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He played against Pitt, so let's not go crazy here. Was he brilliant? ABSOLUTELY. But, it was one game. Let's see how he fares throughout the season and for the next year or two before swooning over him.


His composure and field vision for a redshirt freshman was great even if it was "just Pitt". You see the 3rd and 17 on a blitz, getting drilled and throwing a laser on a dime to a WR who didn't have to slow down one step? As an FSU fan he is light years ahead of Ponder and Manuel in reading the field at this stage in his career and they were both first round QBs. Not syaing he is going to be the greatest QB ever, but the hype is warranted.


Like I said, let's not go crazy yet. It's far too early to make any assessment of him one way or the other. We'll know a lot more once he's played 8 or 9 games.
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There are so many blue chip talents in this upcoming draft, if dallas walked away with one i would be pumped regardless of position but preferably in the line somewhere.

One thing i want to see is these quarterbacks play and se who they will push down the board. Its like that 2-3 QBs could go in the top 5...then where do the WRs, OTs and DL fall.
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There are so many blue chip talents in this upcoming draft, if dallas walked away with one i would be pumped regardless of position but preferably in the line somewhere.

One thing i want to see is these quarterbacks play and se who they will push down the board. Its like that 2-3 QBs could go in the top 5...then where do the WRs, OTs and DL fall.


At this point in time, Teddy is the only QB that will go top 5, IMO
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Felix=Fast! wrote:
There are so many blue chip talents in this upcoming draft, if dallas walked away with one i would be pumped regardless of position but preferably in the line somewhere.

One thing i want to see is these quarterbacks play and se who they will push down the board. Its like that 2-3 QBs could go in the top 5...then where do the WRs, OTs and DL fall.


At this point in time, Teddy is the only QB that will go top 5, IMO
Tajh Boyd and if a guy like Brett Hundley declares I think it definitely possible. If teams are desperate for QB. Teams like the eagles, raiders, jags, jets, cards, kc, browns, bucs all could be in the market for a franchise QB.
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Think I'm going to keep an eye on Mettenberger. Looks like being in a pro style offense under Cameron might just be a great fit for him.
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Felix=Fast! wrote:
flyingmonkey30 wrote:
Felix=Fast! wrote:
There are so many blue chip talents in this upcoming draft, if dallas walked away with one i would be pumped regardless of position but preferably in the line somewhere.

One thing i want to see is these quarterbacks play and se who they will push down the board. Its like that 2-3 QBs could go in the top 5...then where do the WRs, OTs and DL fall.


At this point in time, Teddy is the only QB that will go top 5, IMO
Tajh Boyd and if a guy like Brett Hundley declares I think it definitely possible. If teams are desperate for QB. Teams like the eagles, raiders, jags, jets, cards, kc, browns, bucs all could be in the market for a franchise QB.


IMO, Boyd should be nowhere near the first round. I loved his heroics against LSU, but he didn't show that all year. Hundley could make a play, but I still think he has a ways to go. Tons of tools. If anyone can do it, its Hundley. Right now, my number two QB is Jeff Mathews out of Cornell. I would have him around the 15-20 area right now.
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Felix=Fast! wrote:
flyingmonkey30 wrote:
Felix=Fast! wrote:
There are so many blue chip talents in this upcoming draft, if dallas walked away with one i would be pumped regardless of position but preferably in the line somewhere.

One thing i want to see is these quarterbacks play and se who they will push down the board. Its like that 2-3 QBs could go in the top 5...then where do the WRs, OTs and DL fall.


At this point in time, Teddy is the only QB that will go top 5, IMO
Tajh Boyd and if a guy like Brett Hundley declares I think it definitely possible. If teams are desperate for QB. Teams like the eagles, raiders, jags, jets, cards, kc, browns, bucs all could be in the market for a franchise QB.


Boyd won't be a 1st round pick. Too short, too inconsistent, and his arm is too weak. He may be a 2nd or 3rd rounder, but definitely not a 1st at this point in time. Granted, that may change, but I'd doubt it. If Hundley continues to develop, I can see a team using a 1st rounder on him, though. His size and athleticism alone with make teams swoon.
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Felix=Fast! wrote:
flyingmonkey30 wrote:
Felix=Fast! wrote:
There are so many blue chip talents in this upcoming draft, if dallas walked away with one i would be pumped regardless of position but preferably in the line somewhere.

