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PostPosted: Sun Apr 28, 2013 7:34 pm    Post subject: Re: hmmm.... Reply with quote

Bears54 wrote:
I know you didn't say that, I'm just saying....

I think the loser between Webb and Carimi gets cut!!!!

I'm assuming Kyle Long is going to play LG, if he does then the battle between Webb and Carimi will be interesting....with Jordan Mills backing up the winner.....

What would be real interesting is if Kyle Long starts at RT.....

And the battle for RG is between Carimi and Jordan Mills.....Webb becomes our swing tackle......
Carimi isn't in the OT competition AT ALL. Trestman already said, Gabe is an OG. Webb's only competition at RT is Jordan Mills and Jonathan Scott, which isn't really competition for a player of Webb's caliber. Kyle Long will not be playing OT at all this year.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 29, 2013 12:10 am    Post subject: Re: hmmm.... Reply with quote

Superman(DH23) wrote:
Bears54 wrote:
I know you didn't say that, I'm just saying....

I think the loser between Webb and Carimi gets cut!!!!

I'm assuming Kyle Long is going to play LG, if he does then the battle between Webb and Carimi will be interesting....with Jordan Mills backing up the winner.....

What would be real interesting is if Kyle Long starts at RT.....

And the battle for RG is between Carimi and Jordan Mills.....Webb becomes our swing tackle......
Carimi isn't in the OT competition AT ALL. Trestman already said, Gabe is an OG. Webb's only competition at RT is Jordan Mills and Jonathan Scott, which isn't really competition for a player of Webb's caliber. Kyle Long will not be playing OT at all this year.
It certainly looks like Carimi will not be on the 53, that is what the Long pick tells me. Now I suppose he could go on IR if they decide he isn't healthy or just cut ties and let him try his luck elsewhere. I hate to see a first rounder just dropped for nothing but Emery did it with Chris Williams so it won't shock anyone.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 29, 2013 8:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

QB: Jay Cutler > Josh McCown
RB: Matt Forte > Michael Bush > Armando Allen
FB: Evan Rodriguez
WR: Brandon Marshall > Mark Harrison
WR: Alshon Jeffery > Joe Anderson
Slot: Earl Bennett > Marquess Wilson
TE: Martellus Bennett > Steve Maneri > Kyle Adams
LT: Jermon Bushrod
LG: Kyle Long > James Brown
C: Roberto Garza > Edwin Williams
RG: Matt Slauson
RT: J'Marcus Webb > Jordan Mills

Offensive Players: 23

LE: Corey Wootton > Cornelius Washington
UT: Henry Melton > Zach Minter
NT: Stephen Paea > Nate Collins
RE: Julius Peppers > Shea McClellin
SLB: James Anderson > JT Thomas
MLB: D.J Williams > Jon Bostic > Blake Costanzo
WLB: Lance Briggs > Khaseem Greene
NB: Kelvin Hayden > Isaiah Frey
CB: Charles Tillman > Zach Bowman
CB: Tim Jennings > Sherrick McManis
SS: Major Wright > Brandon Hardin > Tom Zbikowski
FS: Chris Conte > Craig Steltz

Defensive Players: 26

P: Adam Podlesh
K: Robbie Gould
LS: Patrick Mannelly
KR/PR: Devin Hester

Special Teams Players: 4
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 29, 2013 8:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wow I'm pretty surprised that most of you are writing Carimi off so easily. With all the moves made this offseason on the OL I think it's more likely that Webb gets cut or traded than Carimi does.

Carimi has not been fully healthy the past two seasons. I think his experiment at tackle may be over but he may prove to be a useful player on the inside at RG.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 29, 2013 9:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

topwop1 wrote:
Wow I'm pretty surprised that most of you are writing Carimi off so easily. With all the moves made this offseason on the OL I think it's more likely that Webb gets cut or traded than Carimi does.

Carimi has not been fully healthy the past two seasons. I think his experiment at tackle may be over but he may prove to be a useful player on the inside at RG.



I don't know how that is possible. The Bears moved Webb to RT, and essentially left that position as is. Carimi was moved to OG, and will be expected to compete against a FA pickup, a first round pick, another FA pickup, and a second year player. Even Jordan Mills has been projected to move inside.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 29, 2013 9:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mudderfudder77 wrote:
topwop1 wrote:
Wow I'm pretty surprised that most of you are writing Carimi off so easily. With all the moves made this offseason on the OL I think it's more likely that Webb gets cut or traded than Carimi does.

Carimi has not been fully healthy the past two seasons. I think his experiment at tackle may be over but he may prove to be a useful player on the inside at RG.



I don't know how that is possible. The Bears moved Webb to RT, and essentially left that position as is. Carimi was moved to OG, and will be expected to compete against a FA pickup, a first round pick, another FA pickup, and a second year player. Even Jordan Mills has been projected to move inside.


I don't think Webb is guaranteed anything. Let's be honest, he's not exactly an elite player and his biggest supporter in Mike Tice is no longer here.

When you also factor in his offseason arrest and the fact the Bears brought back Johnathan Scott and also signed Eben Britton, two guys I assume that were brought in to compete at RT, then you certainly can't pencil him in anywhere.

Carimi has that 1st round pedigree and we haven't seen him hit his ceiling yet. Webb is just an average starter who by now should have reached his potential.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 29, 2013 9:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

topwop1 wrote:
When you also factor in his offseason arrest and the fact the Bears brought back Johnathan Scott and also signed Eben Britton, two guys I assume that were brought in to compete at RT, then you certainly can't pencil him in anywhere.

Carimi has that 1st round pedigree and we haven't seen him hit his ceiling yet. Webb is just an average starter who by now should have reached his potential.


