even when Cook was hurt, he didn't usually match up against Megatron, Vincent Jackson, or whoever. Plus the other CBs (Jefferson and BRob) were terrible, so they were usually targeted.

Obviously Winfield did very good work in the slot, especially as a run defender. I remember him making at least one good play downfield against Brandon Marshall that drew a questionable PI flag. It's not like he was never challenged, but he didn't take on the role of a #1 CB even when Cook was out. So his stats have to be taken in perspective.

There's a well known problem in fielding stats in baseball that's applicable here. If you measure fielding percentage (1 - errors / chances), shortstops with sure hands but poor range (the classic example is Derek Jeter) look better than those with better range who occasionally can't turn a play on a difficult chance, even though the guys with better range produce more outs. Jeter has fewer errors but more legitimate base hits against (he can't even reach the ball that the other guy commits an error on), while the guy with better range gives up fewer hits but makes a couple of errors, and consequently has a lower fielding percentage while Jeter wins another undeserved award.

That's Winfield in this era: a limited player, but great in that limited role (thus producing efficiency stats that overestimate his value). He'll be a strong addition to the Seahawks (and would've been perfect this year for the Vikings with Rhodes added, sigh). But he shouldn't be too hard to replace, much easier than Cook would be.
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twslhs20 wrote:
Also I'm still waiting for an explanation as to why everyone is confident that we are going to beat Blitzburgh?


You never know what you have in Pittsburgh. On paper they look like a team on the decline. They lost their home run hitter in Mike Wallace, leaving them with little experience across from Antonio Brown. They don't have much at TE either. They are going to rely on a rookie back to get their run game going in Le'Veon Bell. I don't see Pitt scoring much this year. Shouldn't be too hard.
I think their defense will dictate how good they can be this year. Pitts defense is streaky but they have the potential to be a Top 10 defense.

I think Minnesota's key to the season will be scoring. I'm confident the defense will limit opposing offenses. We have to come away with more points this season if we want to progress. With all the added talent, we need to improve our 3rd down conversion rate and score more TDs opposed to FGs. If we can get better in those areas, I think we can compete with anybody.
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I think having Robinson as slot CB over Winfield, potentially gives the team more versatility in coverage. As stated above, Winfield mostly played in the slot and rarely trailed WRs down the field. Robinson has the physical skills to play inside or out, or down the field. He obviously struggled as a rookie, but i think if Cook and Rhodes can solidify the outside spots, he will be a good player in the slot. He has the athletic skills to play on the outside if MN wants to move around its CBs depending on matchups. Winfield didnt allow for this.

Jefferson wasnt bad purely as a slot CB. It was when he was moved to the outside, where he struggled in coverage. Again, if Cook and Rhodes can solidify the outside spots, Jefferson should be fine as a slot CB.

I think this group of 4 CBs is potentially the best the Vikings have had in years. Throw in Harrison Smith and Jamarca Snaford, I feel very confident about this secondary. Mostly, the success of this group will depend on Rhodes exceling as a rookie and Cook remaining healthy.
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PostPosted: Sun May 12, 2013 1:30 am    Post subject: Re: 2013 Vikings Win/Loss Regular Season Predictions by Sche Reply with quote

twslhs20 wrote:


He was our best CB last season.

http://wp.advancednflstats.com/defenderstats.php?pos=CB


Winfield in 2012 at 35 years old =/= Winfield in 2013 at 36 years old.

twslhs20 wrote:


Jennings is legit. Patterson is a complete project so to say hes going to be 10x better than who we currently have is pretty wishful thinking.


Patterson only needs to be better than Michael Jenkins (449 yards, 2 TDs) and Devin Aromashodu (182 yards, 0 TDs). That shouldn't be hard at all. They were both awful last year.

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Rhoads is going to be a stud IMO. He will be our best CB by years end. Still very hard to replace 26.


Yes, but replacing Winfield was an inevitable thing. He was already declining and he's only getting older. Even Winfield at 36 years old wouldn't be able to replace Winfield at 35.

