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PostPosted: Sun May 05, 2013 3:03 pm    Post subject: 2013 Offseason Thread™ [Vol. V] Reply with quote



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Head Coach - Chip Kelly

Offensive Coordinator - Pat Shurmur
Quarterbacks - Bill Lazor
Running Backs - Duce Staley
Wide Receivers - Bob Bicknell
Tight Ends - Ted Williams
Assistant Tight Ends - Justin Peelle
Offensive Line - Jeff Stoutland
Assistant O-Line - Greg Austin
Offensive Quality Control - Press Taylor

Defensive Coordinator - Billy Davis
Defensive Line/Assistant HC - Jerry Azzinaro
Assistant Defensive Line - Erik Chinander
Inside Linebackers - Rick Minter
Outside Linebackers - Bill McGovern
Secondary - John Lovett
Assistant Secondary -Todd Lyght
Defensive Quality Control - Mike Dawson

Special Teams Coordinator - Dave Fipp
Assistant Special Teams - Matthew Harper

Head Athletic Trainer - Chris Peduzzi
Strength And Conditioning - Josh Hingst
Sports Science Coordinator - Shaun Huls


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QB - Michael Vick | Nick Foles | Dennis Dixon | Matt Barkley | GJ Kinne
RB - LeSean McCoy | Bryce Brown | Felix Jones | Chris Polk | Matthew Tucker
Z WR - DeSean Jackson | Damaris Johnson | Russel Sheppard
X WR - Jeremy Maclin | Arrelious Benn | Riley Cooper | Ifeanyi Momah | BJ Cunningham | Will Murphy
Y WR - Jason Avant | Greg Salas | Nick Miller
TE - Brent Celek | James Casey | Zach Ertz | Clay Harbor | Emil Igwenagu | Derek Carrier | Will Shaw
LT - Jason Peters | Ed Wang | Matt Tobin
LG - Evan Mathis | Allen Barbe | Nate Menkin
C - Jason Kelce | Dallas Reynolds | Matt Tennant | Kyle Quinn
RG - Todd Herremans | Danny Watkins | Matt Kopa | Julian Vandervelde
RT - Lane Johnson | Dennis Kelly | Nick Purcell
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RDE - Fletcher Cox | Vinny Curry | Ronnie Cameron | Isaac Remington | Damion Square | Daryell Walker
NT - Isaac Sopoaga | Antonio Dixon | Bennie Logan
LDE - Cedric Thornton | Clifton Geathers | Joe Kruger | David King
PRED - Trent Cole | Phillip Hunt | Everette Brown
WILB - Mychal Kendricks | Jamar Chaney | Casey Matthews | Emmanuel Acho | Jake Knott
SILB - DeMeco Ryans | Jason Phillips
SAM - Connor Barwin | Brandon Graham | Chris McCoy
RCB - Cary Williams | Curtis Marsh | Trevard Lindley
LCB - Bradley Fletcher | Brandon Hughes | Eddie Whitley
Slot CB - Brandon Boykin | Jordan Poyer
FS - Nate Allen | Kenny Phillips | David Sims
SS - Pat Chung | Kurt Coleman | Colt Anderson | Earl Wolff
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K - Alex Henery
P - Donnie Jones | Brad Wing
LS - Jon Dorenbos


Free Agent | Trade | Draft Pick | UDFA
Eagles Cap | PE.com Depth Chart


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Colt Anderson signs a one-year, $900k contract
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Jon Dorenbos signs four-year, $3.85 million deal
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Eagles released CB Nnamdi Asomugha
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Eagles released P Mat McBriar
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Eagles released: LB Ryan Rau, LB Marcus Dowtin, WR Ron Johnson and CB Chris Hawkins
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Eagles released QB Trent Edwards
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Eagles released TE Evan Moore
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Eagles sign WR Will Murphy and DE Daryell Walker. DeMarco Sampson and Ron Cameron were released
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Eagles waived T/G Matt Reynolds. He was replaced by UDFA OL Nick Purcell
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Eagles waived WR Marvin McNutt.
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Eagles waived RB Miguel Maysonet. Sign TE Will Shaw.