Agreed - which is a significant higher level than Scott or Britton.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 29, 2013 9:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mudderfudder77 wrote:
topwop1 wrote:
When you also factor in his offseason arrest and the fact the Bears brought back Johnathan Scott and also signed Eben Britton, two guys I assume that were brought in to compete at RT, then you certainly can't pencil him in anywhere.

Carimi has that 1st round pedigree and we haven't seen him hit his ceiling yet. Webb is just an average starter who by now should have reached his potential.


Agreed - which is a significant higher level than Scott or Britton.


In fairness Scott was very solid last year.
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53 Man Roster

Game Day In Active

QB [2]: Cutler, McCown
RB [3]: Forte, Bush, Allen
FB [1]: Rodriguez
WR [6]: Marshall, Jeffery, Bennett, Weems, Anderson, Wilson
TE [3]: Bennett, Maneri, Adams
LT[1]: Bushrod
LG [2]: Long, Brown
C [2]: Garza, E. Williams
RG [2]: Slauson, Mills
RT [2]: Webb, Scott

The Bears keep an extra OLmen because of the youth and development that is happening.

RE [2]: Peppers, McClellin
DT[2]: Melton, Collins
NT [2]: Paea, Fluellen
LE [2]: Wootton, Washington
SLB [3]: Anderson, Greene, Costanzo
MLB [2]: Williams, Bostic
WLB [2]: Briggs, Thomas
CB [5]: Tillman, Jennings, Hayden, Bowman, McManis, Frey
FS [2]: Conte, Hardin
SS [3]: Wtight, Zbikowski, Walters

I think that Steltz is in trouble with a special teams safety like Zbikowski on the roster and Emery's preference for bigger and more athletic players I think Steltz might be done. The Bears will keep 1 less DLmen than they have in the past because all 8 should be in the rotation.

Specialists [4]: Gould, Podlesh, Mannely, Hester

Injured Reserve

OG Gabe Carimi

I do not see a roll for him this season, but I can also not see the Bears wanting to let him go just yet. I think whoever is worse in camp out of Mills, Brown and Carimi will get hidden on IR for the year.

Practice Roster

C Taylor Boggs
OT Cory Brandon
QB Matt Blanchard
DT Zach Minter
DE Cheta Ozougwo
LB Dom DiCicco
RB Michael Ford
WR Mark Harrison

Scout Teams

Offense

QB: Blanchard
RB: Allen, Ford
FB: Rodriguez
WR: Anderson, Harrison, Wilson, Weems
TE: Adams
LT: Mills
LG: Brown
C: E. Williams
RG: Boggs
RT: Brandon

RE: Ozougwo
DT: Minter
NT: Fluellen
LE: Washington
SLB: Greene
MLB: Bostic
WLB: Thomas
CB: Frey, Bowman
FS: Hardin
SS: Walter
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 29, 2013 4:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Webb is going no where. He was a 7th round pick who has a to. Of size, athletic ability and starting experience. He as over matched at LT and should be good at RT. If we cut Webb he would be starting on another team by the end of that day.

What has Carimi shown anyone to think he will do anything?

He was good in college and he always struggled with speed, which does not exist in the Big 10, then he got hurt and it got worse and worse.
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WindyCity wrote:
Webb is going no where. He was a 7th round pick who has a to. Of size, athletic ability and starting experience. He as over matched at LT and should be good at RT. If we cut Webb he would be starting on another team by the end of that day.

What has Carimi shown anyone to think he will do anything?

He was good in college and he always struggled with speed, which does not exist in the Big 10, then he got hurt and it got worse and worse.


This. According to PFF he was rated as our best offensive lineman last year. And that was at LT where we all have felt that he is naturally a RT, where he showed flashes the year before. He will shine this year.
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WindyCity wrote:
Webb is going no where. He was a 7th round pick who has a to. Of size, athletic ability and starting experience. He as over matched at LT and should be good at RT. If we cut Webb he would be starting on another team by the end of that day.

What has Carimi shown anyone to think he will do anything?

He was good in college and he always struggled with speed, which does not exist in the Big 10, then he got hurt and it got worse and worse.
Webb is the most unrated player on our roster.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 29, 2013 6:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm hoping Carimi can bounce back, I expect him to make the roster over one of: Edwin Williams, Frey (heard good things about Frey so maybe not), Britton.
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Wouldnít be shocked if the Bears cut Garza, made Williams the starter and make either Carimi or Brown play center. Makes sense on a number of levels.

1. Money- According to Sports Rac.com Cutting Garza would save roughly 2 million. Cutting Carimi would actually raise his cap hit by about 1 million. Thatís a 3 million dollar net difference between cutting Garza V Carimi.

2. Age- Garza 34, Carimi 25.

3. Potential- Garza is well past his prime while Carimi has been a disappointment he canít be written entirely just yet.

The Bears have to ask themselves if they think either Carimi or Brown could learn the C position. I also know Trestman said Gabe is an OG but he has the power to change that if he wants.
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KG1187 wrote:
Wouldnít be shocked if the Bears cut Garza, made Williams the starter and make either Carimi or Brown play center. Makes sense on a number of levels.

1. Money- According to Sports Rac.com Cutting Garza would save roughly 2 million. Cutting Carimi would actually raise his cap hit by about 1 million. Thatís a 3 million dollar net difference between cutting Garza V Carimi.

2. Age- Garza 34, Carimi 25.

3. Potential- Garza is well past his prime while Carimi has been a disappointment he canít be written entirely just yet.

The Bears have to ask themselves if they think either Carimi or Brown could learn the C position. I also know Trestman said Gabe is an OG but he has the power to change that if he wants.


No.

You would take Edwin Williams and Carimi at C over Garza and Edwin Williams?

Edwin Williams is a serviceable backup, but not a starter IMO, and Carimi is not a center.
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