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Robinson in the slot is going to get burned up more than Madieu Williams.

Not sold on Cook yet. Tends to get beat by faster guys. Really looking for Jefferson to step up and play the slot. I'd feel better with that. Safety's are going to have their work cut out for them.


Not much to say other than that I disagree with pretty much all of this.

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Field position wins us games. Punters are weapons too!


And we just (almost certainly) got a better one! You should be happy.
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@ Detroit Lions W
@ Chicago Bears W
vs. Cleveland Browns W
vs. Pittsburgh Steelers (London) W
Bye Week
vs. Carolina Panthers W
@ New York Giants (Mon) L
vs. Green Bay Packers W
@ Dallas Cowboys W
vs. Washington Redskins (Thurs) W
@ Seattle Seahawks W
@ Green Bay Packers L
vs. Chicago Bears W
@ Baltimore Ravens L
vs. Philadelphia Eagles W
@ Cincinnati Bengals W
vs. Detroit Lions W

Overall 13-3 BABY
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In order of perceived difficulty. Looks like a pretty tough stretch of games from mid/late Nov. to early Dec.


Nov. 17, at Seattle Seahawks, 4:25 p.m.
Nov. 24 at Green Bay Packers. 1:00 p.m.
Sept. 15 at Chicago Bears, 1:00 p.m. (MN hasnt had much success in Chicago)
Dec. 8 at Baltimore Ravens, 1:00 p.m.
Oct. 27 vs. Green Bay Packers 8:30 p.m.
Oct. 21 at New York Giants (Mon), 8:40 p.m.
Sept. 29 vs. Pittsburgh Steelers (London), 1:00 p.m.
Nov. 3 at Dallas Cowboys, 1:00 p.m
Nov. 7 vs. Washington Redskins (Thurs), 8:25 p.m.
Dec. 1 vs. Chicago Bears. 1:00 p.m.
Dec. 22 at Cincinnati Bengals, 1:00 p.m.
Sept. 8 at Detroit Lions, 1:00 p.m.
Oct. 13 vs. Carolina Panthers, 1:00 p.m.
Dec. 15 vs. Philadelphia Eagles, 1:00 p.m.
Dec. 29 Detroit Lions, 1:00 p.m.
Sept. 22 vs. Cleveland Browns, 1:00 p.m.
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Krauser wrote:
Josh Robinson should do fine as a slot corner. It's not as difficult a job as what we asked him to do last year. The main problem will be replacing Winfield's tackling ability -- he was probably our best run defender.

Winfield was very good last year but I don't think he was anywhere near the top of the league as a CB, despite what the stats say.

Winfield played in the slot most of the time, hardly ever tried to cover anyone downfield. Even when Cook was hurt, he didn't usually match up against Megatron, Vincent Jackson, or whoever. Plus the other CBs (Jefferson and BRob) were terrible, so they were usually targeted.


That's Winfield in this era: a limited player, but great in that limited role (thus producing efficiency stats that overestimate his value). He'll be a strong addition to the Seahawks (and would've been perfect this year for the Vikings with Rhodes added, sigh). But he shouldn't be too hard to replace, much easier than Cook would be.


Also Winfield was one of the best at corner blitzing. Even when he was in the slot he didn't need safety help. It allowed for Fraizer to roll the safety zone coverage closer to the edges of the field. 36 or not, the dude can still play at a high level. People are going to see a decline in the secondary.

Everyone expects Cook to be a true number 1 CB. Well hes been in the NFL 3 years and has yet to play a full season. No one is concerned with that? I find it ironic Robinson, Cook, and Cedric Griffin are all together in that stat line.

So, if we are Putting stats into perspective, I think its pretty telling that our future 1# only played 11 games (ESPN says 10) and is ranked in the top 100. Well lest say approx 45 of those DBs are ranked higher in spot play. That puts him 47th. Still pretty bad. So while Winfield was indeed in a limited role, he allowed the defense to do more things.
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