One thing i want to see is these quarterbacks play and se who they will push down the board. Its like that 2-3 QBs could go in the top 5...then where do the WRs, OTs and DL fall.


At this point in time, Teddy is the only QB that will go top 5, IMO
Tajh Boyd and if a guy like Brett Hundley declares I think it definitely possible. If teams are desperate for QB. Teams like the eagles, raiders, jags, jets, cards, kc, browns, bucs all could be in the market for a franchise QB.


IMO, Boyd should be nowhere near the first round. I loved his heroics against LSU, but he didn't show that all year. Hundley could make a play, but I still think he has a ways to go. Tons of tools. If anyone can do it, its Hundley. Right now, my number two QB is Jeff Mathews out of Cornell. I would have him around the 15-20 area right now.


Keep an eye on David Fales out of San Jose State. He has some talent as well. I'm not sure if it's 1st round talent, but I wouldn't rule it out.
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plan9misfit wrote:
Felix=Fast! wrote:
flyingmonkey30 wrote:
Felix=Fast! wrote:
There are so many blue chip talents in this upcoming draft, if dallas walked away with one i would be pumped regardless of position but preferably in the line somewhere.

One thing i want to see is these quarterbacks play and se who they will push down the board. Its like that 2-3 QBs could go in the top 5...then where do the WRs, OTs and DL fall.


At this point in time, Teddy is the only QB that will go top 5, IMO
Tajh Boyd and if a guy like Brett Hundley declares I think it definitely possible. If teams are desperate for QB. Teams like the eagles, raiders, jags, jets, cards, kc, browns, bucs all could be in the market for a franchise QB.


Boyd won't be a 1st round pick. Too short, too inconsistent, and his arm is too weak. He may be a 2nd or 3rd rounder, but definitely not a 1st at this point in time. Granted, that may change, but I'd doubt it. If Hundley continues to develop, I can see a team using a 1st rounder on him, though. His size and athleticism alone with make teams swoon.
Im not necesarrily saying they are deserving of a top 5 pick but i am saying the need will force some QBs up the board. Happens every year and the need seems really strong this season for lots of teams.
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Felix=Fast! wrote:
plan9misfit wrote:
Felix=Fast! wrote:
flyingmonkey30 wrote:
Felix=Fast! wrote:
There are so many blue chip talents in this upcoming draft, if dallas walked away with one i would be pumped regardless of position but preferably in the line somewhere.

One thing i want to see is these quarterbacks play and se who they will push down the board. Its like that 2-3 QBs could go in the top 5...then where do the WRs, OTs and DL fall.


At this point in time, Teddy is the only QB that will go top 5, IMO
Tajh Boyd and if a guy like Brett Hundley declares I think it definitely possible. If teams are desperate for QB. Teams like the eagles, raiders, jags, jets, cards, kc, browns, bucs all could be in the market for a franchise QB.


Boyd won't be a 1st round pick. Too short, too inconsistent, and his arm is too weak. He may be a 2nd or 3rd rounder, but definitely not a 1st at this point in time. Granted, that may change, but I'd doubt it. If Hundley continues to develop, I can see a team using a 1st rounder on him, though. His size and athleticism alone with make teams swoon.
Im not necesarrily saying they are deserving of a top 5 pick but i am saying the need will force some QBs up the board. Happens every year and the need seems really strong this season for lots of teams.


I totally agree that teams reach on QBs, but I don't see a team reaching on Boyd. He has too many flaws to ignore with respect to a 1st round QB. Plus, if a team is willing to select a lower ranked guy for the sole sake of filling a need rather than looking to improve the team by selecting the best player, that team will likely always be selecting at the top of the draft each year.
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plan9misfit wrote:
Felix=Fast! wrote:
plan9misfit wrote:
Felix=Fast! wrote:
flyingmonkey30 wrote:
Felix=Fast! wrote:
There are so many blue chip talents in this upcoming draft, if dallas walked away with one i would be pumped regardless of position but preferably in the line somewhere.

