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PostPosted: Sun Apr 28, 2013 4:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Our preseason games are going to be so much fun this year! Now that the draft is over its time for training camp right? Right??? Sad
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Always found this the best site for UDFA signings.

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I don't think we plan to use Okoye as a DE at all, but a fullback? It is a hell of a lot easier to develop technique for fullback than it is for DE or DT. We have in the past used Demarcus Dobbs, Sopoaga, Tukalufu, Kilgore. Okoye has some experience running with a rugby ball (they hold it so awkwardly), he would be faster and bigger than any player Harbs has had before. I really do think he makes the 53 man roster. Bruce Miller better stay on your toes.
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I don't think we plan to use Okoye as a DE at all, but a fullback? It is a hell of a lot easier to develop technique for fullback than it is for DE or DT. We have in the past used Demarcus Dobbs, Sopoaga, Tukalufu, Kilgore. Okoye has some experience running with a rugby ball (they hold it so awkwardly), he would be faster and bigger than any player Harbs has had before. I really do think he makes the 53 man roster. Bruce Miller better stay on your toes.


I know what you mean, but I feel like that would be a bit of a waste; Miller is basically a probowl fullback already to me. I think he's that good and it's only a matter of time before he gets that recognition. While it may be harder to develop him into someone on the defensive line, it also represents higher value to the team in a long term perspective I think. To me there's no reason to try him at fullback when you basically only need one and we already have one of the best ones in the nfl.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 28, 2013 2:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I don't think we plan to use Okoye as a DE at all, but a fullback? It is a hell of a lot easier to develop technique for fullback than it is for DE or DT. We have in the past used Demarcus Dobbs, Sopoaga, Tukalufu, Kilgore. Okoye has some experience running with a rugby ball (they hold it so awkwardly), he would be faster and bigger than any player Harbs has had before. I really do think he makes the 53 man roster. Bruce Miller better stay on your toes.


I know what you mean, but I feel like that would be a bit of a waste; Miller is basically a probowl fullback already to me. I think he's that good and it's only a matter of time before he gets that recognition. While it may be harder to develop him into someone on the defensive line, it also represents higher value to the team in a long term perspective I think. To me there's no reason to try him at fullback when you basically only need one and we already have one of the best ones in the nfl.

We were good for 3-5 plays a game from the super Jumbo package and those are the situations I am talking about. Miller is good but he isn't physically superior to everyone he is going up against like Okoye would be. He still is a long shot but If he wanted to make an impact soon his best chance is in those jumbo packages
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48 1/2ers wrote:
I don't think we plan to use Okoye as a DE at all, but a fullback? It is a hell of a lot easier to develop technique for fullback than it is for DE or DT. We have in the past used Demarcus Dobbs, Sopoaga, Tukalufu, Kilgore. Okoye has some experience running with a rugby ball (they hold it so awkwardly), he would be faster and bigger than any player Harbs has had before. I really do think he makes the 53 man roster. Bruce Miller better stay on your toes.


I know what you mean, but I feel like that would be a bit of a waste; Miller is basically a probowl fullback already to me. I think he's that good and it's only a matter of time before he gets that recognition. While it may be harder to develop him into someone on the defensive line, it also represents higher value to the team in a long term perspective I think. To me there's no reason to try him at fullback when you basically only need one and we already have one of the best ones in the nfl.

We were good for 3-5 plays a game from the super Jumbo package and those are the situations I am talking about. Miller is good but he isn't physically superior to everyone he is going up against like Okoye would be. He still is a long shot but If he wanted to make an impact soon his best chance is in those jumbo packages


Oh, if that's all we are talking about, then i would absolutely agree. Curious, anyone know about Okoye's speed? one of the things that always bugged me when we put in those bigger guys was that they (and the offensive line) weren't getting a great push; I always thought that was because the guys we used (soap, etc), just lacked a great initial burst off the line offensively or defensively. The concept was sound, but I think you really want to put someone in there that is big and strong like that, but has a very good initial step/explosion.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 28, 2013 2:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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48 1/2ers wrote:
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48 1/2ers wrote:
I don't think we plan to use Okoye as a DE at all, but a fullback? It is a hell of a lot easier to develop technique for fullback than it is for DE or DT. We have in the past used Demarcus Dobbs, Sopoaga, Tukalufu, Kilgore. Okoye has some experience running with a rugby ball (they hold it so awkwardly), he would be faster and bigger than any player Harbs has had before. I really do think he makes the 53 man roster. Bruce Miller better stay on your toes.


