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REDandPEWTER


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PostPosted: Sun Apr 28, 2013 10:00 am    Post subject: R&Ps 2013 Draft Grades Reply with quote

Here are my Draft grades, being Brutally Honest:

1st Round: Traded for CB Darrelle Revis. I think we went over this several times. I'm giving it an A- that can turn into an A++++ only because we haven't seen him on theee field post knee surgery.

Grade : A-

2nd Round: Jonathon Banks CB Mississippi State

Analysis:
- Banks is a long physical CB who was a top 15 prospect IMO coming off his Jr season. He has shown he can press WRs and jam at the LOS. Has very good ball skills and has a knack for the football. He had a good Sr Season, but I wasn't a fan of him playing off the WR too much. Gave up more receptions than I expected, but that in part had to do with what the heck MSU was doing with 7-10 yard cushions it seemed. I argued with many that he wasn't worthy of the 13th pick back in december. Where we got him was perfect. I thought he would have went a little earlier late first, first few picks in 2nd. Definately before Slay, who is way too raw IMO. Good pick. Hopefully we see more of the JR year type LOS physical player.

Grade:A-

3rd Round: Mike Glennon QB NC STate
Analysis:

- I get the pick and I for one called a QB would have been taken earlier, but I would have went with Tyler Wilson or Landry Jones. I think they were better options for us. But I get it. Glennon was a perfect fit in our offense with the strong armed verticle. However, you take another guy who has some inconsistent accuracy issues. He's got a high IQ, but I think Jones and Wilson were more polished to come in and make an impact right away. I like the message to Freeman, but I think they took the wrong QB.

Grade: D

4th Round:
-Trading up DT Akeem Spence Illinois
Analysis:
- This is a pick that has Eric Stokes all over it. Spence is a big and strong DT that is perfect for the 4-3 NT position. However, he has that quick first step and strength to be a better pass rusher and improve in that department. I think poor coaching and development is why Spence didn't have as much production as he should. He's got talent and upside to be a very good player. Hopefully our staff gets a hold of him and he flourishes. He's not a raw player in the run game.

Grade: B

4th Round via NE: William Gholston DE Michigan State
Analysis:
- This is another pick that I like. Gholston, going into the college football season, was labeled a 1st round talent. He's been inconsistent as a pass rusher, but he's perfect in the "michael bennett" role. I wish it was Quanterrus Smith to be honest, but Gholston has upside and lots of it. He's versatile who can kick inside next to McCoy in Nickel. He solidifies our depth along the line and we can add in a solid rotation, something we did not have in recent years.

Grade:B+

5th Round: Steven Means OLB/DE Buffalo
Analysis:
- I don't know very much about Means. Could he have been a UDFA? I'm not sure. But Mark and Company liked him a lot, so I understand why they pulled the trigger. He's a speed rusher on the outside who can stand up or put his hand in the dirt. Versatility is what Schiano likes. He's raw but they like his upside (Stokes). We run those 3-2-6 formations and 3-3-5 on third down. He could be that sub-package rush LB.

Grade: C

6th Round: Mike James RB Miami FLA
Analysis:
- I like this pick. James isn't one to wow you with breakaway speed, but he just does everything right. He can pass block, catch out of the backfield, and run in between the tackles with power. That's what Schiano wants to spell Doug Martin.

Grade:B-

Overall: B
- The Revis Trade made this draft, but the rest was solid. I would have been happier if we took a different QB. Not saying I didn't like Glennon, but I liked the other 2 guys I mentioned better. I think they were more NFL ready to compete, although not start right away. But Glennon has upside and a rocket.

Defensively, we got a lot better and deeper in both the draft and off-season.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 28, 2013 10:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think that your grades are fair, but I don't understand your comments about the Glennon selection. Are you trying to say that we should have selected a QB earlier? It's just a bit confusing.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 28, 2013 10:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

DaRealdeal wrote:
I think that your grades are fair, but I don't understand your comments about the Glennon selection. Are you trying to say that we should have selected a QB earlier? It's just a bit confusing.


