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CornOnDaCobb


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PostPosted: Mon Apr 29, 2013 4:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Offense

QB: Aaron Rodgers, BJ Coleman (2) (2)
RB: Eddie Lacy, Dajuan Harris, Jonathan Franklin (3) (5)
FB: John Kuhn (1) (6)
WR: Jordy Nelson, Randall Cobb, James Jones, Jarret Boykin, Charles Johnson (5) (11)
TE: Jermicheal Finley, DJ Williams, Andrew Quarless, Ryan Taylor (4) (15)
OT: Derrick Sherrod, Bryan Bulaga, Marshall Newhouse, David Bakhtiari (4) (19)
OG: TJ Lang, Josh Sitton, Don Barclay (3) (22)
C: Evan Dietrich Smith, J.C. Tretter (2) (24)

Defense

DE: Ryan Pickett, Datone Jones, CJ Wilson, Mike Neal, Mike Daniels, Josh Boyd (6) (30)
NT: BJ Raji (1) (31)
OLB: Clay Matthews, Nick Perry, Dezman Moses, Nate Palmer (4) (35)
ILB: Desmond Bishop, AJ Hawk, Brad Jones, Terrell Manning, Robert Francois, Jamari Lattimore (6) (41)
CB: Tramon Williams, Sam Shields, Casey Hayward, Jarrett Bush, Davon House, Micah Hyde (6) (47)
S: Morgan Burnett, Jerron McMillan, MD Jennings (50)

LS: Brett Goode (1) (51)
K: Mason Crosby (1) (52)
P: Tim Masthay (1) (53)
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PostPosted: Tue May 07, 2013 3:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Offense:
QB- Rodgers, Coleman
RB- Lacy, Franklin, Harris, Green
FB- Kuhn
WR- Nelson, Jones, Cobb, Boykin, Johnson
TE/Hback- Finley, Taylor, Williams, Bostick, Stoneburner
LT- Bulaga, Sherrod
LG- Sitton
C- EDS, Tretter
RG- Lang, Bak
RT- Barclay, Datko

Defense:
LDE- Raji, Boyd
NT- Pickett
RDE- Jones, Neal, Daniels
LOLB- Perry, Palmer, Mulumba
ILB- Bishop, Jones, Hawk, Manning
ROLB- Matthews, Moses
CB- Shields, Williams, Hayward, House, Bush, Hyde
S- Burnett, McMillian, Jennings

Special Teams:
K- Crosby
P- Masthay
LS- Goode

PUP- Worthy

Practice Squad:
1- BJ Coleman - QB
2- Kevin Dorsey - WR
3- Lane Taylor - G
4- Sam Barrington - ILB
5- Patrick Lewis - C
6- Ben Erickson - S
7- Cedrik Moore - S
8- Gilbert Pena - DT

Is Van Roten eligible for the Practice Squad?
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PostPosted: Tue May 07, 2013 9:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't think he is (but I've been wrong on this before):

Quote:
(a) For the purposes of calculating Accrued Seasons under this Agreement, a player shall receive one Accrued Season for each season during which he was on, or should have been on, full pay status for a total of six or more regular season games, but which, irrespective of the player's pay status, shall not include games for which the player was on: (i) the Exempt Commissioner Permission List, (ii) the Reserve PUP List as a result of a nonfootball injury, or (iii) a Club's Practice Squad.

Based on that, Van Roten has 1 full accrued season.

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(a) The Practice Squad shall consist of the following players, provided that they have not served more than two previous seasons on a Practice Squad: (i) players who do not have an Accrued Season of NFL experience; and (ii) free agent players who were on the Active List for fewer than nine regular season games during their only Ac­crued Season(s). An otherwise eligible player may be a Practice Squad player for a third season only if the Club by which he is employed that season has at least 53 players on its Active/Inactive List during the entire period of his employment.