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Signed QB Denis Dixon to a two-year, $1.545 million contract

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Eagles signed TE/FB James Casey to a three-year, $14.5 million contract

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Eagles signed CB Bradley Fletcher to a two-year, $5.25 million deal

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Eagles signed NT Isaac Sopoaga to a three-year deal worth nearly $12 million

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Eagles signed S Pat Chung to a three-year, $10 million contract

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Eagles signed LB Jason Phillips to a two-year contract


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Eagles signed FS Kenny Phillips to a one-year, $1.85 million contract


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Eagles signed CB Cary Williams to a three-year, $17 million contract


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Eagles signed LB Connor Barwin to a six-year, $36 million contract


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Eagles acquired WR Arrelious Benn and a 2013 seventh-round pick from the Buccaneers in exchange for Philadelphia's 2013 sixth-round pick and a 2014 conditional pick


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Eagles signed P Donnie Jones to a one-year contract


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Eagles acquired DE Clifton Geathers from the Colts for FB Stanley Havili


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Eagles signed WR Ifeanyi Momah to a three-year contract


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Eagles acquired LB Emmanuel Acho from the Browns in exchange for RB Dion Lewis


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Eagles signed RB Felix Jones to a one-year contract




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Current Estimated Cap Space
$20,028,785

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Preseason Schedule

Friday, August 9 New England Patriots 7:30 PM
Thursday, August 15 Carolina Panthers 7:30 PM
Saturday, August 24 @Jacksonville Jaguars 7:30 PM
Thursday, August 29 @New York Jets 7 PM

Regular Season Schedule

Monday, Sept. 9 @Washington Redskins 7:10 PM*
Sunday, Sept. 15 San Diego Chargers 1 PM
Thursday, Sept. 19 Kansas City Chiefs 8:25 PM*
Sunday, Sept. 29 @Denver Broncos 4:25 PM*
Sunday, Oct. 6 @New York Giants 1 PM
Sunday, Oct. 13 @Tampa Bay Buccaneers 1 PM
Sunday, Oct. 20 Dallas Cowboys 1 PM
Sunday, Oct. 27 New York Giants 1 PM
Sunday, Nov. 3 @Oakland Raiders 4:05 PM
Sunday, Nov. 10 @Green Bay Packers 1 PM
Sunday, Nov. 17 Washington Redskins 1 PM+
Sunday, Nov. 24 BYE WEEK
Sunday, Dec. 1 Arizona Cardinals 1 PM+
Sunday, Dec. 8 Detroit Lions 1 PM+
Sunday, Dec. 15 @Minnesota Vikings 1 PM+
Sunday, Dec. 22 Chicago Bears 1 PM+
Sunday, Dec. 29 @Dallas Cowboys 1 PM+
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2013 Draft Picks

1st Round #4 - Lane Johnson, OT, Oklahoma
2nd Round #3 - Zach Ertz, TE, Stanford
3rd Round #5 - Bennie Logan, DT, LSU
4th Round #1 - Matt Barkley, QB, USC
5th Round #3 - Earl Wolff, S, NC State
7th Round #6 - Joe Kruger, DE, Utah
7th Round #12 - Jordan Poyer, CB, Oregon St
7th Round #33 - David King, DE, Oklahoma


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2013 Offseason Thread™ [Vol. II]
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2013 Offseason Thread™ [Vol. III]
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2013 Offseason Thread™ [Vol. IV]

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PostPosted: Sun May 05, 2013 3:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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killdawabbit wrote:
So, since you comprehended what I wrote, at what point was it that I ignored there methodology? I even made a point to mention it...multiple times...

