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Kampman74


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PostPosted: Sun Apr 28, 2013 7:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

DavidatMIZZOU wrote:
How much progression does Coleman need to show for us to replace Harrell? In the limited preseason exposure, he looked just as bad. Although Rodgers, Brohm,Flynn and Harrell all looked pretty bad as rookies too.


Make a couple of the more basic throws in Macs playbook and lead a few TD drives in pre-season. I think that you are going to see Coleman and Harrell rotate in the backup spot throughout pre-season (ala Brohm and Flynn in their second or was it third year) and whoever does more with their chance gets the spot.
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(25)
QB-Aaron Rodgers, Graham Harrell
RB-Eddie Lacy, Johnathan Franklin, DuJuan Harris
FB-John Kuhn
WR-Jordy Nelson, James Jones, Randall Cobb, Charles Johnson, Kevin Dorsey, Jeremy Ross
TE-Jermichael Finley, Matthew Mulligan, Ryan Taylor, D.J. Williams
OT-Bryan Bulaga, Derek Sherrod, Marshall Newhouse, Don Barclay
OG-Josh Sitton, T.J. Lang, David Bakhtiari
OC-Evan Dietrich-Smith, J.C. Tretter
(25)
DE-Ryan Pickett, Datone Jones, Mike Neal, Jerel Worthy, Mike Daniels, Josh Boyd
NT-B.J. Raji
OLB-Clay Matthews, Nick Perry, Dezman Moses, Nate Palmer
ILB-Desmond Bishop, A.J. Hawk, Brad Jones, Terrell Manning, Robert Francois
CB-Tramon Williams, Sam Shields, Casey Hayward, Davon House, Micah Hyde
S-Morgan Burnett, M.D. Jennings, Jerron McMillian, Jarrett Bush
(3)
K-Mason Crosby
P-Tim Masthay
LS-Brett Goode
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 28, 2013 8:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

justo wrote:
(25)
QB-Aaron Rodgers, Graham Harrell
RB-Eddie Lacy, Johnathan Franklin, DuJuan Harris
FB-John Kuhn
WR-Jordy Nelson, James Jones, Randall Cobb, Charles Johnson, Kevin Dorsey, Jeremy Ross
TE-Jermichael Finley, Matthew Mulligan, Ryan Taylor, D.J. Williams
OT-Bryan Bulaga, Derek Sherrod, Marshall Newhouse, Don Barclay
OG-Josh Sitton, T.J. Lang, David Bakhtiari
OC-Evan Dietrich-Smith, J.C. Tretter
(25)
DE-Ryan Pickett, Datone Jones, Mike Neal, Jerel Worthy, Mike Daniels, Josh Boyd
NT-B.J. Raji
OLB-Clay Matthews, Nick Perry, Dezman Moses, Nate Palmer
ILB-Desmond Bishop, A.J. Hawk, Brad Jones, Terrell Manning, Robert Francois
CB-Tramon Williams, Sam Shields, Casey Hayward, Davon House, Micah Hyde
S-Morgan Burnett, M.D. Jennings, Jerron McMillian, Jarrett Bush
(3)
K-Mason Crosby
P-Tim Masthay
LS-Brett Goode

No Boykin? Confused
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 28, 2013 8:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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justo wrote:
(25)
QB-Aaron Rodgers, Graham Harrell
RB-Eddie Lacy, Johnathan Franklin, DuJuan Harris
FB-John Kuhn
WR-Jordy Nelson, James Jones, Randall Cobb, Charles Johnson, Kevin Dorsey, Jeremy Ross
TE-Jermichael Finley, Matthew Mulligan, Ryan Taylor, D.J. Williams
OT-Bryan Bulaga, Derek Sherrod, Marshall Newhouse, Don Barclay
OG-Josh Sitton, T.J. Lang, David Bakhtiari
OC-Evan Dietrich-Smith, J.C. Tretter
(25)
DE-Ryan Pickett, Datone Jones, Mike Neal, Jerel Worthy, Mike Daniels, Josh Boyd
NT-B.J. Raji
OLB-Clay Matthews, Nick Perry, Dezman Moses, Nate Palmer
ILB-Desmond Bishop, A.J. Hawk, Brad Jones, Terrell Manning, Robert Francois
CB-Tramon Williams, Sam Shields, Casey Hayward, Davon House, Micah Hyde
S-Morgan Burnett, M.D. Jennings, Jerron McMillian, Jarrett Bush
(3)
K-Mason Crosby
P-Tim Masthay
LS-Brett Goode

