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PostPosted: Thu Aug 22, 2013 7:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

1-5 = Likely not picking, but QB needs to selected (Prob 5%)
6-10 = If we're here, we should be looking QB (Prob 10%)
11-17 = If we're here, we should look QB/DT/LB/DE/S (Prob 35%)
18-24 = If we're here, we should look DT/LB/DE/S (Prob 40%)
24-32 = If we're here, we should look DT/LB/DE/S (Prob 10%)

In the 18-32 range, I did not immediately put QB, as I think QB in those selection spots may not offer more then Ponder, I'd rather wait until round 2 and get a raw skilled QB with upside.
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 22, 2013 9:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

vikingsrule wrote:

Currently, I see Griffen, Floyd, Hodges, Cook, Rhodes, Robinson and Smith as "core" young players who this team can build around.

Greenway, Allen, and Robison make up the veteran bunch who can still be valuable and productive for this team for the next 3-4 years.

Williams is mostly done, he doesnt qualify in the group above.

Sanford, Henderson and Bishop are simply decent players, stop-gaps if you will, while this team buys time to replace them.

Pretty much agree with all of this. I'm not sure about Hodges though but this season should tell me more.

As for DE. I'm also really intrigued by Tuitt but I also like Jeffcoat as a possible 2nd round prospect & depending upon where we end up picking I still really would love to add Nix in the first round but if he's not an option I think MLB AJ Johnson should be the way we go.

If we could add both Johnson & Jeffcoat I think our defense would be set with great building blocks of Griffen, Jeffcoat, Floyd, Johnson, possibly Hodges, Rhodes, Cook, Robinson & Smith. That'd be a very young starting defense with lots of potential to grow together.
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 22, 2013 10:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

vikingsrule wrote:
Currently, I see Griffen, Floyd, Hodges, Cook, Rhodes, Robinson and Smith as "core" young players who this team can build around.


I just can't view Cook as a guy to build around given what he has shown to this point.

I think putting rookies such as Floyd and Rhodes in the above category is logical, but I don't see an argument for Hodges given where we are today. And Robinson is probably stretching it given the year he's coming off of. We'll know more after this season but really, he's not really a guy that should be viewed as a building block at this point. Which more less leave you with:

Smith
Griffen
Floyd
Rhodes

And we start to see why this team needs to continue to stock up on younger, quality pedigree.

As an aside, I don't think this team's secondary is as good or settled as some think...
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this providence wrote:
vikingsrule wrote:
Currently, I see Griffen, Floyd, Hodges, Cook, Rhodes, Robinson and Smith as "core" young players who this team can build around.


I just can't view Cook as a guy to build around given what he has shown to this point.

I think putting rookies such as Floyd and Rhodes in the above category is logical, but I don't see an argument for Hodges given where we are today. And Robinson is probably stretching it given the year he's coming off of. We'll know more after this season but really, he's not really a guy that should be viewed as a building block at this point. Which more less leave you with:

Smith
Griffen
Floyd
Rhodes

And we start to see why this team needs to continue to stock up on younger, quality pedigree.

As an aside, I don't think this team's secondary is as good or settled as some think...


Totally agree with your assessment, providence. The secondary concerns me still. And you include Rhodes in your list of building blocks... I have my questions about him still. I have high hopes but if he disappoints or has a very up and down, inconsistent season lets just say I won't be surprised.
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 26, 2013 7:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm all about Jeff Matthews. If Ponder doesn't impress this year I would trade WAY up for Matthews.

Tall, strong, rocket arm, accurate, good pocket presence, hard worker, film fiend, smart
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[UMN] wrote:
I'm all about Jeff Matthews. If Ponder doesn't impress this year I would trade WAY up for Matthews.

Tall, strong, rocket arm, accurate, good pocket presence, hard worker, film fiend, smart


Hop on the bandwagon brotha
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 30, 2013 10:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Derek Carr, QB from Fresno State, looked absolutely outstanding last night.

52 completions on 73 attempts, 5 TDs, 1 INT. 52-51 overtime win. Good pocket presence, which was the biggest thing he needed to improve on from last year. Big time arm talent and ran his offense like a veteran.

Carr and Mathews are two of my faves.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 30, 2013 4:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

jshowers wrote:
Derek Carr, QB from Fresno State, looked absolutely outstanding last night.

52 completions on 73 attempts, 5 TDs, 1 INT. 52-51 overtime win. Good pocket presence, which was the biggest thing he needed to improve on from last year. Big time arm talent and ran his offense like a veteran.

Carr and Mathews are two of my faves.


73 attempts Shocked wowza. That's a lot.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 30, 2013 5:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Already a cut up from the early candidate for game of the year.

Jordan Matthews v. Ole Miss
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 31, 2013 2:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Will be watching Nix today as he, and the Irish, play against Temple.
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rpmwr19 wrote:
Will be watching Nix today as he, and the Irish, play against Temple.


It would be nice to see Nix have his way with the Temple O-Line.

Nix's personal stats may not be that great for people to get an idea what kind of prospect he is, so it's imperative to watch him play. That's where you can notice the impact he has on every single play.
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 31, 2013 2:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

How did Hageman look for the Gophers the other night? Could he be a nose tackle candidate, or is he more 3-tech?
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How did Hageman look for the Gophers the other night? Could he be a nose tackle candidate, or is he more 3-tech?

Honestly, I think he's a better fit for a 5-tech.
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rpmwr19 wrote:
Klomp wrote:
How did Hageman look for the Gophers the other night? Could he be a nose tackle candidate, or is he more 3-tech?

Honestly, I think he's a better fit for a 5-tech.


Is that a 3-4 position? What Justin Smith plays? I'm fairly football illiterate on stuff like that
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Yes, but if he's drafted in a 43 he will definitely be a 3-tech.
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