I have him at 11 games last year (PFR has him at 7, which doesn't count the games he was on the 53 but inactive).
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PostPosted: Sat May 11, 2013 9:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think the Packers will still add a veteran or two left on free agency or that may be cut come training camp on defense, but for those here right now I see it this way:

Offense:
QB(2)- Rodgers, Coleman
RB/FB(5)- Lacy, Franklin, Harris, Green, Kuhn
WR(5)- Nelson, Jones, Cobb, Johnson, Boykin, Ross
TE(5)- Finley, Quarless, Taylor, Mulligan, Bostick
OT(4)- Bulaga, Sherrod, Barclay, Datko (Newhouse if Sherrod not healthy)
OG/C(5)- Dietrich-Smith, Sitton, Lang, Tretter, Bahktiari


Defense:
DL(6)- Pickett, Raji, Neal, Jones, Wilson, Boyd
OLB(4)- Matthews, Perry, Moses, Palmer
LB(5)- Bishop, Jones, Hawk, Manning, Lattimore
CB(5)- Shields, Williams, Hayward, House, Hyde
S(4)- Burnett, McMillian, Jennings, Richardson

Special Teams:
K- Crosby
P- Masthay
LS- Goode

Practice Squad:
Defense: Mulumba, DL-TBD, Means, Cedrick Moore
Offense: Pease, Lewis, White, Stoneburner
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PostPosted: Sun May 12, 2013 7:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

pacnwpackfan wrote:
I think the Packers will still add a veteran or two left on free agency or that may be cut come training camp on defense, but for those here right now I see it this way:

Offense:
QB(2)- Rodgers, Coleman
RB/FB(5)- Lacy, Franklin, Harris, Green, Kuhn
WR(5)- Nelson, Jones, Cobb, Johnson, Boykin, Ross
TE(5)- Finley, Quarless, Taylor, Mulligan, Bostick
OT(4)- Bulaga, Sherrod, Barclay, Datko (Newhouse if Sherrod not healthy)
OG/C(5)- Dietrich-Smith, Sitton, Lang, Tretter, Bahktiari


Defense:
DL(6)- Pickett, Raji, Neal, Jones, Wilson, Boyd
OLB(4)- Matthews, Perry, Moses, Palmer
LB(5)- Bishop, Jones, Hawk, Manning, Lattimore
CB(5)- Shields, Williams, Hayward, House, Hyde
S(4)- Burnett, McMillian, Jennings, Richardson

Special Teams:
K- Crosby
P- Masthay
LS- Goode

Practice Squad:
Defense: Mulumba, DL-TBD, Means, Cedrick Moore
Offense: Pease, Lewis, White, Stoneburner


I agree with that. Someone will get cut around June 1st or something like that and we'll pick them up, doesn't necessarily mean they'll make the team however.

Also, I don't see Newhouse getting cut, I know everyone wants him gone, like we wanted Bush gone a few years ago, but I don't see why we'd cut a starting Tackle when we're not really sure who will replace him, even if Bak has a very strong camp. Same thing with DJ Williams, Quarless would get cut before him simply because of how the injury affected him. I'd like to think the rest of this is pretty spot on. Also, you have 6 WR's not 5. We'll likely keep only 5.
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PostPosted: Mon May 13, 2013 12:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

justo wrote:
JBURGE25 wrote:
justo wrote:
(25)
QB-Aaron Rodgers, Graham Harrell
RB-Eddie Lacy, Johnathan Franklin, DuJuan Harris
FB-John Kuhn
WR-Jordy Nelson, James Jones, Randall Cobb, Charles Johnson, Kevin Dorsey, Jeremy Ross
TE-Jermichael Finley, Matthew Mulligan, Ryan Taylor, D.J. Williams
OT-Bryan Bulaga, Derek Sherrod, Marshall Newhouse, Don Barclay
OG-Josh Sitton, T.J. Lang, David Bakhtiari
OC-Evan Dietrich-Smith, J.C. Tretter
(25)
DE-Ryan Pickett, Datone Jones, Mike Neal, Jerel Worthy, Mike Daniels, Josh Boyd
NT-B.J. Raji
OLB-Clay Matthews, Nick Perry, Dezman Moses, Nate Palmer
ILB-Desmond Bishop, A.J. Hawk, Brad Jones, Terrell Manning, Robert Francois
CB-Tramon Williams, Sam Shields, Casey Hayward, Davon House, Micah Hyde
S-Morgan Burnett, M.D. Jennings, Jerron McMillian, Jarrett Bush
(3)
K-Mason Crosby
P-Tim Masthay
LS-Brett Goode

No Boykin? Confused
What's the difference between this year's WR corp and last year's when Jennings was hurt? All he's got is more competition. Ross has at least shown flashes in the return game.