No Boykin? Confused
What's the difference between this year's WR corp and last year's when Jennings was hurt? All he's got is more competition. Ross has at least shown flashes in the return game.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 28, 2013 8:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kampman74 wrote:
DavidatMIZZOU wrote:
How much progression does Coleman need to show for us to replace Harrell? In the limited preseason exposure, he looked just as bad. Although Rodgers, Brohm,Flynn and Harrell all looked pretty bad as rookies too.


Make a couple of the more basic throws in Macs playbook and lead a few TD drives in pre-season. I think that you are going to see Coleman and Harrell rotate in the backup spot throughout pre-season (ala Brohm and Flynn in their second or was it third year) and whoever does more with their chance gets the spot.


The 2 biggest things between Coleman and the #2 job are his footwork (should be easy for Mac to correct given enough time) and his composure in the pocket (much harder to improve on).

I know it sounds ridiculous when we are talking about Harrell as the competition, but that's the truth. Coleman has a lot of arm talent, but he needs to be able to stand tall in the pocket, make the throw and take the hit if he wants that job. We all know Harrell can stand in the pocket and take a hit... or 10 Laughing.

I feel fine about the entire situation knowing that if Rodgers were to go down for a substantial amount of time they would bring in a seasoned veteran to lead the offense.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 28, 2013 8:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

justo wrote:
JBURGE25 wrote:
justo wrote:
(25)
QB-Aaron Rodgers, Graham Harrell
RB-Eddie Lacy, Johnathan Franklin, DuJuan Harris
FB-John Kuhn
WR-Jordy Nelson, James Jones, Randall Cobb, Charles Johnson, Kevin Dorsey, Jeremy Ross
TE-Jermichael Finley, Matthew Mulligan, Ryan Taylor, D.J. Williams
OT-Bryan Bulaga, Derek Sherrod, Marshall Newhouse, Don Barclay
OG-Josh Sitton, T.J. Lang, David Bakhtiari
OC-Evan Dietrich-Smith, J.C. Tretter
(25)
DE-Ryan Pickett, Datone Jones, Mike Neal, Jerel Worthy, Mike Daniels, Josh Boyd
NT-B.J. Raji
OLB-Clay Matthews, Nick Perry, Dezman Moses, Nate Palmer
ILB-Desmond Bishop, A.J. Hawk, Brad Jones, Terrell Manning, Robert Francois
CB-Tramon Williams, Sam Shields, Casey Hayward, Davon House, Micah Hyde
S-Morgan Burnett, M.D. Jennings, Jerron McMillian, Jarrett Bush
(3)
K-Mason Crosby
P-Tim Masthay
LS-Brett Goode

No Boykin? Confused
What's the difference between this year's WR corp and last year's when Jennings was hurt? All he's got is more competition. Ross has at least shown flashes in the return game.


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PostPosted: Sun Apr 28, 2013 8:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

IrishGreen wrote:
DavidatMIZZOU wrote:
How much progression does Coleman need to show for us to replace Harrell? In the limited preseason exposure, he looked just as bad. Although Rodgers, Brohm,Flynn and Harrell all looked pretty bad as rookies too.


i think most people are projecting that he'll have made big enough strides over the year to replace harrell. his arm is 100x better too.

kind of wish we could just find a veteran off the street who's knows his role as a backup and is happy doing it for the next 5-6 years.


I think that mystery QB is Harrell. Too bad he's horribad.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 28, 2013 8:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

DavidatMIZZOU wrote:
IrishGreen wrote:
DavidatMIZZOU wrote:
How much progression does Coleman need to show for us to replace Harrell? In the limited preseason exposure, he looked just as bad. Although Rodgers, Brohm,Flynn and Harrell all looked pretty bad as rookies too.


i think most people are projecting that he'll have made big enough strides over the year to replace harrell. his arm is 100x better too.

kind of wish we could just find a veteran off the street who's knows his role as a backup and is happy doing it for the next 5-6 years.