PFF applied their formula to everyone the same. They have numbers and stuff to back it up (such as they are...). People are here crying and screaming about how that "doesn't seem right". Every time someone rates an Eagles player well the same thing happens. "They're not credible". "He's overrated". So on and so forth. Let it go. According to the metrics they use, Mathis is whatever he was rated (I haven't even looked because I don't care). By arguing that that is not so, you are arguing that they deviated from their methodology.


Did I say you ignored their methodology? You've lost me again completely.
It's flipping bolded in the quote tree above. How could that possibly lose you?
Again, nobody is interested in arguing that they deviated from their methodology. I can't for the life of me figure out where you've gotten that idea from.
That's exactly what they are arguing, though. Exactly. Based on their methodology, Mathis is whatever they have him ranked as. To argue against him being there on their list can literally be nothing else. It's impossible.
PFF isn't some child at the beach building a sand castle, where criticizing the end product would be pretty silly.
Sure.
PFF creates their rankings to create discussion. You can agree, disagree, or question their methods. People have routinely found problems with their conclusions. And thus, criticizing their method is merited, appropriate, and pretty standard.
Sure.
According to some people, long arms is the number one indicator for whether a player will have a good career. When people question that false logic, it's not because there is a deviation from the methodology. It's because it's debatable.
Apples =/= oranges.
Any ranking is debatable. PFF is no different. I think the claim that we have the #2 offensive player in the NFL on our terrible offensive line is hilariously debatable.


There are really only 2 debates against a ranking of this nature, however. You disagree with the method (which some in this thread have done). Or you assume they deviated from their method (which some have also done, though not in so many words).

Right now I'll disagree with your method. Terrible offensive line =/= one of the players playing at a high level.

The bottom line is that you continue to miss my point and are dragging the conversation away from it.


It lost me because the post you were referring to was way up in the quote tree. Still yet, I never said you ignored the methodology. You said you were tired that people can't just accept the high ranking and be happy about it. I'm saying to do so would require a person to sweep the garbage under the rug.

And no, there are plenty of more ways one could disagree with any ranking system.

And my "method" isn't that Mathis isn't as good as PFF is portraying him to be, simply because the line as a whole was bad. My method is one where we apply our own knowledge and experience watching and maintaining a level of understanding of the Eagles (which I can guarantee far surpasses that of PFF) and finding a discrepancy between my own understanding of Evan Mathis as a player and the one PFF is drawing up in the dirt.

When I watch Evan Mathis play I am not watching the 2nd best offensive player in professional football today. No, PFF did not deviate from their method. But their conclusions are questionable at best.
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PostPosted: Sun May 05, 2013 3:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mathis is a very good offensive lineman, but saying he's the 6th best player in the league is going pretty far.
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PostPosted: Sun May 05, 2013 3:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sigh… This argument is retarded.

Comparing Evan Mathis to quarterbacks and running backs is stupid. Apples to oranges. Evan Mathis could be the best guard in the history of the NFL but he still wouldn't affect the win column the way a mediocre QB like Andy Dalton does but Mathis is a better guard than Dalton is a QB.

None of you actually know PFF's methodology.

Evan Mathis is extremely good. Anyone arguing that doesn't know what they're talking about. He's extremely fundamentally sound. He's very intelligent. He's very athletic with good feet, he won't be beat with quickness and he can pull/trap with relative ease compared to other guards. His mobility at the guard spot is a big skill for what we do in the running game the past few seasons. He's an extremely reliable guard in every facet of the game.
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PostPosted: Sun May 05, 2013 3:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

PFF ranked the top players of 2012.
The list goes:

J.J. Watt
Adrian Peterson
Geno Atkins
Von Miller
Richard Sherman
Evan Mathis
Peyton Manning

and so forth (descending order).

Somebody please read this without laughing.