I feel ya, but the Packers drafted two athletes with return ability in Franklin and Hyde and have a few others that can fill as well if they want to take Cobb out of that spot. Should also be said that there are some contracts about to run dry at WR. Good chance this staff will see Boykin as the 3rd in line to play out wide early on. I'm one that feels the future is bright for the kid though. I look for big things in year two. I for one sure as hell hold more stock in Boykin at this point than I do both Ross and Dorsey. I doubt I would cut Johnson for him. But should one of our big bodies go down early on I would feel much better about Boykin being out there.
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PostPosted: Mon May 13, 2013 12:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

TheGreatZepp wrote:
Unanimous that Mike Daniels makes the roster?

I guess that means I will be referring to Daniels as being a surprise cut. Which I believe he will be.

Nose Tackle
B.J. Raji

Combo 3-Down DE
Mike Neal
Jerel Worthy

2-Down Stuffer
Ryan Pickett
C.J. Wilson
Josh Boyd
Johnny Jolly

Situational Pass Rusher
Datone Jones (role as a rookie)
Mike Daniels
Jordan Miller


Obviously Raji is the safe bet and is the lone full NT on the roster, that leaves settling the DE's and their five spots with slim odds of six. Neal can pressure and play the run, as long as he's healthy he should be safe. Same can be said for Worthy, though he may start on the PUP. When it comes to playing the run, the defense calls for two stuffers to line up on either side of Raji in goal line and on early downs. This is a four horse race, Pickett, Wilson, Jolly and Boyd. Pickett's shown to be a great rock on the line but is this the year to soon rather then year too late move? Over $6 million in savings could be in play here but he remains the only player able to backup Raji. I believe he'll be back but strong showings by others could make the decision difficult. Wilson has been durable and the last couple years has shown to be the best candidate to take over as run stuffing cog, Boyd is an addition that will need to develop to compete for that role. Also in the race is Jolly who once was very formidable as a run stuffer. The defense then has room for guys whose job is getting after the QB, I only see one spot given the reps available and between Datone Jones(who will be situational as a rookie) and Daniels. Daniels struggled in limited reps last year with minimal upside in this defense



I see the defensive line six being
Raji
Jones
Neal
Worthy [PUP] replacement Wilson
Pickett
Boyd

That leaves Jolly, Daniels and Miller on the outside looking in. Jolly if he surprises could not only bump Wilson but possibly Pickett. Daniels, I struggle to see any role for him on the roster, what he had will be taken by Jones and then some. Jordan Miller will be in the mix with another camp body or two for a spot on the practice squad.

As I started this post as a reply to Daniels being a unanimous pick to make the roster, I want to focus a bit on him. The Packers keep six lineman, the value isn't there to keep seven, particularly with the proficiency of the 2-man line. No teams value to be found with keeping an extra and long term injuries will be placed on IR. The defense needs two power pig DE's, after that they want some combo guys who pressure in base and in rotation in nickel. These guys are Neal and Worthy if healthy, both are valuable diverse talents. With one roster spot remaining, there's still a room for a guy with rare pass rushing talents who can come in a situational role to crash the pocket, that guy however is Datone Jones, with promise to develop into a complete DE down the road, Jones begins his career as a situational rusher.


I felt Daniels was the 2nd best Tampa2 3-tech is last years draft class after Cox. Now I would not fight you on Daniels being less than ideal for this Capers D. What I would say though is the kids a very fine interior pass rushing prospect at a time in the league where there is a premium on the position. I for one would love to keep Daniels in Green Bay until he needs paid. I'm sure I could find reps for the man. That said, if they for some reason feel they want to move on from him I'm just about sure there would be a trade market for the young man. That would be a very, VERY tough cut for me! Not as if they did not know he was a less than ideal system fit when they used that 4th on him!