No. I meant to say, I did make the comment that we could take a QB on day 2, whether it was 2nd or 3rd round.

I think we took the wrong QB.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 28, 2013 10:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

REDandPEWTER wrote:
DaRealdeal wrote:
I think that your grades are fair, but I don't understand your comments about the Glennon selection. Are you trying to say that we should have selected a QB earlier? It's just a bit confusing.


No. I meant to say, I did make the comment that we could take a QB on day 2, whether it was 2nd or 3rd round.

I think we took the wrong QB.

Gotcha. I don't know if we took the wrong QB, especially for this offense, but I think that we could have waited another round for him.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 28, 2013 11:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

DaRealdeal wrote:
REDandPEWTER wrote:
DaRealdeal wrote:
I think that your grades are fair, but I don't understand your comments about the Glennon selection. Are you trying to say that we should have selected a QB earlier? It's just a bit confusing.


No. I meant to say, I did make the comment that we could take a QB on day 2, whether it was 2nd or 3rd round.

I think we took the wrong QB.

Gotcha. I don't know if we took the wrong QB, especially for this offense, but I think that we could have waited another round for him.


Hm, that I wouldn't be so sure of. From what I read pre-draft (yeah I know, can't always buy into that hype), that many teams liked his upside and intangbiles and were impressed with his football IQ. So maybe we could have, maybe not.

I thought Landry Jones was also a good fit for our offense and could have had him in 3rd or even 4th.

To be honest, I thought Akeem Spence was going in the 3rd with his upside.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 28, 2013 1:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I actually completely agree with the quarterback analysis. I don't mind that we took one there, I just think we took the wrong one.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 28, 2013 7:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I agree with these grades.

I will say though, that if Glennon motivates Freeman to play well every game (which is a big IF and certainly may not happen) that it will be one of the best picks in the draft.

Also if Glennon gives us someone capable to turn to in case Freeman starts Cowboys-game-of-2012-ing it up, then it's also not a bad pick.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 28, 2013 8:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

RoeKG wrote:
I agree with these grades.

I will say though, that if Glennon motivates Freeman to play well every game (which is a big IF and certainly may not happen) that it will be one of the best picks in the draft.

Also if Glennon gives us someone capable to turn to in case Freeman starts Cowboys-game-of-2012-ing it up, then it's also not a bad pick.


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Solid write up R&P.

The Glennon pick is a tough on to nail down. The reaction right of the bat is most were pissed and I am sure some still are. Considering the qbs in the class have been ranked all over from when they should be drafted to who is better than who, the one thing we know is Glennon is the best fit for our offense.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 28, 2013 10:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

R&D no offense but your post has homerism written all over it...Steven Means a C? Yeah we took a underrated free agent in the 5th round...more like D. If we wanted him so bad we should of traded back into the 7th round and got him.

And Mike James in the 6th as a B? We dont need backs, we got Martin and now Demps...pretty sure we would of kept another UDFA for depth. Would grade this a D.

Besides that I agree with rest of grades
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 28, 2013 10:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Calibucsfan wrote:
R&D no offense but your post has homerism written all over it...Steven Means a C? Yeah we took a underrated free agent in the 5th round...more like D. If we wanted him so bad we should of traded back into the 7th round and got him.

And Mike James in the 6th as a B? We dont need backs, we got Martin and now Demps...pretty sure we would of kept another UDFA for depth. Would grade this a D.

