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PostPosted: Sat Apr 27, 2013 6:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

PatriotsWin! wrote:
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How to pronounce his name?

Bow - Har - Nay ?
Kiper is calling him "Bow-harness"

Probably strictly a special teamer.


hmm, maybe a potential replacement for Tracy White


That was my first though. Like White, he's probably not a guy you want playing LB but in a pinch he can backup both ILB and OLB. Fundamentally, he's very sound. More downhill than White.

Probably camp fodder/practice squad guy but that's true of everyone picked in the 5th-7th rounds.
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 27, 2013 6:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

He actually seems like good value. Just confusing as to why Belichick keeps going to the Rutgers well.
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 27, 2013 7:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Even Greg Sciano is saying "WTF, Bill?" at this point...
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patsfan06 wrote:
He actually seems like good value. Just confusing as to why Belichick keeps going to the Rutgers well.


He knows the system and probably is very comfortable projecting players from Rutgers into the Pats organization (not just in terms of X's and O's but in terms of off-field expectations, weight room expectations etc).

If you have two similarly graded guys, it makes total sense to take the guy from the school you trust.

Ryan and Beauharnais would have been on the Pats radar regardless of college IMO. Both of them fit what the Pats do and what they usually look for in those rounds of the draft.
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 27, 2013 7:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

mcmurtry86 wrote:
patsfan06 wrote:
He actually seems like good value. Just confusing as to why Belichick keeps going to the Rutgers well.


He knows the system and probably is very comfortable projecting players from Rutgers into the Pats organization (not just in terms of X's and O's but in terms of off-field expectations, weight room expectations etc).

If you have two similarly graded guys, it makes total sense to take the guy from the school you trust.

Ryan and Beauharnais would have been on the Pats radar regardless of college IMO. Both of them fit what the Pats do and what they usually look for in those rounds of the draft.


I think it also shows how much BB didn't like this draft. So he stuck with guys he knows have the right work ethic and makeup.
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patsfan06 wrote:
mcmurtry86 wrote:
patsfan06 wrote:
He actually seems like good value. Just confusing as to why Belichick keeps going to the Rutgers well.


He knows the system and probably is very comfortable projecting players from Rutgers into the Pats organization (not just in terms of X's and O's but in terms of off-field expectations, weight room expectations etc).

If you have two similarly graded guys, it makes total sense to take the guy from the school you trust.

Ryan and Beauharnais would have been on the Pats radar regardless of college IMO. Both of them fit what the Pats do and what they usually look for in those rounds of the draft.


I think it also shows how much BB didn't like this draft. So he stuck with guys he knows have the right work ethic and makeup.


Also a good point.

A lot of it with these guys from schools Belichick has connections to is that he trusts they have been well coached in fundamentals and he gets inside scoops on their dedication and coachability. Should that always take precedent over raw ability? No. But the draft is such a crapshoot that it makes sense to weigh that kind of thing heavily.

Once you get beyond the truly elite talents, most of these other guys are pretty close in ability. What makes some of them stars and others out of the league is in large part between their ears. Their personality, work ethic, football IQ and ability to retain and apply coaching concepts.
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mcmurtry86 wrote:
Also a good point.

A lot of it with these guys from schools Belichick has connections to is that he trusts they have been well coached in fundamentals and he gets inside scoops on their dedication and coachability. Should that always take precedent over raw ability? No. But the draft is such a crapshoot that it makes sense to weigh that kind of thing heavily.

Once you get beyond the truly elite talents, most of these other guys are pretty close in ability. What makes some of them stars and others out of the league is in large part between their ears. Their personality, work ethic, football IQ and ability to retain and apply coaching concepts.


After the disaster that was the 09 draft (spending 4-5 of our top picks on airheads and players with awful mental makeup) its hard to argue with that approach.
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Yeah very good points guys
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enough with the damn Rutgers already!
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24isthelaw wrote:
mcmurtry86 wrote:
Also a good point.

A lot of it with these guys from schools Belichick has connections to is that he trusts they have been well coached in fundamentals and he gets inside scoops on their dedication and coachability. Should that always take precedent over raw ability? No. But the draft is such a crapshoot that it makes sense to weigh that kind of thing heavily.

Once you get beyond the truly elite talents, most of these other guys are pretty close in ability. What makes some of them stars and others out of the league is in large part between their ears. Their personality, work ethic, football IQ and ability to retain and apply coaching concepts.


After the disaster that was the 09 draft (spending 4-5 of our top picks on airheads and players with awful mental makeup) its hard to argue with that approach.