I think that mystery QB is Harrell. Too bad he's horribad.


yea Sad
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 28, 2013 11:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

QB: Rodgers, Coleman (2)
RB: Lacy, Franklin, Green, Kuhn (4)
WR: Nelson, Jones, Cobb, Boykin, Ross, Johnson/Dorsey(one of these two goes to the PS...) (6)
TE: Finley, Mulligan, Quarless, Williams (4)
OT- Sherrod, Bulaga, Newhouse, Barclay (4)
OG- Lang, Sitton, Bakhtiari (3)
OC- EDS, Tretter (2)
(25 on offense)

DE- Pickett, Jones, Neal, Daniels, Boyd (5)
NT- Raji (1)
OLB- Perry, Matthews, Moses, Palmer (4)
LB- Hawk, Bishop, Manning, Francois (4)
Tweener- Jones (1)
CB- Williams, Shields, Hayward, House, Bush (5)
S- Burnett, McMillian, Jennings, Richardson (4)
Tweener-Hyde (1)
(25 on defense)

ST- Goode, Crosby, Masthay (3)

PUP-
Worthy.

When he comes off PUP, cut either Francois or Richardson. Or replace one of them with him if he does indeed come back in time for training camp.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 28, 2013 11:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

justo wrote:
(25)
QB-Aaron Rodgers, Graham Harrell
RB-Eddie Lacy, Johnathan Franklin, DuJuan Harris
FB-John Kuhn
WR-Jordy Nelson, James Jones, Randall Cobb, Charles Johnson, Kevin Dorsey, Jeremy Ross
TE-Jermichael Finley, Matthew Mulligan, Ryan Taylor, D.J. Williams
OT-Bryan Bulaga, Derek Sherrod, Marshall Newhouse, Don Barclay
OG-Josh Sitton, T.J. Lang, David Bakhtiari
OC-Evan Dietrich-Smith, J.C. Tretter
(25)
DE-Ryan Pickett, Datone Jones, Mike Neal, Jerel Worthy, Mike Daniels, Josh Boyd
NT-B.J. Raji
OLB-Clay Matthews, Nick Perry, Dezman Moses, Nate Palmer
ILB-Desmond Bishop, A.J. Hawk, Brad Jones, Terrell Manning, Robert Francois
CB-Tramon Williams, Sam Shields, Casey Hayward, Davon House, Micah Hyde
S-Morgan Burnett, M.D. Jennings, Jerron McMillian, Jarrett Bush
(3)
K-Mason Crosby
P-Tim Masthay
LS-Brett Goode


I like it, but I'd probably make a few changes.

1) Ryan Grant over Kevin Dorsey (practice squad). Just think Ted will want to keep a veteran back to mentor the young guys ala DD- especially one that knows the system in case of injury.

2) Quarless over Mulligan. Not sure why you're giving up on him yet. He's the best receiving tight end we have after J-Mike.

3) No CJ Wilson? Shaun Richardson may have a good chance at safety. I know the coaches love him on special teams. Jarrett Boykin at WR, too. But Ross may prove his worth on returns again.
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ugLymayNe wrote:
QB: Rodgers, Coleman (2)
RB: Lacy, Franklin, Green, Kuhn (4)
WR: Nelson, Jones, Cobb, Boykin, Ross, Johnson, Dorsey (6)
TE: Finley, Mulligan, Quarless, Williams (4)
OT- Sherrod, Bulaga, Newhouse, Barclay (4)
OG- Lang, Sitton, Bakhtiari (3)
OC- EDS, Tretter (2)
(25 on offense)

DE- Pickett, Jones, Neal, Daniels, Boyd (5)
NT- Raji (1)
OLB- Perry, Matthews, Moses, Palmer (4)
LB- Hawk, Bishop, Manning, Francois (4)
Tweener- Jones (1)
CB- Williams, Shields, Hayward, House, Bush (5)
S- Burnett, McMillian, Jennings, Richardson (4)
Tweener-Hyde (1)
(25 on defense)

ST- Goode, Crosby, Masthay (3)

PUP-
Worthy.

When he comes off PUP, cut either Francois or Richardson. Or replace one of them with him if he does indeed come back in time for training camp.