One thing i want to see is these quarterbacks play and se who they will push down the board. Its like that 2-3 QBs could go in the top 5...then where do the WRs, OTs and DL fall.


At this point in time, Teddy is the only QB that will go top 5, IMO
Tajh Boyd and if a guy like Brett Hundley declares I think it definitely possible. If teams are desperate for QB. Teams like the eagles, raiders, jags, jets, cards, kc, browns, bucs all could be in the market for a franchise QB.


Boyd won't be a 1st round pick. Too short, too inconsistent, and his arm is too weak. He may be a 2nd or 3rd rounder, but definitely not a 1st at this point in time. Granted, that may change, but I'd doubt it. If Hundley continues to develop, I can see a team using a 1st rounder on him, though. His size and athleticism alone with make teams swoon.
Im not necesarrily saying they are deserving of a top 5 pick but i am saying the need will force some QBs up the board. Happens every year and the need seems really strong this season for lots of teams.


I totally agree that teams reach on QBs, but I don't see a team reaching on Boyd. He has too many flaws to ignore with respect to a 1st round QB. Plus, if a team is willing to select a lower ranked guy for the sole sake of filling a need rather than looking to improve the team by selecting the best player, that team will likely always be selecting at the top of the draft each year.


Im not a Boyd supporter at all. But for conversations sake, how would he compare to Ponder, Gabbert, Tannehill or Manuel? All recent QBs who when in the 1st that could be concidered reaches. The way the NFL values QBs its not out of the question for him to go in the 1st.
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CT Cowboy Fan wrote:
plan9misfit wrote:
Felix=Fast! wrote:
plan9misfit wrote:
Felix=Fast! wrote:
flyingmonkey30 wrote:
Felix=Fast! wrote:
There are so many blue chip talents in this upcoming draft, if dallas walked away with one i would be pumped regardless of position but preferably in the line somewhere.

One thing i want to see is these quarterbacks play and se who they will push down the board. Its like that 2-3 QBs could go in the top 5...then where do the WRs, OTs and DL fall.


At this point in time, Teddy is the only QB that will go top 5, IMO
Tajh Boyd and if a guy like Brett Hundley declares I think it definitely possible. If teams are desperate for QB. Teams like the eagles, raiders, jags, jets, cards, kc, browns, bucs all could be in the market for a franchise QB.


Boyd won't be a 1st round pick. Too short, too inconsistent, and his arm is too weak. He may be a 2nd or 3rd rounder, but definitely not a 1st at this point in time. Granted, that may change, but I'd doubt it. If Hundley continues to develop, I can see a team using a 1st rounder on him, though. His size and athleticism alone with make teams swoon.
Im not necesarrily saying they are deserving of a top 5 pick but i am saying the need will force some QBs up the board. Happens every year and the need seems really strong this season for lots of teams.


I totally agree that teams reach on QBs, but I don't see a team reaching on Boyd. He has too many flaws to ignore with respect to a 1st round QB. Plus, if a team is willing to select a lower ranked guy for the sole sake of filling a need rather than looking to improve the team by selecting the best player, that team will likely always be selecting at the top of the draft each year.


Im not a Boyd supporter at all. But for conversations sake, how would he compare to Ponder, Gabbert, Tannehill or Manuel? All recent QBs who when in the 1st that could be concidered reaches. The way the NFL values QBs its not out of the question for him to go in the 1st.


Of your list, Ponder is the only player who would be rated below Boyd. He was also the only real head scratcher of that group. No one expected him to be selected in the 1st round, not even him. The others were all expected to be 1st round picks.

The other major difference between Boyd and the guys on your list:

Boyd: 6'1 (listed - more likely 5'11-6'0), 225 Lbs.
Ponder: 6'2, 229 Lbs.
Gabbert: 6'4, 235 Lbs.
Tannehill: 6'4, 222 Lbs.
Manuel: 6'4, 237 Lbs.

Please note the heights of the respective players whom I said would be rated higher than Boyd. Height matters. A lot.
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CT Cowboy Fan wrote:
plan9misfit wrote:
Felix=Fast! wrote:
plan9misfit wrote:
Felix=Fast! wrote:
flyingmonkey30 wrote:
Felix=Fast! wrote:
There are so many blue chip talents in this upcoming draft, if dallas walked away with one i would be pumped regardless of position but preferably in the line somewhere.