I know what you mean, but I feel like that would be a bit of a waste; Miller is basically a probowl fullback already to me. I think he's that good and it's only a matter of time before he gets that recognition. While it may be harder to develop him into someone on the defensive line, it also represents higher value to the team in a long term perspective I think. To me there's no reason to try him at fullback when you basically only need one and we already have one of the best ones in the nfl.

We were good for 3-5 plays a game from the super Jumbo package and those are the situations I am talking about. Miller is good but he isn't physically superior to everyone he is going up against like Okoye would be. He still is a long shot but If he wanted to make an impact soon his best chance is in those jumbo packages


Oh, if that's all we are talking about, then i would absolutely agree. Curious, anyone know about Okoye's speed? one of the things that always bugged me when we put in those bigger guys was that they (and the offensive line) weren't getting a great push; I always thought that was because the guys we used (soap, etc), just lacked a great initial burst off the line offensively or defensively. The concept was sound, but I think you really want to put someone in there that is big and strong like that, but has a very good initial step/explosion.

His fastest 40 was a 4.78 his shuttle was a 4.38 Shocked Thats faster than Mingo, Lemonier, Ertz, Vance McD, and same as Knile Davis. Then he had a 10'5 broad jump and a 35" vertical
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 28, 2013 2:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

48 1/2ers wrote:
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48 1/2ers wrote:
I don't think we plan to use Okoye as a DE at all, but a fullback? It is a hell of a lot easier to develop technique for fullback than it is for DE or DT. We have in the past used Demarcus Dobbs, Sopoaga, Tukalufu, Kilgore. Okoye has some experience running with a rugby ball (they hold it so awkwardly), he would be faster and bigger than any player Harbs has had before. I really do think he makes the 53 man roster. Bruce Miller better stay on your toes.


I know what you mean, but I feel like that would be a bit of a waste; Miller is basically a probowl fullback already to me. I think he's that good and it's only a matter of time before he gets that recognition. While it may be harder to develop him into someone on the defensive line, it also represents higher value to the team in a long term perspective I think. To me there's no reason to try him at fullback when you basically only need one and we already have one of the best ones in the nfl.

We were good for 3-5 plays a game from the super Jumbo package and those are the situations I am talking about. Miller is good but he isn't physically superior to everyone he is going up against like Okoye would be. He still is a long shot but If he wanted to make an impact soon his best chance is in those jumbo packages

i think we could use him sparingly there, but he is going to play and practice to be a de

i hope with all our late rounders and udfa, especially him, we told them "you guys will get a chance to compete and earn a spot, but if you dont we would like to keep you on the practice squad for next year"
we dont have many spots this year. but we have a lot of free agents next year
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48 1/2ers wrote:
Forge wrote:
48 1/2ers wrote:
Forge wrote:
48 1/2ers wrote:
I don't think we plan to use Okoye as a DE at all, but a fullback? It is a hell of a lot easier to develop technique for fullback than it is for DE or DT. We have in the past used Demarcus Dobbs, Sopoaga, Tukalufu, Kilgore. Okoye has some experience running with a rugby ball (they hold it so awkwardly), he would be faster and bigger than any player Harbs has had before. I really do think he makes the 53 man roster. Bruce Miller better stay on your toes.


I know what you mean, but I feel like that would be a bit of a waste; Miller is basically a probowl fullback already to me. I think he's that good and it's only a matter of time before he gets that recognition. While it may be harder to develop him into someone on the defensive line, it also represents higher value to the team in a long term perspective I think. To me there's no reason to try him at fullback when you basically only need one and we already have one of the best ones in the nfl.

We were good for 3-5 plays a game from the super Jumbo package and those are the situations I am talking about. Miller is good but he isn't physically superior to everyone he is going up against like Okoye would be. He still is a long shot but If he wanted to make an impact soon his best chance is in those jumbo packages


Oh, if that's all we are talking about, then i would absolutely agree. Curious, anyone know about Okoye's speed? one of the things that always bugged me when we put in those bigger guys was that they (and the offensive line) weren't getting a great push; I always thought that was because the guys we used (soap, etc), just lacked a great initial burst off the line offensively or defensively. The concept was sound, but I think you really want to put someone in there that is big and strong like that, but has a very good initial step/explosion.