Besides that I agree with rest of grades

I can't really argue with you about the Steven Means pick as I didn't know much about him. I do see true potential in his pass rushing ability so if he brings skills to an area of need why not?
Demps most likely won't be playing. If he does I see him as return specialist only. Brian Leonard is our only back that has seen playtime. (Did Michael Smith get a snap in a regular season game?) Mike James will be a great 3rd down back in comparison to DJ Ware.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 28, 2013 10:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Also to R&P on Glennon. I started out really hating the pick, but the more I think about it the less likely we were to get him in the 4th or later as the run on QB's happened in the 4th. Do I think he's the correct qb? Maybe, I think he has the most upside to any of the qbs in terms of being a true pocket passer and when we aren't in dire need of a qb. Why not go for the highest ceiling qb? All in all i'm extremely happy with this draft in terms of filling needs, now we just have to trust that Dom and the crew selected the right people at the position.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 28, 2013 10:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Calibucsfan wrote:
R&D no offense but your post has homerism written all over it...Steven Means a C? Yeah we took a underrated free agent in the 5th round...more like D. If we wanted him so bad we should of traded back into the 7th round and got him.

And Mike James in the 6th as a B? We dont need backs, we got Martin and now Demps...pretty sure we would of kept another UDFA for depth. Would grade this a D.

Besides that I agree with rest of grades


So can you tell me where other teams had Means on their board? You and I think he could have been a UDFA. However, he could have gone a few picks after us if we passed on him.

It was a 5th round pick. We liked him and took him. Was it a great pick? No. Was it a high risk pick? No. That's why it was a C.

And the reason we took Mike James: Demps isn't guranteed to be on our roster. Dom was just trying to dump Blount for a 7th. He did that and also took on Demps, who New England did not want because he isn't 100% committed to football.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 28, 2013 10:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I like your analysis on except the Glennon one. But, before I speak on that lets all take a step back and realize for a second this an underwhelming draft class. There was depth at many positions but the talent/potential for many of these players weren't that to write home about. Didn't have any elite talents come in this year so lets put that into prospective when your talking about why Bucs are taking guys under-the-radar.

Glennon is a better fit than Landry Jones. I think that's pretty obvious to anybody. Our passing game requires a QB with good deep ball accuracy and the arm to pin point intermediate routes. Jones wouldn't have been a good fit because his arm strength would be comparable to our back-up QB last year. Tyler Wilson vs Glennon is a toss up to me. Both guys have rockets for an arm but they both seem to struggle with inconsistent play. I still can't fathom why Glennon played as pathetic as he did vs Vanderbilt in his last game. For Wilson though, we kinda got a glimpse of what he could be in the NFL. The guy had weapons around him both years as starters and he was still meh. We haven't seen what Glennon can do with a talented supporting cast. So, we might actually get a better player in the NFL than he was in college. Fingers crossed it doesn't come to that as I still have some hope that Freeman will play consistent this year with a healthy offensive line.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 28, 2013 11:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

overall, you are pretty spot on with the grades. agreed Revis is a GREAT trade if he's healthy, love Banks.

Glennon - I get it I don't like it. Would have rather waited to fourth (he wasn't bad value in the third though), don't know if we would have made it there or not but I could have settled for another guy. I like him for insurance as he can fit in our offense and he pushes Josh, but I'm hoping Freeman can be consistent next year because I don't think Glennon will be a better QB than Freeman. It is a great pick if Freeman puts it together.

Spence, good fit like it. Gholston right value, potential - gotta develop him. Means may be a no name, but its day three - athletic and is definitely talented. speed rusher, we'll know more about what we got in training camp.

The more I watch James, the more I think he'll make the team. Complete player, versatile. Great receiver, some size, good burst. Can be our backup guy. We gotta a good RB competition going on. I think Demps was a bonus, but honestly I think he's done playing football.

will be interesting to see how it all works out!
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indifference: I think a big part of NC State's meltdown in the Vanderbilt game was because the head coach, Tom O'Brian, was fired after the last regular season game and wasn't coaching the bowl game. If I remember correctly the interm head coach, Dana Bible, took the blame for several of the interceptions in that game afterwards due to bad play calls.

From what I could tell Mike Glennon played about as consistently as Russel Wilson did when he was playing for the Wolfpack. The surrounding offensive talent and coaching was pretty bad (resulting in the head coach being fired).
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