Brace (ethic/coachability) and Butler (confidence/fragile) yes. Not sure Tate or Chung were guys with bad mental makeup.

Brace really sticks out as a guy who just doesn't fit what the Pats usually do in the draft. I somewhat understand why they took him but it's not a surprise at all that he didn't pan out.
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mcmurtry86 wrote:
24isthelaw wrote:
mcmurtry86 wrote:
Also a good point.

A lot of it with these guys from schools Belichick has connections to is that he trusts they have been well coached in fundamentals and he gets inside scoops on their dedication and coachability. Should that always take precedent over raw ability? No. But the draft is such a crapshoot that it makes sense to weigh that kind of thing heavily.

Once you get beyond the truly elite talents, most of these other guys are pretty close in ability. What makes some of them stars and others out of the league is in large part between their ears. Their personality, work ethic, football IQ and ability to retain and apply coaching concepts.


After the disaster that was the 09 draft (spending 4-5 of our top picks on airheads and players with awful mental makeup) its hard to argue with that approach.


Brace (ethic/coachability) and Butler (confidence/fragile) yes. Not sure Tate or Chung were guys with bad mental makeup.

Brace really sticks out as a guy who just doesn't fit what the Pats usually do in the draft. I somewhat understand why they took him but it's not a surprise at all that he didn't pan out.


I'd absolutely classify Chung that way. Despite a strong reputation for being a hard working guy, he never improved in coverage. Not only that, but while never learning how to cover better he regressed in aspects of the game he was once good at (supporting the run). No way a first in first out guy manages that kind of showing without some combination of lacking football IQ and being dumb as a rock.

Tate I suppose you're right. I think his problem was moreso that he wasn't very good to begin with. He never really had to run NFL routes in college, but at the same didn't have a gear of overwhelming speed to compensate for it.
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WHY DONT WE JUST SURRENDER OUR RIGHTS TO THE DRAFT AND JUST CALL RUTGERS OUR PRACTICE SQUAD.
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mcmurtry86 wrote:
24isthelaw wrote:
mcmurtry86 wrote:
Also a good point.

A lot of it with these guys from schools Belichick has connections to is that he trusts they have been well coached in fundamentals and he gets inside scoops on their dedication and coachability. Should that always take precedent over raw ability? No. But the draft is such a crapshoot that it makes sense to weigh that kind of thing heavily.

Once you get beyond the truly elite talents, most of these other guys are pretty close in ability. What makes some of them stars and others out of the league is in large part between their ears. Their personality, work ethic, football IQ and ability to retain and apply coaching concepts.


After the disaster that was the 09 draft (spending 4-5 of our top picks on airheads and players with awful mental makeup) its hard to argue with that approach.


Brace (ethic/coachability) and Butler (confidence/fragile) yes. Not sure Tate or Chung were guys with bad mental makeup.

Brace really sticks out as a guy who just doesn't fit what the Pats usually do in the draft. I somewhat understand why they took him but it's not a surprise at all that he didn't pan out.


Brace's Draft stock should thank B.J Raji for all that money.
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HOVA333 wrote:
mcmurtry86 wrote:
24isthelaw wrote:
mcmurtry86 wrote:
Also a good point.

A lot of it with these guys from schools Belichick has connections to is that he trusts they have been well coached in fundamentals and he gets inside scoops on their dedication and coachability. Should that always take precedent over raw ability? No. But the draft is such a crapshoot that it makes sense to weigh that kind of thing heavily.

Once you get beyond the truly elite talents, most of these other guys are pretty close in ability. What makes some of them stars and others out of the league is in large part between their ears. Their personality, work ethic, football IQ and ability to retain and apply coaching concepts.


After the disaster that was the 09 draft (spending 4-5 of our top picks on airheads and players with awful mental makeup) its hard to argue with that approach.


Brace (ethic/coachability) and Butler (confidence/fragile) yes. Not sure Tate or Chung were guys with bad mental makeup.

Brace really sticks out as a guy who just doesn't fit what the Pats usually do in the draft. I somewhat understand why they took him but it's not a surprise at all that he didn't pan out.


Brace's Draft stock should thank B.J Raji for all that money.

Brace had a good season the yr BJ Raji was suspended. I remember some thought Raji benefitted a lot from brace.
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Donut wrote:

Brace had a good season the yr BJ Raji was suspended. I remember some thought Raji benefitted a lot from brace.


That was the general consensus and probably what Belichick thought, along with if he worked well with Raji he should work well with Wilfork. In theory it all made a lot of sense he just simply wasn't an NFL caliber player.
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