One thing i want to see is these quarterbacks play and se who they will push down the board. Its like that 2-3 QBs could go in the top 5...then where do the WRs, OTs and DL fall.


At this point in time, Teddy is the only QB that will go top 5, IMO
Tajh Boyd and if a guy like Brett Hundley declares I think it definitely possible. If teams are desperate for QB. Teams like the eagles, raiders, jags, jets, cards, kc, browns, bucs all could be in the market for a franchise QB.


Boyd won't be a 1st round pick. Too short, too inconsistent, and his arm is too weak. He may be a 2nd or 3rd rounder, but definitely not a 1st at this point in time. Granted, that may change, but I'd doubt it. If Hundley continues to develop, I can see a team using a 1st rounder on him, though. His size and athleticism alone with make teams swoon.
Im not necesarrily saying they are deserving of a top 5 pick but i am saying the need will force some QBs up the board. Happens every year and the need seems really strong this season for lots of teams.


I totally agree that teams reach on QBs, but I don't see a team reaching on Boyd. He has too many flaws to ignore with respect to a 1st round QB. Plus, if a team is willing to select a lower ranked guy for the sole sake of filling a need rather than looking to improve the team by selecting the best player, that team will likely always be selecting at the top of the draft each year.


Im not a Boyd supporter at all. But for conversations sake, how would he compare to Ponder, Gabbert, Tannehill or Manuel? All recent QBs who when in the 1st that could be concidered reaches. The way the NFL values QBs its not out of the question for him to go in the 1st.


Of your list, Ponder is the only player who would be rated below Boyd. He was also the only real head scratcher of that group. No one expected him to be selected in the 1st round, not even him. The others were all expected to be 1st round picks.

The other major difference between Boyd and the guys on your list:

Boyd: 6'1 (listed - more likely 5'11-6'0), 225 Lbs.
Ponder: 6'2, 229 Lbs.
Gabbert: 6'4, 235 Lbs.
Tannehill: 6'4, 222 Lbs.
Manuel: 6'4, 237 Lbs.

Please note the heights of the respective players whom I said would be rated higher than Boyd. Height matters. A lot.


I didnt realize he was that small.
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plan9misfit wrote:
flyingmonkey30 wrote:
Felix=Fast! wrote:
flyingmonkey30 wrote:
Felix=Fast! wrote:
There are so many blue chip talents in this upcoming draft, if dallas walked away with one i would be pumped regardless of position but preferably in the line somewhere.

One thing i want to see is these quarterbacks play and se who they will push down the board. Its like that 2-3 QBs could go in the top 5...then where do the WRs, OTs and DL fall.


At this point in time, Teddy is the only QB that will go top 5, IMO
Tajh Boyd and if a guy like Brett Hundley declares I think it definitely possible. If teams are desperate for QB. Teams like the eagles, raiders, jags, jets, cards, kc, browns, bucs all could be in the market for a franchise QB.


IMO, Boyd should be nowhere near the first round. I loved his heroics against LSU, but he didn't show that all year. Hundley could make a play, but I still think he has a ways to go. Tons of tools. If anyone can do it, its Hundley. Right now, my number two QB is Jeff Mathews out of Cornell. I would have him around the 15-20 area right now.


Keep an eye on David Fales out of San Jose State. He has some talent as well. I'm not sure if it's 1st round talent, but I wouldn't rule it out.


Trust me, I have been driving the Fales bandwagon since last year. I actually have him 3rd right behind Mathews, but ahead of Hundley. My big concern about Fales is his arm strength. But his tools and improvisational skills remind me of a less turnover prone Romo.
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Boyd isn't a perfect prospect, but I really like him. He's got a little combination of Steve McNair and Russel Wilson to his game, in my opinion. I'll be interested to hear reports about his work ethic as the draft approaches. He, like Wilson, is going to have to work hard to make up for his deficiencies. Regardless, I think he's a relatively safe bet to be a first round pick. He's a far better prospect than Christian Ponder, Jake Locker, and Brandon Weeden.

I would love for us to draft Hundley. Upside through the roof. Let him sit behind Romo for a couple of years and learn. Our version of Aaron Rodgers.
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