Some La'Roi Glover in that boy though. The team that drafted him gave up a bit too soon also! Just sayin. I would hate to see him sporting a Vikes or Bears jersey. Good chance it would happen with that cut as well. Great fit, and they have seen him up close.
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PostPosted: Mon May 13, 2013 9:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm curious as to why people think Daniels struggled last year. I thought he was very good last year when he got his chances and he was healthy.
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PostPosted: Mon May 13, 2013 10:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

ugLymayNe wrote:
wisportsfan4 wrote:
No DuJuan Harris?? Shocked


I could see it. It's down to Green/Harris for me and I think when healthy Green is a better player. Harris struggles in pass pro & is only useful on 3rd downs out of the backfield. I think Green might make the team because of that alone.


Harris is much better than Green. What has Green ever done?
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PostPosted: Mon May 13, 2013 1:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

palmy50 wrote:
I felt Daniels was the 2nd best Tampa2 3-tech is last years draft class after Cox.
As a UT?
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PostPosted: Mon May 13, 2013 2:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I distinctly remember saying to myself last year that Daniels seemed to be making more plays than Worthy
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SDN40 wrote:
I distinctly remember saying to myself last year that Daniels seemed to be making more plays than Worthy


Yeah. Daniels seemed to be more active. According to PFF in 170 pass rush snaps for Daniels he had 2 sacks, 3 hits, 7 hurries. For Worthy he had 314 pass rush snaps and 3 sacks, 1 hit, 5 hurries. Getting Perry back and adding Datone will be huge for our pass rush.
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PostPosted: Mon May 13, 2013 2:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I Am Rodgers wrote:
SDN40 wrote:
I distinctly remember saying to myself last year that Daniels seemed to be making more plays than Worthy


Yeah. Daniels seemed to be more active. According to PFF in 170 pass rush snaps for Daniels he had 2 sacks, 3 hits, 7 hurries. For Worthy he had 314 pass rush snaps and 3 sacks, 1 hit, 5 hurries. Getting Perry back and adding Datone will be huge for our pass rush.


It hilps out Daniels and Worthy that much more too
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Offense:
QB- Rodgers, Coleman
RB- Lacy, Franklin, Harris, Kuhn
WR- Nelson, Jones, Cobb, Boykin, Johnson, Ross
TE- Finley, Taylor, Williams, quarless
OL- Bulaga, Sherrod, Sitton, EDS, Tretter, Lang, Bak, Barclay, Newhouse

Defense:
LDE- Raji, Boyd, wilson, Pickett, Jones, Neal, Daniels
LOLB- Perry, Palmer
ILB- Bishop, Jones, Hawk, Manning, Francois
ROLB- Matthews, Moses
CB- Shields, Williams, Hayward, House, Hyde
S- Burnett, McMillian, Jennings, Richardson

Special Teams:
K- Crosby
P- Masthay
LS- Goode


lots of shockers this year IMO

I think Worthy starts on the PUP (possibly hitting IR if the current DL holds up)

I see guys like Datko, Pease, Dorsey, powell, stonebrenner, van roten, Brown, barrington & 1 other not currently on the team making the PS
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NCPackFan wrote:
I'm curious as to why people think Daniels struggled last year. I thought he was very good last year when he got his chances and he was healthy.


No clue? Long list of players I would cut before Daniels though. Even more so when under contract on the cheap for the next three. And yes, man got much better later on. Had labrum surgery in January and that harness can play hell on a mans game. That shoulder was the only reason he fell some on draft day though. Kids a damn good football player. We always ask lineman coming out what player they felt was the best they played in college. Can't tell ya how many of those Big10 kids listed Daniels that year. Very telling though when ya hear the same name over and over. Would be different if his game did not translate but that's not the case here. Kid won his one on ones all year.

I for one would love to see him head up on the center every now and again the same way the Cowboys have used their undersized pass rushing NT's in years past. Sure would bring ya a different look out there after dealing with Raji on an angle all game. Would love to see a sub package with Jones, Daniels, Neal. Can't live there, but they sure could make a little noise from time to time. Very few centers can pass pro a Daniels one on one. Might get a bad snap or two out of it as well.
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