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PostPosted: Mon May 06, 2013 7:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hatcher had 40 plus QB disruptions, good for 3rd by a DT - but hes a nobody?
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PostPosted: Mon May 06, 2013 8:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Hatcher had 40 plus QB disruptions, good for 3rd by a DT - but hes a nobody?


Did someone say that he was a nobody? He was the best player on our defensive line.
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PostPosted: Mon May 06, 2013 9:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Hatcher had 40 plus QB disruptions, good for 3rd by a DT - but hes a nobody?


Did someone say that he was a nobody? He was the best player on our defensive line.


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PostPosted: Mon May 06, 2013 10:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

MaddHatter wrote:
Dboys88-82 wrote:
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Hatcher had 40 plus QB disruptions, good for 3rd by a DT - but hes a nobody?


Did someone say that he was a nobody? He was the best player on our defensive line.


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Hatcher is not an ideal fit for a long term answer on the DL. While he is an excellent part of a deep rotation - arguably the best man in the entire rotation last season - are offenses going to gameplan against him? Are offensive line coaches going to devote film time to just figuring out the best way to account for him when he's on te field? Not likely. Yes, you've got Ware for them to account for. But who's going to be that secondary or even tertiary problem for the OL? Spencer has rushed on a subpar level coming off the edge in a four man front compared to when he's standing; Ratliff may not bounce back from last year (Hope he does, thats my dog~), and no man on the 'famous rotation' we all keep mentioning is going to scare anyone.

If you look at the successful variations of this defensive scheme, the teams involved often had two powerful and ferocious guys in the inside, and we don't even know if we will have one. And while Ware can likely be far better than Simeon Rice (TB), Jared Allen (MIN) or Peppers (CHI) in this role, do we even know if HE can bounce back?

Just too many question marks on that defensive line. And Hatcher isn't going to give many offenses nightmares or even headaches. Nobody? Not a deadbeat nobody. But still just a nobody rotational situational fluctuational guy.

Let's not mistake good depth at a position for having great players at a position.
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PostPosted: Mon May 06, 2013 11:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This is likely Hatchers last year with us.

That said, football is all about the long and short game. Some players are exceptional - albeit only have an impact for a few seasons - some grow into stars after the course of a while.

Hatcher is an excellent player and likely will be for us again next year. Which bodes well on two fronts: We get a fantastic performance AND will likely be able to receive high compensation when he signs elsewhere.
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PostPosted: Tue May 07, 2013 1:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jason Hatcher being the best player on our DL is not a good thing. It's pretty sad we don't have nobody on our DL other than Ware or Spencer who is excels at rushing the passer.
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I think some of you underrates Hatcher. In the 3-4, he more often then not had to hold a bit back and react to what happens which means it takes longer to get to the QB, also his assignment sometimes is to make room for the LB'ers. This is something he has pointed out himself that it was something that hurts the chance for him to get to the QB.

With a scheme change, he will be allowed to more just penetrate the gap and get up the field before reacting, Something he has pointed out that he looks forward to, and that he think will be fun and suit him well as it is more of the same role as he had in college where he had great success with getting to the QB.

- That he's our best DT isn't a bad thing, it means we don't have any really elite DT yes, but he was one of the better 3-4 DE's in the NFL and if he can translate to the 4-3 we should be very pleased. Not every team in the NFL can have an elite player on every position.
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I believe our staff is very high on both Crawford and Lissemore. Hopefully both of them progress significantly this season and our d-line would be in much better shape for the future. None the less, more d-lineman will be needed in the future. As far as the rest of the defense goes, the LB'ERS and cb's are in fantastic shape for the future. The safety spot is a HUGE question mark but we do have some young talent back there who could emerge. Hopefully if all goes well I think the defense should be ok this season and finish top 10 or so in most of the important defensive stats.
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PostPosted: Tue May 07, 2013 8:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Jason Hatcher being the best player on our DL is not a good thing. It's pretty sad we don't have nobody on our DL other than Ware or Spencer who is excels at rushing the passer.


It is entirely reasonable that Hatcher will be our 3rd (and possibly 4th) best RL this year.

Plus, all four of our likely starters excel at penetration - so I really don't know what you are talking about.
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Texas_OutLaw7 wrote:
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Jason Hatcher being the best player on our DL is not a good thing. It's pretty sad we don't have nobody on our DL other than Ware or Spencer who is excels at rushing the passer.


It is entirely reasonable that Hatcher will be our 3rd (and possibly 4th) best RL this year.

Plus, all four of our likely starters excel at penetration - so I really don't know what you are talking about.


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I know around draft time i saw broaddus tweet that this coaching staff viewed hatcher as a rotational player and not a starter. Maybe we see lissemore start in the spot we are all pegging hatcher to start at. I think in any case we will see hatcher play both DT and DE.
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Hatcher is a great penetrator - Ratliff was and can be a great penetrator. Lissemore and Crawford are very strong depth with lots of potential and Price can be a fantastic player if he can get past his grief and find his focus. Im not worried about our interior DL if they can stay healthy and keep guys fresh. The fact Rod is our DL coach means more to our DL than any DP or FA signing ever could have.
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Texas_OutLaw7 wrote:
This is likely Hatchers last year with us.

That said, football is all about the long and short game. Some players are exceptional - albeit only have an impact for a few seasons - some grow into stars after the course of a while.

Hatcher is an excellent player and likely will be for us again next year. Which bodes well on two fronts: We get a fantastic performance AND will likely be able to receive high compensation when he signs elsewhere.


Here's what's troubling: if this is indeed Hatcher's last season with the team, why didn't we address the d-line in the draft? It's not like Ratliff is going to on the team for much longer either given his age, injury history, and declining production due to being miscast as a NT for so many years.
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PostPosted: Tue May 07, 2013 10:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Texas_OutLaw7 wrote:
This is likely Hatchers last year with us.

That said, football is all about the long and short game. Some players are exceptional - albeit only have an impact for a few seasons - some grow into stars after the course of a while.

Hatcher is an excellent player and likely will be for us again next year. Which bodes well on two fronts: We get a fantastic performance AND will likely be able to receive high compensation when he signs elsewhere.


Here's what's troubling: if this is indeed Hatcher's last season with the team, why didn't we address the d-line in the draft? It's not like Ratliff is going to on the team for much longer either given his age, injury history, and declining production due to being miscast as a NT for so many years.


I figure Dallas is banking on Crawford and Price filling those spots. Nonetheless, have to agree it's troubling, though typical for Jerry and Co. to put the trenches on the back burner.

Have to put some faith in Marinelli to preform some magic.
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Texas_OutLaw7 wrote:
This is likely Hatchers last year with us.

That said, football is all about the long and short game. Some players are exceptional - albeit only have an impact for a few seasons - some grow into stars after the course of a while.

Hatcher is an excellent player and likely will be for us again next year. Which bodes well on two fronts: We get a fantastic performance AND will likely be able to receive high compensation when he signs elsewhere.


Here's what's troubling: if this is indeed Hatcher's last season with the team, why didn't we address the d-line in the draft? It's not like Ratliff is going to on the team for much longer either given his age, injury history, and declining production due to being miscast as a NT for so many years.


I don't disagree, I would have liked it addressed. But it's entirely plausible that they like what they have going forward with Bass, Call, Crawford, Price, Liss. That's a lot possible young talent.
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