No DuJuan Harris?? Shocked
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No DuJuan Harris?? Shocked


I could see it. It's down to Green/Harris for me and I think when healthy Green is a better player. Harris struggles in pass pro & is only useful on 3rd downs out of the backfield. I think Green might make the team because of that alone.
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ugLymayNe wrote:
wisportsfan4 wrote:
No DuJuan Harris?? Shocked


I could see it. It's down to Green/Harris for me and I think when healthy Green is a better player. Harris struggles in pass pro & is only useful on 3rd downs out of the backfield. I think Green might make the team because of that alone.


Nah, you don't cut the best proven runner on the team in lieu of a guy with good measurables. If anything, you slide Green over to the H-Back position and cut Williams or Taylor. We keep Harris, unless TT and McCarthy think they are going to get cute and back peddle on the idea that we are going to have a stronger running game. Harris is better right now than Franklin and we aren't going to cut Franklin right away. Harris is going to be a really good back in the NFL, you can just see it. He has the vision, shiftiness and the compact size that is going to give defenses trouble. You don't cut that when you find it, you let it run it's course.

There is a spot for Harris, Green, Franklin and Lacy on the team. The people that should be concerned are Kuhn, Taylor and Williams.
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Unanimous that Mike Daniels makes the roster?

I guess that means I will be referring to Daniels as being a surprise cut. Which I believe he will be.

Nose Tackle
B.J. Raji

Combo 3-Down DE
Mike Neal
Jerel Worthy

2-Down Stuffer
Ryan Pickett
C.J. Wilson
Josh Boyd
Johnny Jolly

Situational Pass Rusher
Datone Jones (role as a rookie)
Mike Daniels
Jordan Miller


Obviously Raji is the safe bet and is the lone full NT on the roster, that leaves settling the DE's and their five spots with slim odds of six. Neal can pressure and play the run, as long as he's healthy he should be safe. Same can be said for Worthy, though he may start on the PUP. When it comes to playing the run, the defense calls for two stuffers to line up on either side of Raji in goal line and on early downs. This is a four horse race, Pickett, Wilson, Jolly and Boyd. Pickett's shown to be a great rock on the line but is this the year to soon rather then year too late move? Over $6 million in savings could be in play here but he remains the only player able to backup Raji. I believe he'll be back but strong showings by others could make the decision difficult. Wilson has been durable and the last couple years has shown to be the best candidate to take over as run stuffing cog, Boyd is an addition that will need to develop to compete for that role. Also in the race is Jolly who once was very formidable as a run stuffer. The defense then has room for guys whose job is getting after the QB, I only see one spot given the reps available and between Datone Jones(who will be situational as a rookie) and Daniels. Daniels struggled in limited reps last year with minimal upside in this defense



I see the defensive line six being
Raji
Jones
Neal
Worthy [PUP] replacement Wilson
Pickett
Boyd

That leaves Jolly, Daniels and Miller on the outside looking in. Jolly if he surprises could not only bump Wilson but possibly Pickett. Daniels, I struggle to see any role for him on the roster, what he had will be taken by Jones and then some. Jordan Miller will be in the mix with another camp body or two for a spot on the practice squad.

As I started this post as a reply to Daniels being a unanimous pick to make the roster, I want to focus a bit on him. The Packers keep six lineman, the value isn't there to keep seven, particularly with the proficiency of the 2-man line. No teams value to be found with keeping an extra and long term injuries will be placed on IR. The defense needs two power pig DE's, after that they want some combo guys who pressure in base and in rotation in nickel. These guys are Neal and Worthy if healthy, both are valuable diverse talents. With one roster spot remaining, there's still a room for a guy with rare pass rushing talents who can come in a situational role to crash the pocket, that guy however is Datone Jones, with promise to develop into a complete DE down the road, Jones begins his career as a situational rusher.
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Kampman74 wrote:
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Contrary to popular belief, I don't see us as deep at CB though I could definitely appreciate the argument. Reminder: we're looking at two guys with the same shoulder injury which killed one of their careers and be that observation, it seriously jeopardizes the career of the other...



It is Tramon and who is the other one?


House. Obviously you have to be concerned about both given what happened after the first shoulder injury. One career went south ergo, you have to be concerned about the other...

Also, if Hyde is so bad, why pick him over Poyer?
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