Nobody is making fun of Evan or calling him a bad player, so there's no need to get defensive.
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PostPosted: Sun May 05, 2013 3:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

i like how stupidly advanced and pretty our first posts on all big threads are becoming!
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PostPosted: Sun May 05, 2013 3:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Evan Mathis doesn't make spectacular plays but he also doesn't get beat. That's how PFF rates him. He gets a positive grade on every play from them because he's involved in every single play at the guard spot and he rarely gets beat. Thats why he's rated so high.
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i like how stupidly advanced and pretty our first posts on all big threads are becoming!
we are an awesome bunch of posters.

Mini-camp starts this week, correct?
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Evan Mathis doesn't make spectacular plays but he also doesn't get beat. That's how PFF rates him. He gets a positive grade on every play from them because he's involved in every single play at the guard spot and he rarely gets beat. Thats why he's rated so high.

We get that. We're just wondering what twisted internal sorcery was necessary to land him the 2nd overall spot for offensive players in professional football.

Sure, it's their list and their method. It doesn't change the fact that people will argue against their conclusion that he was the #6 best player in the NFL, just ahead of Peyton Manning.

And no, we aren't comparing Mathis to backs or quarterbacks. PFF did that for us by creating the list in the first place.
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I'm still curious if there are any other sites out there that rate and calculate statistics for Olineman? If so where do they rate Mathis the past two years in comparison to PFF? It's the least glorified position in sports. Of course others are viewed better or more important to winning games. They get the highlights and stats based of their protection and blocking or lack there of from that line.
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with as bad as center and right guard and the absence of Peters and the wild card that has been Vick and a rookie name Foles, and not to mentions Andys amazing playcalling i am surprised Mathis didnt grade out poorer.

I believe that offensive lineman need there team mates in the trenches more then anything, communication and a 6th sense-instincts with one another is critical and when that goes sheeeit goes out the window rteally quick. Its why teams twisted and stunted so much against us, they knew we had holes in our fence and communication was going to be poor. Considering a lot of the circumstances around Mathis, he could of done soooooooo much worst, like he could of been one of the worst guards in the league really, but he stood tall as the last hope in the middle there..
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Meco wrote:
Sigh… This argument is retarded.

Comparing Evan Mathis to quarterbacks and running backs is stupid. Apples to oranges. Evan Mathis could be the best guard in the history of the NFL but he still wouldn't affect the win column the way a mediocre QB like Andy Dalton does but Mathis is a better guard than Dalton is a QB.

None of you actually know PFF's methodology.

Evan Mathis is extremely good. Anyone arguing that doesn't know what they're talking about. He's extremely fundamentally sound. He's very intelligent. He's very athletic with good feet, he won't be beat with quickness and he can pull/trap with relative ease compared to other guards. His mobility at the guard spot is a big skill for what we do in the running game the past few seasons. He's an extremely reliable guard in every facet of the game.


I mean wasn't Larry Allen the best guard in NFL history?

And Bruce Matthews was a game changer.

But Evan Mathis isn't that good. I still love the guy and don't think he should be replaced any time soon. With Jason Peters coming back, he should look even better.
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PostPosted: Sun May 05, 2013 7:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nabbs4u wrote:
I'm still curious if there are any other sites out there that rate and calculate statistics for Olineman? If so where do they rate Mathis the past two years in comparison to PFF? It's the least glorified position in sports. Of course others are viewed better or more important to winning games. They get the highlights and stats based of their protection and blocking or lack there of from that line.

Stats aren't the only way to determine how successful or good a player is. In fact, a lot of people stay away from statistics simply because they routinely do not tell the entire story and are misleading.

As such, it's really only one particular source that has (notoriously) rated Evan Mathis as not just one of the best linemen in the NFL, but THE best lineman in professional football and a top 6 performer in the entirely league.

Yes, according to THEIR method, that's where he belongs. But when the rest of the world probably wouldn't even think of Evan Mathis as a top 50 player in the NFL, there he is, just above Peyton Manning.

PFF is the complete out-lire, it's not that blasphemous to question what they've done.
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