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PostPosted: Sun May 05, 2013 1:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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What you guys don't understand is that Arthur Brown could have just as easily be taken in the top 5 picks in the 2nd round. Same with Warford.

Imagine if both weren't available. It would have been a massive failure of a move.

The fact of the matter is that both Warford and Greene were available.

Had they not been, the FO could have looked at alternative players or traded down again.
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PostPosted: Sun May 05, 2013 2:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I love that everyones answer to everything is "just trade down again"
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PostPosted: Sun May 05, 2013 3:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I love that everyones answer to everything is "just trade down again"

Who said that?
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PostPosted: Sun May 05, 2013 3:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

DistantRam wrote:
chris00cm wrote:
What you guys don't understand is that Arthur Brown could have just as easily be taken in the top 5 picks in the 2nd round. Same with Warford.

Imagine if both weren't available. It would have been a massive failure of a move.

The fact of the matter is that both Warford and Greene were available.

Had they not been, the FO could have looked at alternative players or traded down again.


And then the talent is getting barer and barer. I'm fine with what they did. Sure, i would have liked the trade in hindsight getting A.Brown and Warford, but it was way to much of a risk for them when they had one of the top guys on their entire draft board sitting there.
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PostPosted: Sun May 05, 2013 4:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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...they had one of the top guys on their entire draft board sitting there.

Ogletree was there at #22. Why didn't they take him then?
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PostPosted: Sun May 05, 2013 5:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

DistantRam wrote:
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...they had one of the top guys on their entire draft board sitting there.

Ogletree was there at #22. Why didn't they take him then?


Sneed said they rolled the dice and moved down to recoup some of the picks they traded away to move up for austin. Also there were four players they targeted including Ogletree at 22 and 30.
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Sneed said they rolled the dice...

But if they really wanted Ogletree, why didn't they just take him at #22?
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DistantRam wrote:
NVRamsFan wrote:
Sneed said they rolled the dice...

But if they really wanted Ogletree, why didn't they just take him at #22?


To recoup picks traded away. He also said they only had one team, Minnesota, they thought would take the MLB once Dallas had traded down.
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PostPosted: Sun May 05, 2013 7:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

NVRamsFan wrote:
DistantRam wrote:
NVRamsFan wrote:
Sneed said they rolled the dice...

But if they really wanted Ogletree, why didn't they just take him at #22?


To recoup picks traded away. He also said they only had one team, Minnesota, they thought would take the MLB once Dallas had traded down.
Pretty much this. The Austin trade put a big dent into our draft. Without the trade down to 30, our draft would have been bare.

It wasn't worth it to Les Snead to trade down again and settle for a 3rd round talent instead of taking a top 20 talent.
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Last year trading down for more picks made perfect sense because the Rams needed players at just about every position.

This year they really needed to get quality players if they are going to have any hope of keeping up with the 49ers and Seahawks. That becomes harder to do when you trade down.

Furthermore folks have to consider the Patriots had different needs than the Rams. Thus, if the Rams would have made that trade whose to say other teams picking ahead of them wouldn't have made different picks. Case in point teams weren't really concerned about the Patriots spending a high pick on an interior lineman, so who is to say Warford would have been there at 52.

Finally, I go back to the draft where the Cards had a shot at some guy named Terrell Suggs. They decided to trade down for two late first round picks - neither of which is on the team with one out of the league entirely. Not saying Ogletree is necessarily going to be in that class, but just point out quantity does not trump quality.
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PostPosted: Tue May 07, 2013 9:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Halradio wrote:
Last year trading down for more picks made perfect sense because the Rams needed players at just about every position.

This year they really needed to get quality players if they are going to have any hope of keeping up with the 49ers and Seahawks. That becomes harder to do when you trade down.

Furthermore folks have to consider the Patriots had different needs than the Rams. Thus, if the Rams would have made that trade whose to say other teams picking ahead of them wouldn't have made different picks. Case in point teams weren't really concerned about the Patriots spending a high pick on an interior lineman, so who is to say Warford would have been there at 52.

Finally, I go back to the draft where the Cards had a shot at some guy named Terrell Suggs. They decided to trade down for two late first round picks - neither of which is on the team with one out of the league entirely. Not saying Ogletree is necessarily going to be in that class, but just point out quantity does not trump quality.
Ill play devils advocate. The Chiefs could have gotten the Saints first and a future first for Glenn Dorsey and they declined. It goes both ways but in this situation we are best off picking Ogletree.
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DistantRam wrote:
chris00cm wrote:
What you guys don't understand is that Arthur Brown could have just as easily be taken in the top 5 picks in the 2nd round. Same with Warford.

Imagine if both weren't available. It would have been a massive failure of a move.

The fact of the matter is that both Warford and Greene were available.

Had they not been, the FO could have looked at alternative players or traded down again.

There is no way that Snead could know that Brown and Warford would be there in the second. And if you trade down again all you end up with is depth guys to solid starter types. Ogletree has the talent to be the best WLB in the game. I wouldn't have done the trade. I'm happy we got Ogletree.
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PostPosted: Wed May 08, 2013 10:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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There is no way that Snead could know that Brown and Warford would be there in the second.

And there is no way that Snead could have known that Ogletree would've been there at thirty. It was a gamble.
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PostPosted: Wed May 08, 2013 12:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

DistantRam wrote:
FRO wrote:
There is no way that Snead could know that Brown and Warford would be there in the second.

And there is no way that Snead could have known that Ogletree would've been there at thirty. It was a gamble.


That they won. What is the issue again? They got the guy they had #2 on their entire draft board at #30 and got extra picks to move down there. IMO, it was brilliant but risky.
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DistantRam wrote:
FRO wrote:
There is no way that Snead could know that Brown and Warford would be there in the second.

And there is no way that Snead could have known that Ogletree would've been there at thirty. It was a gamble.
A much greater chance Ogletree drops than the other two. Only had 1-2 teams that would have possibly taken him.
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