His fastest 40 was a 4.78 his shuttle was a 4.38 Shocked Thats faster than Mingo, Lemonier, Ertz, Vance McD, and same as Knile Davis. Then he had a 10'5 broad jump and a 35"[/b] vertical


That is insane..it'll definitely be interesting where the teams tries to play him. But I could see it being on both sides of the ball.
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Yeah, the numbers for Okoye are dazzling, and why lots of fans were willing to select him in the 5th-7th rds. A rare FB role in games would be interesting, but I just don't know (doubt) that we will be able to put him on the active 46 for any regular season week.
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Kind of a long interview but if you want to hear more about his work ethic and background its good.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XYJdODBYTns&feature=youtu.be

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(asked about his 40) I've ran very quick times, 4.5 times here at my training facility.

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Walter Stewart has not signed with a team yet. I wonder if his injury was more debilitating than first thought?
Oh, and crazy measurables for the Brit. Poor guy will be pissing in a bottle every week for Goodell...
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Walter Stewart has not signed with a team yet. I wonder if his injury was more debilitating than first thought?
Oh, and crazy measurables for the Brit. Poor guy will be pissing in a bottle every week for Goodell...


last i read, he was thinking about what he wanted to do


so he "retired", then "came back" and did his pro day, and now hes contemplating if its worth it
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48 1/2ers wrote:
Forge wrote:
48 1/2ers wrote:
I don't think we plan to use Okoye as a DE at all, but a fullback? It is a hell of a lot easier to develop technique for fullback than it is for DE or DT. We have in the past used Demarcus Dobbs, Sopoaga, Tukalufu, Kilgore. Okoye has some experience running with a rugby ball (they hold it so awkwardly), he would be faster and bigger than any player Harbs has had before. I really do think he makes the 53 man roster. Bruce Miller better stay on your toes.


I know what you mean, but I feel like that would be a bit of a waste; Miller is basically a probowl fullback already to me. I think he's that good and it's only a matter of time before he gets that recognition. While it may be harder to develop him into someone on the defensive line, it also represents higher value to the team in a long term perspective I think. To me there's no reason to try him at fullback when you basically only need one and we already have one of the best ones in the nfl.


We were good for 3-5 plays a game from the super Jumbo package and those are the situations I am talking about. Miller is good but he isn't physically superior to everyone he is going up against like Okoye would be. He still is a long shot but If he wanted to make an impact soon his best chance is in those jumbo packages


But those guys were big-body D-linneme first. we just used them in the jumbo. They weren't specialists who only came in as "the jumbo FB" a few plays a game. Miller is already one of the best FBs in the game. There simply is very little room for improvement at that position. I'm guessing we'll try him there. But I think he's going to have to learn how to play d-line if he wants to make the team.

If he could beaga out Miiller at FB, then great. We get an upgrade at FB and can trade Miller for a future pick (4th or 5th?).
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Forge wrote:
48 1/2ers wrote:
Forge wrote:
48 1/2ers wrote:
I don't think we plan to use Okoye as a DE at all, but a fullback? It is a hell of a lot easier to develop technique for fullback than it is for DE or DT. We have in the past used Demarcus Dobbs, Sopoaga, Tukalufu, Kilgore. Okoye has some experience running with a rugby ball (they hold it so awkwardly), he would be faster and bigger than any player Harbs has had before. I really do think he makes the 53 man roster. Bruce Miller better stay on your toes.


I know what you mean, but I feel like that would be a bit of a waste; Miller is basically a probowl fullback already to me. I think he's that good and it's only a matter of time before he gets that recognition. While it may be harder to develop him into someone on the defensive line, it also represents higher value to the team in a long term perspective I think. To me there's no reason to try him at fullback when you basically only need one and we already have one of the best ones in the nfl.

We were good for 3-5 plays a game from the super Jumbo package and those are the situations I am talking about. Miller is good but he isn't physically superior to everyone he is going up against like Okoye would be. He still is a long shot but If he wanted to make an impact soon his best chance is in those jumbo packages


Oh, if that's all we are talking about, then i would absolutely agree. Curious, anyone know about Okoye's speed? one of the things that always bugged me when we put in those bigger guys was that they (and the offensive line) weren't getting a great push; I always thought that was because the guys we used (soap, etc), just lacked a great initial burst off the line offensively or defensively. The concept was sound, but I think you really want to put someone in there that is big and strong like that, but has a very good initial step/explosion.


A big +1. I think our "jumbo pacckage" is pretty much a waste. The theory is that those big guys can drive guys off the line. But in practice all it does it bunch up several tons of beef at the los and there are rarely many holes to run through. Even the lbs and dbs come crashing in since they hae little ersponsibiity to cover receivers.

I think it's time to just give up on the jumbo.
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